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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: saffran on September 14, 2012, 06:18:49 pm

Title: Aim on horseback
Post by: saffran on September 14, 2012, 06:18:49 pm
Is it just me ore do anyone els have problem with the aim as a horse archer?
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Miwiw on September 14, 2012, 06:19:21 pm
In what way?
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: saffran on September 14, 2012, 06:37:17 pm
I feel that were i used to aim is not right. I can see the arrow miss the guy by 1m but then its a hit and when it should hit I miss
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: darmaster on September 14, 2012, 08:19:59 pm
i wish it wasn't only you
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Zerran on September 14, 2012, 08:32:56 pm
This isn't just a problem with HA, it's an issue with all ranged. You get what looks like a perfect shot, but turns out it was a miss. Or on the other hand, it flies way off the target, BOOM headshot.

I don't know for sure, but if I had to guess, it might be an issue that lag causes the server and client to use a different seed, so the actual arrow is using a different seed than the one you see is.
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Riddaren on September 14, 2012, 09:53:57 pm
Quote from: saffran on September 14, 2012, 06:18:49 pm
Is it just me ore do anyone els have problem with the aim as a horse archer?

IMO it's a shame that horse archers, being much harder to play, are less rewarding and efficient than horse crossbowmen.
IMO there was no need for the big horse archery accuracy nerf that was done together with the uneeded lance angle nerf.

I've said it several times before; Increase strength requirement of light crossbow to 11 or 12.
That will make quite a big difference as horse crossbowmen are now the fastest riders of crpg, which makes no sense.
Why should horse crossbowmen ride around with 10 riding when everyone else have 5-8?

After that, increase accuracy of horse archers. Aiming well takes skill, especially from horseback.
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: saffran on September 14, 2012, 10:26:22 pm
Håller med.
Agree with u horse crossmen are to good right now the only advantage I have as a HA is that I can shoot faster but that doz not help when the accuracy is messed up.

I dont think this we are going to solve this problem but it good to know that other players experience the same thing
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on September 14, 2012, 10:28:39 pm
Quote from: Riddaren on September 14, 2012, 09:53:57 pm
After that, increase accuracy of horse archers. Aiming well takes skill, especially from horseback.
HAs got fine accuracy, sorry to say.
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Tanken on September 14, 2012, 10:34:21 pm
I wish Horse Archer was a more viable class. It is honestly one class in my opinion that could do with a substantial buff. Horse Archers to fight lancers would be great, but if possible I wouldn't give anymore to Horse Crossbowmen. Just Horse Archers need some love.
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Arrowblood on September 14, 2012, 10:44:08 pm
Quote from: Zlisch_The_Butcher on September 14, 2012, 10:28:39 pm
HAs got fine accuracy, sorry to say.
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Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on September 14, 2012, 11:07:28 pm
Quote from: Deutschritter on September 14, 2012, 10:44:08 pm
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Horsethrowing however...
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: buba on September 15, 2012, 01:51:36 am
HA aim as been off for some time now, i can remember the arrow speed nerf some time ago that did the wierd 1 meter away from target but hit, and the other way around where you seem to hit something but miss anyway.
It might be already there before but after the flight speed nerf of arrows it got alot worse.
I have no proof to back this up, its just a feeling I have and how i remember it ( I even stopped playing for a while after that nerf.)
Playing a HX after 9 gens of HA or HA/one hander and yes the aim is slighty better.
I still see bolts flying trew targets however, just not as often as with bow and arrow.

I really wish the devs of this mod spend some time trying to fix this.
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Hobb on September 15, 2012, 04:36:08 am
HA needs a good buff, its a great natural counter to lance cav n 2h heros

Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Oggrinsky on September 15, 2012, 05:39:19 am
I, for one, would love to see a buff for horse archers and horse throwers.
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Ptolemy on September 15, 2012, 07:39:01 am
As if we didn't already have enough cavalry on the battle server.

Buffing HA will not counter cav - it will nerf infantry further. Lancers don't often chase HA around, because they know that the HA can just shoot out their horse at range, then dance around them, therefore, who would the HA be targetting? Infantry, not cavalry, because they know that cavalry is little threat to them unless they get blind sided.

Additionally: I have no accuracy problems hitting with my HA - the only times that it becomes a little awkward is when you don't slow down to fire off a shot and in this situation the lack of accuracy is appropriate.

Conclusion: HA is fine.
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Fartface on September 15, 2012, 10:19:36 am
I always did fine as an HA realy.
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Bjord on September 15, 2012, 10:29:46 am
On horseback, you need to compensate for the aim offset, especially when shooting from the right side. When shooting from the left side, it's not as significant, but you have to compensate still. From the center, and slightly leaning on the left, the aim is perfect.

You'd know this if you ever played HA in singleplayer, one of the first things you learn. :wink:

Maybe it's a bug, IDK, but it makes it a harder class for sure and that's good. Only pros should be good with HA.
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Arrowblood on September 15, 2012, 11:08:51 am
Quote from: Bjord on September 15, 2012, 10:29:46 am
On horseback, you need to compensate for the aim offset, especially when shooting from the right side. When shooting from the left side, it's not as significant, but you have to compensate still. From the center, and slightly leaning on the left, the aim is perfect.

You'd know this if you ever played HA in singleplayer, one of the first things you learn. :wink:

Maybe it's a bug, IDK, but it makes it a harder class for sure and that's good. Only pros should be good with HA.
And we all know the mighty pro HA from the north.
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: saffran on September 15, 2012, 11:19:50 am
I think that the accuracy is not a problem, I have no problem with accuracy is bad on horse back its logical. The thing I have problem with is the animation. You have to shoot "wrong" to hit and I think thats were the problem is.
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Overdriven on September 15, 2012, 12:17:05 pm
Quote from: Ptolemy on September 15, 2012, 07:39:01 am
As if we didn't already have enough cavalry on the battle server.

Buffing HA will not counter cav - it will nerf infantry further. Lancers don't often chase HA around, because they know that the HA can just shoot out their horse at range, then dance around them, therefore, who would the HA be targetting? Infantry, not cavalry, because they know that cavalry is little threat to them unless they get blind sided.

Additionally: I have no accuracy problems hitting with my HA - the only times that it becomes a little awkward is when you don't slow down to fire off a shot and in this situation the lack of accuracy is appropriate.

Conclusion: HA is fine.

I always target lancers and infantry only as a side shot because I know that's where I can do some damage. Shooting out their horses and what not. Not all will...but plenty of HA do fight cav.

Aim has been off for a while. The amount of arrows I see go through people is very annoying. But I think that is possibly a general ranged problem. Not just HA.
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Fandrall on September 15, 2012, 12:22:33 pm
I dont know much about cav in general and even less about horse archery in particular so I might be wrong here but isnt HA the nr1 anti lancer class? And if lancers have a hard time taking down a HA why would a HA ignore that target. Little risk of getting killed yourself and no spasmic unpredictable movments like you would get from inf. You would also support your team the best way you can (most of the time) by removing the enemy cav.

My tiny experiance of horse archery is that with enemy cav still around you will get lanced or slashed to death from behind if you're focusing on inf so its always best to try to dehorse or kill the enemy cav first. Both for your own and for your teams sake. Buffing HAs might indeed counter cav just as giving the lancers the lance angle back might also be a counter to cav.

BUT I agree that HA is fine (or was when I last played) though for another less anti-cav lobbyismic reason which is too far off-topic so I wont go into it in this thread.

On Topic: Arrows going through enemies chests/throats, different aimingspots for different maps, different aimingspots depending on your opponents ping, lag issues and funky hitboxes is what every archer mounted and on foot experience at times. I think there was a thread about it way way back in the technical problems section. I started to notice alot of these things when arrowspeed and later damage to head/body was tamperd with and it was like that untill I stopped playing (Då träffade du så dåligt Saffran att du inte märkte av detta :wink:) Just like Buba I have no proof of this, its just a feeling.

When it feels like the aim is off I shoot a few refrence arrows at Chagan or Kerrigan (any GK lancer on your team will do) so I know how to adjust.
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: saffran on September 15, 2012, 12:47:09 pm
 :) du har helt rätt. men nu träffar jag rätt bra
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Piok on September 15, 2012, 01:03:09 pm
Buff HAs to deal with lancers is like to try heal grippe with cancer
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: saffran on September 15, 2012, 02:30:34 pm
No need for buff just fix the animation
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on September 16, 2012, 05:50:34 pm
I think a big part of it is latency/netcode. On NA servers I have 40-60 ping and can aim HA shots well enough. It's difficult but I can land arrows on my target. On EU I have 130+ ping and I can go for rounds without landing a single arrow out of 40 shots. You have a very narrow window of time when you can release your arrow and hit a target as mounted range, so adding more delay and discrepancy between player and server side stuff makes it extremely difficult.
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: saffran on September 16, 2012, 06:59:06 pm
Just been playing a couple of days now and a geting more frustrated about this. I not saying a super HA but this is geting silly. Thinking of stop playing as a HA now
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: Kawint on September 16, 2012, 07:12:34 pm
It's very hard to play a HA but it's also very hard to kill a Ha. He don't have to be near of the target and when you try to kill him he flee away.
Title: Re: Aim on horseback
Post by: saffran on September 16, 2012, 07:32:41 pm
Been a HA for over a year and think its most fun class u can play but now I having my doubts :(