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Title: Freedom these days...
Post by: Niemand on September 29, 2012, 06:40:18 pm
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That much to the american dream of freedom...
(Picture of one of the Eagles in the Zoo in Nuremberg)
Title: Re: Freedom these days...
Post by: Germanicus on September 29, 2012, 09:23:00 pm
yeah somekind of true
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Post by: Niemand on September 30, 2012, 12:52:53 am
These sad eyes... looking up to the sky... welcome to america world of capitalism. there is no place left for you, dear freedom! </3
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Post by: Herkkutatti666 on September 30, 2012, 12:54:11 am
5/5
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Post by: Arathian on September 30, 2012, 11:27:02 am
These sad eyes... looking up to the sky... welcome to america world of capitalism. there is no place left for you, dear freedom! </3

You know, for all the people saying capitalism ruins freedom, I can't think of another system that provided the freedom capitalism does.

Monarchism is inherently anti-democratic, so is fascism. Mercantilism was never in democratic states, but could be possible, I guess. Tribalism is neither democratic nor a "real" economic system anyway and communism...just lol.

Edit: that is not to say, of course, that there aren't capitalist dictatorships. I am however saying that there aren't any free non-capitalist countries. In essence, countries are dictatorships despite capitalism, not because of it.

To combat that, do something simple: link me a single free, democratic government that is not capitalist.
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Post by: Germanicus on September 30, 2012, 12:31:44 pm
You know, for all the people saying capitalism ruins freedom, I can't think of another system that provided the freedom capitalism does.

Monarchism is inherently anti-democratic, so is fascism. Mercantilism was never in democratic states, but could be possible, I guess. Tribalism is neither democratic nor a "real" economic system anyway and communism...just lol.

Edit: that is not to say, of course, that there aren't capitalist dictatorships. I am however saying that there aren't any free non-capitalist countries. In essence, countries are dictatorships despite capitalism, not because of it.

To combat that, do something simple: link me a single free, democratic government that is not capitalist.


try socialism like germany does
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Post by: Beauchamp on September 30, 2012, 12:45:38 pm
i'm afraid we saw a decline of true capitalism in last decades (generally in favor of socialism in eu and corporatism in us), thats the main problem and the reason why we loose freedom.
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Post by: Kafein on September 30, 2012, 12:54:31 pm
i'm afraid we saw a decline of true capitalism in last decades (generally in favor of socialism in eu and corporatism in us), thats the main problem and the reason why we loose freedom.

Pretty much this. Capitalism works very well as a way to provide the population with whatever it wants. But this is largely based on concurrence. When sectors where concurrence is possible (that is, not telecoms, electricity, public transportation...) are dominated by monopolies, it doesn't work as well.

Also, the will (or rather ignorant ideological principle) of transforming every goddamn sector into a market tends to destroy what capitalism really is about, and what the average joe thinks it is. Some sectors are as I said bound to create monopolies. In those cases, putting those businesses in private hands is stupid.
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Post by: Niemand on September 30, 2012, 01:35:36 pm
Ok... this discussion is not what I expected to appear... -.-
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Post by: LordBerenger on September 30, 2012, 01:51:49 pm
Ok... this discussion is not what I expected to appear... -.-

You expected to hear Anti-US shit instead? GG
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Post by: Ninja_Khorin on September 30, 2012, 01:57:10 pm
Complete freedom and capitalism does not exist. All laws hinder both.

I'm glad they don't exist.
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Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on September 30, 2012, 03:19:57 pm
You expected to hear Anti-US shit instead? GG
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Title: Re: Freedom these days...
Post by: Berserkadin on September 30, 2012, 03:21:19 pm
Well capitalism isn't about freeedom. It's about profit and economic growth first and foremost. "Freedom" is just a bullshit word when liberals use it. It's a system made for inequality, a small minority hoards of most of the wealth, playing out the rest against eachother. If humanity is to grow, evolve and prosper, capitalism is something that must be left behind, it's just a path of greed, blood and destruction.
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Post by: Niemand on September 30, 2012, 04:39:35 pm
You expected to hear Anti-US shit instead? GG
No I expected to hear Pro-US shit. :D
Title: Re: Freedom these days...
Post by: Niemand on September 30, 2012, 09:31:20 pm
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Go away! :O
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Post by: Arathian on September 30, 2012, 10:14:38 pm

try socialism like germany does

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhine_capitalism
You might want to read this article. It is about the economic system of the contemporary western Europe, including Germany.

Please do note the word "capitalism" in the title.
Title: Re: Freedom these days...
Post by: Niemand on October 01, 2012, 03:05:45 am
goddamnit. this is not about socialism or capitalism!

Its about freedom!

And freedom is dead, as this picture here proves:
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Post by: Tibe on October 01, 2012, 06:43:47 am
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Post by: Herkkutatti666 on October 01, 2012, 07:03:51 am
No more freedom in Germany than in America , you can't even say holocaust without getting charge if police would hear it nor even do research about it.
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Post by: Niemand on October 01, 2012, 02:30:51 pm
I am not comparing here, dear Morso.

Freedom in germany is gone since 1890 or something. there is no country left where you really are free. ;)
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Post by: Havoco on October 01, 2012, 02:57:31 pm
Niemand u are about 6000 years late.
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Post by: Herkkutatti666 on October 01, 2012, 03:41:00 pm
I though in America they only teach history to year 0 and that dinosaurs were on earth about 1950 years ago ??
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Post by: Niemand on October 01, 2012, 03:43:52 pm
They teach something except eating fastfood and being moronic in 'merica? :O
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Post by: Tibe on October 01, 2012, 04:45:36 pm
LOL. To be honest I expected a deep discussion about freedom and politics in this thread, but those got silenced. Now we are stuck with the usual Anti-American crap that normaly goes nowhere. Im no Pro-American either but ffs, that fastfood thing and mocking their educationsystem is just kinda old and getting boring.....
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Post by: Herkkutatti666 on October 01, 2012, 04:59:30 pm
It never gets old if they don't change :D
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Post by: Niemand on October 01, 2012, 05:03:06 pm
@Morso: where you are right... :D
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Post by: Germanicus on October 01, 2012, 10:52:21 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhine_capitalism
You might want to read this article. It is about the economic system of the contemporary western Europe, including Germany.

Please do note the word "capitalism" in the title.

well exactly we use social capitalism the thing is to target more the people who need help but doesnt say no to money ofc, we doesnt let people fall loosing their jobs like america does here they get instead an amount of money,free  flat,water,electricity etc to survive so they arnt int rouble etc until they find a job but the money depends on how long you r jobless the first months you get a very good amunt of money but if you dont search for work and stuff you get lesser until its  enough to survive and nothing more but still they have more as the people get what you do
Title: Re: Freedom these days...
Post by: Germanicus on October 01, 2012, 10:55:19 pm
No more freedom in Germany than in America , you can't even say holocaust without getting charge if police would hear it nor even do research about it.
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ok herk, there you r absolutly right but it aint the police its the majority, the population is like a teenager , damaged self esteem. but its getting better by time to time especialy now as the hate against arabs grows cause they destroy our culture and the people slowly realise " how here leaves something terrible wrong" because slowly the majority speaks turkish :/
Title: Re: Freedom these days...
Post by: Smoothrich on October 02, 2012, 02:17:39 am
I'm still free to tell your chocolate chip cookie ass to shut the fuck up
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on October 02, 2012, 03:16:32 am
Does America allow sex with animals?

If not.

Thats not freedom  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 02, 2012, 06:22:47 am
Does America allow sex with animals?


Some places in the Americas yes.
Title: Re: Freedom these days...
Post by: Havoco on October 02, 2012, 06:47:53 am
Does America allow sex with animals?

Apparently youve never seen super troopers
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Post by: Grumpy_Nic on October 02, 2012, 11:28:42 am
goddamnit. this is not about socialism or capitalism!

Its about freedom!

And freedom is dead, as this picture here proves:
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Erm... so is this eagle called freedom? Or why are you comparing freedom to a piece of dead meat? I know many countries have the eagle as their symbol inculding the one I live in. But you could give practical examples instead of posting imprisoned or dead birdies.
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Post by: Armpit_Sweat on October 02, 2012, 11:46:28 am
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Post by: Bazinga on October 02, 2012, 11:48:22 am
This thread contains a huge amount of fail...
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Post by: Tovi on October 02, 2012, 11:48:27 am
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He's free

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This one too
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Post by: Son Of Odin on October 02, 2012, 11:53:50 am
Spam? Spam!

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Post by: Niemand on October 02, 2012, 01:38:39 pm
Erm... so is this eagle called freedom? Or why are you comparing freedom to a piece of dead meat? I know many countries have the eagle as their symbol inculding the one I live in. But you could give practical examples instead of posting imprisoned or dead birdies.
In the small, patriotic american brain that eagle means freedom. I just wanted to point out that freedom is imprisoned and/or dead. ;)
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Post by: Tovi on October 02, 2012, 01:48:04 pm
You mean since Patriot Act and all stranges stuff around 9/11 ?
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Post by: Niemand on October 02, 2012, 02:24:25 pm
since the russians built the Metal Gear.
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on October 02, 2012, 03:46:46 pm
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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 02, 2012, 05:05:55 pm
The reason we lose freedom (in America) isn't because we are too capitalist, or too socialist...the reason we lose freedom is because people (the politicians we elect) take it away from us.  And, for the most part, we gladly give it up for the promise of security or safety.  Military men and women fought and died to protect these very freedoms (Habeus Corpus, the right to not be spied on by your government, the right to not have our government put assassinations on our own citizens, the right to not be strip searched by a private corporation [airlines], etc etc etc).

That being said, our politicians (both Republican and Democrat) are corporate whores who enact laws and policies that benefit these corporations, at the expense of the average citizen/family.  It's always been us versus them (working class versus the corporate overlords), however the government has divided us, person versus person.  We fight amongst ourselves about social issues (gay marriage, abortion, healthcare, guns, etc) while the ruling class keeps benefiting their own personal fiscal agenda.  The politicians basically let the energy companies write the energy regulations.  And they let the wall street bankers write the financial regulations.

Divide and conquer, it's the best tactic for ruling people, and not even having them realize that you're going against their interests.  They're too busy fighting each other to realize who the real enemy is. 
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Post by: Kafein on October 03, 2012, 12:04:19 am
www.americantravelguide.net

So much awesome in this.

For those ashamed people that don't have the game : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi1ZRzok-n0
Title: Re: Freedom these days...
Post by: Niemand on October 03, 2012, 12:14:37 am
The reason we lose freedom (in America) isn't because we are too capitalist, or too socialist...the reason we lose freedom is because people (the politicians we elect) take it away from us.  And, for the most part, we gladly give it up for the promise of security or safety.  Military men and women fought and died to protect these very freedoms (Habeus Corpus, the right to not be spied on by your government, the right to not have our government put assassinations on our own citizens, the right to not be strip searched by a private corporation [airlines], etc etc etc).

That being said, our politicians (both Republican and Democrat) are corporate whores who enact laws and policies that benefit these corporations, at the expense of the average citizen/family.  It's always been us versus them (working class versus the corporate overlords), however the government has divided us, person versus person.  We fight amongst ourselves about social issues (gay marriage, abortion, healthcare, guns, etc) while the ruling class keeps benefiting their own personal fiscal agenda.  The politicians basically let the energy companies write the energy regulations.  And they let the wall street bankers write the financial regulations.

Divide and conquer, it's the best tactic for ruling people, and not even having them realize that you're going against their interests.  They're too busy fighting each other to realize who the real enemy is. 
awww! you're so cute when you try to put up a discussion. <3

(Maybe I should read it to be able to troll you right but i am not in the mood...)
Title: Re: Freedom these days...
Post by: Germanicus on October 03, 2012, 01:27:07 am
The reason we lose freedom (in America) isn't because we are too capitalist, or too socialist...the reason we lose freedom is because people (the politicians we elect) take it away from us.  And, for the most part, we gladly give it up for the promise of security or safety.  Military men and women fought and died to protect these very freedoms (Habeus Corpus, the right to not be spied on by your government, the right to not have our government put assassinations on our own citizens, the right to not be strip searched by a private corporation [airlines], etc etc etc).

That being said, our politicians (both Republican and Democrat) are corporate whores who enact laws and policies that benefit these corporations, at the expense of the average citizen/family.  It's always been us versus them (working class versus the corporate overlords), however the government has divided us, person versus person.  We fight amongst ourselves about social issues (gay marriage, abortion, healthcare, guns, etc) while the ruling class keeps benefiting their own personal fiscal agenda.  The politicians basically let the energy companies write the energy regulations.  And they let the wall street bankers write the financial regulations.

Divide and conquer, it's the best tactic for ruling people, and not even having them realize that you're going against their interests.  They're too busy fighting each other to realize who the real enemy is.


An American i think Benjamin it was sayd once if you give your freedome for safety you dont deserve both
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on October 04, 2012, 05:33:33 pm
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Post by: Leshma on October 04, 2012, 06:02:37 pm
What with Germans and their hatred towards murrica?
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Post by: Niemand on October 04, 2012, 10:08:56 pm
Nuffen. It's great. why you asking? :O
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Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 05, 2012, 12:02:14 am
The fuck? I added Niemand to my ignore list and I still see his posts?
nvm, changed the setting
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Post by: Herkkutatti666 on October 05, 2012, 12:06:28 am
Fake 'Murrica patriot can't take criticism?
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Post by: Niemand on October 05, 2012, 01:03:03 am
I'm on your ignorelist? dude thats great. making one more notch into my keyboard right now! :D
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Post by: Tibe on October 05, 2012, 05:04:31 pm
I found a video, I say it pretty much sums up Mitt Romney.  :D