cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Mlekce on September 22, 2012, 08:40:09 pm
Title: Pikemen build
Post by: Mlekce on September 22, 2012, 08:40:09 pm
i need good build for pike,or longspear. I want to fight vs cav and melee. Maybie some shield points also for hoplite if there is too many archers. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: IR_Kuoin on September 22, 2012, 08:42:02 pm
18/18, or 21/15 15/21 maybe?
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Mlekce on September 22, 2012, 08:50:51 pm
no,that is ordinary shit i need more speed to suprise HA when he try to stop and shoot me and more agi to dodge their arrows.
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Mlekce on September 22, 2012, 08:54:30 pm
how abbout this
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 15 Agility: 24 Skills to attributes: 8 Ironflesh: 5 Power Strike: 5 Shield: 5 Athletics: 8 Polearm: 114
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Joseph Porta on September 22, 2012, 08:57:07 pm
i am only worrying abbout 111wpf is it enough for polearms? I know it rocks with 1h,but how abbout polearms?
Unless you are wearing very heavy armor you won't notice a difference at all. If you can spare it I like 3 WM for a dedicated melee build to get 130+ WPF though. 5 shield is probably overkill take some from there.
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: TurmoilTom on September 22, 2012, 09:14:09 pm
15/27 is the only true agility piker build.
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Tanken on September 22, 2012, 09:17:05 pm
Going to go off the beaten path since a lot of you know I play Pike and Long Spear (somewhat efficiently :lol:)
27-12 or 30-9. Hell, I've done a 39-3 build with a pike/long spear.
The more strength you have, the more you guarantee those quick kills. You should try it.
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Teeth on September 22, 2012, 09:18:15 pm
How about you put the 5 you have into shield, into WM? Anyhow, I play with 4 WM and I do rather well.
no,that is ordinary shit i need more speed to suprise HA when he try to stop and shoot me and more agi to dodge their arrows.
You should not try to get a build to counter horsearchers, cause you can't. It's all up to them making a mistake. I would recommend going 18/21 or anything higher strength. You just want that damage. If you are good at playing with your team you can go higher strength. I have played a 36/3 longspearman and it was awesome coupled with some Byzantines sticking with me.
i am only worrying abbout 111wpf is it enough for polearms? I know it rocks with 1h,but how abbout polearms?
I never go above 100 wpf.
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Mlekce on September 22, 2012, 09:30:15 pm
ok i dont need shield. 1wpf is enough it seems so since i am able to kill ppl and have positive score with this,so 111wpf will be fine. I have currently 15 agi and 5 athl it looks like it is too slow because i get spammed and attacked by 2h. I am not worrying abbout anything when i have team arround me,i am only worrying abbout what to do when i am alone. i 18/21 then.
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Mlekce on September 22, 2012, 09:31:07 pm
What do you do when you are alone vs an 2h opponent?
Don't listen to them internet tough guys, they're just bragging. Winning in a 1 vs 1 as a pikeman is mostly dependent on your oponents failing rather than your skill. You basically have to stick it out till he makes a few mistakes. More agi does make it easier, but it's never going to be great. If he knows how to fight you you're only chance is kicking. Be unpredictable in your movement so you get a little range. Then they mostly just run right into your kick.
In general you should just not get into 1 vs 1 situations at all and just do good teamplay where your weapon excels.
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on September 22, 2012, 11:08:51 pm
I usually do 24-18, but that's a level 31+ build. Totally worth it.
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: theprojectnemesis on September 23, 2012, 01:12:47 am
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Zanze on September 23, 2012, 01:43:28 am
15/24 is amazing. 18/21 is what master pikeman Relit is currently using. (MAX YOUR WPF! IT REALLY HELPS)
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Gurnisson on September 23, 2012, 03:19:19 am
21/18 is by far the best build for a pikeman. I've tried others, but nothing's as good as that one. Great damage if you abuse the speed bonus, good movement to attack at all opportunities and fast enough to trick people in 1 vs. 1 or while being ganked. I love it to bits. :P
Learn your footwork and aiming with the stabs and you'll be one of the most feared units on the battlefield. What Teeth says about having to rely on enemy mistakes is not exactly right. You should be forcing them into those mistakes. I kill many good players in 1 on 1 with a pike by using good footwork and tricking them into attacking when they shouldn't. Some players are really hard to win over in a 1v1 with a pike though, Muffin being the one I don't like dueling with a pike myself.
Also, don't expect to be ripping teams apart if you're new to piking. The skill ceiling is extremely high and is the sole reason I still play the class. There's always room for improvement, just give it time and don't give up. :wink:
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Smoothrich on September 23, 2012, 03:48:12 am
21/18 is by far the best build for a pikeman. I've tried others, but nothing's as good as that one. Great damage if you abuse the speed bonus, good movement to attack at all opportunities and fast enough to trick people in 1 vs. 1 or while being ganked. I love it to bits. :P
21/18 is the best build for every melee class. 24/18 at either level 32 or level 33. 2pr0
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on September 24, 2012, 07:41:00 am
If you feel like it, get 6 weapon master and hybrid pole/2h and bring a langes messer with you. It's a beautiful surprise against two-hand heroes who are looking for an easy kill.
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on September 24, 2012, 07:48:50 am
21/18 is awesome for longspear. I've played 18/21 last gen and liked the speed very much and this gen I'm 21/15 with 7IF and 7PS so far and its so nice to play this build. Cant wait to get to 18 agi. I've always favoured builds that have more agi than str so far but the durability and damage potential that 21/18 brings is so frickin awesome. Just be sure to stick with your allies, preferably the ones that are able to teamplay. Its also fun to guard a small group of archers on a cav map, even though you might not really get any points or just very few, it helps if you keep them alive - for the multi! 1vs1 is hard for me with longspear but thats cuz I suck at duels in general, but sometimes I win or manage to keep the enemy busy until reinforcements arrive.
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Riddaren on September 25, 2012, 12:21:31 am
I recommend 24/24 8PS 8AT (level 35) :wink:
For level 30 I think 21/21 is the best.
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Teeth on September 25, 2012, 12:33:49 am
How would you make a 21/21 build on lvl 30? That would be crap.
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Gurnisson on September 25, 2012, 02:53:20 am
How would you make a 21/21 build on lvl 30? That would be crap.
It's not that bad if you wear medium armor and put 3 points into IF. Max athletics and PS. Its very convenient if you want to level past 30, as you can just keep converting attributes to skill points and flesh the build out. However when I tried it as a 2hander with Kuyak I simply felt too squishy and too low WPF so I respecced to 21/18.
I respecced from level 33 24/18 pure 2hander to level 32 same build, but with 6 riding. So I have 8 PS, 6 Athletics, and 3 IF and usually play as 2hander infantry anyways. Same stat distribution for infantry as a level 30 build like that, but with a Lamellar Vest, Plate Mittens, and 24 strength I am fast, hard hitting, and tanky enough to stomp on Battle just as easily as max IF and 4 WM.
I miss the IF, but the WPF reduction from 4 WM to none is only noticeable in heavy armor. I even tested my armor and +3 Great Sword/Long Sword with builds like 15/24, 8 WM, 170+ WPF. There is no difference in swing speed at all, just bonus damage from the athletics that is still less than more PS. Lack of HP is very noticeable, all ranged, cav, and melee gankers take off so much of your lifebar it kind of sucks.
I think 21/21 is better in heavier armor, but 24/18 is the best for medium. Wouldn't recommend those builds at level 30 without having +3 chest or gloves to crutch on though.
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: GuiKa on September 25, 2012, 06:26:48 am
I never had any problems winning most 1vs1 situations with my long spear, even when I only had 15 agi. Of course the turn speed nerf made it a bit more difficult, but still I can win most 1vs1 situations, even against very fast shielders like kinngrimm. It´s possible even with a balanced build :)
If you miss the kick on kinngrim you are dead, it's like playing lottery.
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Daniisme on September 26, 2012, 03:20:52 am
27/12 le best for pike
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Relit on September 26, 2012, 06:29:33 am
Pike is a support weapon. Hence you need to move fast and support your friends all over the place. I recommend a 18/21 build (its what I use). I also do not recommend a backup weapon (incoming Caita), it will just slow you down. Work on blocking and good footwork to prevent dying.
The long spear is less support and more about just raw hitting power. Strength heavier builds lend themselves better to this style of spear. 24/15 is a good build for this.
Title: Re: Pikemen build
Post by: Tore on September 26, 2012, 04:36:00 pm