Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: CrazyCracka420 on September 11, 2012, 06:22:25 pm
Title: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on September 11, 2012, 06:22:25 pm
RIP to those who died on 9/11, and sympathies to the family members of those affected.
Also RIP to parts of the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments. Shame on anyone who thinks it is acceptable to give up essential liberties in the name of promised security or safety. Generations of brave men and women have fought and died to protect these very freedoms we so willingly give up. That is the definition of unpatriotic, and those people are undeserving of those very liberties.
www.nyclu.org/pdfs/eroding_liberty.pdf
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Tibe on September 11, 2012, 06:36:33 pm
You make a thread like this in a gameforum? That is filled 90% with trolls. :?
I dont make a thread out of every memorialday for people that sacrificed their lives for my country, nor do any of us. Im sorry, I just dont feel sympathy when it comes to 9/11.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on September 11, 2012, 06:39:50 pm
I think that everyone's "vigils" and remembrances of 9/11 always leave out the fact that 19 people hijacking 3 planes were able to completely change our country. I don't even think most Americans realize that their liberties have been eroding since 9/11, "in the name of security".
If it opens up one persons mind who otherwise didn't think about it, then I'd be happy. And I don't really troll on the forums, most of my posts are either serious, or joking around...but not trolling. People can troll all they want, I will continue to "shit post".
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: BlackMilk on September 11, 2012, 06:42:17 pm
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Nessaj on September 11, 2012, 07:03:27 pm
All loss of innocent life is regretful.
U.S. Court Judgment, December 2011 (Havlish v. Iran)
U.S. DISTRICT COURT RULES IRAN BEHIND 9/11 ATTACKS
December 23, 2011
A federal district court in Manhattan yesterday entered a historic ruling that reveals new facts about Iran's support of al Qaeda in the 9/11 attacks. U.S. District Judge George B. Daniels ruled yesterday that Iran and Hezbollah materially and directly supported al Qaeda in the September 11, 2001 attacks and are legally responsible for damages to hundreds of family members of 9/11 victims who are plaintiffs in the case.
New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/20/world/middleeast/20terror.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/20/world/middleeast/20terror.html)
Chicago Tribune http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-us-sept11-tre74k008-20110521,0,4302064.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-us-sept11-tre74k008-20110521,0,4302064.story)
You make a thread like this in a gameforum? That is filled 90% with trolls. :?
I dont make a thread out of every memorialday for people that sacrificed their lives for my country, nor do any of us. Im sorry, I just dont feel sympathy when it comes to 9/11.
Your Polish right? I would be very interested in learning what memorial day(s) you have. That goes for anyone. A tragedy is a tragedy no matter what country you are from.
Here in America they aren't so big on teaching/ mentioning other countries and their history.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Kafein on September 11, 2012, 07:33:29 pm
Your Polish right? I would be very interested in learning what memorial day(s) you have. That goes for anyone. A tragedy is a tragedy no matter what country you are from.
Here in America they aren't so big on teaching/ mentioning other countries and their history.
Ummm, no im not Polish and ummm that wasnt the point. But you can always google when you want to learn moar about history. :D But yea....I feel like im in the wrong thread.
*walks away*
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Berserkadin on September 11, 2012, 08:06:34 pm
Well USA had it coming, its called karma, punishment should just have been more severe.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Sarpton on September 11, 2012, 08:06:41 pm
Ummm, no im not Polish and ummm that wasnt the point. But you can always google when you want to learn moar about history. :D But yea....I feel like im in the wrong thread.
*walks away*
My mistake? The point was that it shouldn't matter where you are from, if something terrible happens it is still terrible.
Then I injected some personal interest in what I thought was your country. Because yes google, works but its ALOT of information and you always learn better from another person rather than being inundated with meaningless dates/ clinical information. Without out a personal touch it just memorization not learning.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Nessaj on September 11, 2012, 08:28:57 pm
Kafein, you are part of the "problem" actually, your posts always shows a lack of critical thinking and understanding. The Twin Towers are not the main issue either, WTC7 is, and that you some how know better than experts with over 50 years of experience in their field, people who have been rated as the best demolition expertsin the world. Why would anyone who is so highly rated, with an amazing reputation, expose them self in a case such as this, and for what? Physicists from the best Universities in the world explaining how physics work and why the official story does not hold water. I would forever and always believe the word of an INDEPENDENT expert, with decades of experience, over some random uneducated preconceived anonymous person on the Internet.
Stupid decision Cracka, creating such a thread on this forum where it's 95% EU Trolls. Especially considering a lot of them are tinfoil hats.
There isn't any sort of "Tinfoil hat" regarding 911, simply HISTORY. (Obviously there are plenty of ridiculous theories, but the main point here is the Experts angle).
Whatever the truth might be, critical thinking is always what should be promoted.
I didn't write anywhere that I support any of the videos linked :wink: I fully stand behind the CIA/Iran videos though, and from a personal standpoint I attribute 911 as backlash for the US' foreign policy for decades. I will however always be vigilant about issues where highly decorated experts with life long experiences dispute the official explanations.
Operation Northwoods was a series of false-flag proposals that originated in 1962 within the United States government, and which the Kennedy administration rejected. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. One part of Operation Northwoods was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."
Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:
"The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere."
Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets. The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project anti-communist initiative, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy.
Sounds familiar?
Would Bush reject such ideas?
Would Cheney?
(They both only testified behind closed doors, not under oath, no notes or statements were allowed)
WASHINGTON — In an echo of the debates over the discredited intelligence that helped make the case for the war in Iraq, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday released more than 1,100 pages of previously classified Vietnam-era transcripts that show senators of the time sharply questioning whether they had been deceived by the White House and the Pentagon over the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_Image ( Available at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2863861954538932125 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2863861954538932125) )
Enemy Image is a 2005 documentary film by Mark Daniels about the portrayal of warfare in television news. The film focuses initially on the Vietnam War as the first war ever televised "live". During this war the American government allowed reporters onto the battlefield with little supervision or control. The documentary follows the way The Pentagon learned from this experience to control access by journalists to battle areas in subsequent wars, through the Invasion of Grenada (where journalists were excluded completely) to the first Gulf War, where news packages were provided by the military, to the embedded journalism of the Iraq War. The theme of the film is the progressive tightening of control by the US military on the contact journalists have with soldiers and civilians in the war zone, in order that (as the film says at the end) "never again will television raise the moral and political questions that face a people at war."
The film was aired on Canadian television in 2005.
I would recommend people to watch the Explosive Evidence video and then take notice of the psychologists segment in the end where they explain why exactly people quickly jump at uneducated preconceived opinions for then to not change or question them ever again.
To form an opinion, one has to review everything, you have to painfully dedicate time to read and watch and understand everything of importance that is for the opinion AND against, then you can make up your mind, it takes a while but that's life. You do not make up your mind prior to that, nor do you only watch a few minutes of some video/TV-news, read a few pages in a book, and then make up your opinion - that is wrong and uninformed. Yes, life is just like school, you have to sit, read, listen and learn. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: GreasySausageSandwhich on September 11, 2012, 08:49:21 pm
Well USA had it coming, its called karma, punishment should just have been more severe.
Because the people that died in that tower were George W. Bush. I REAAAAAAALY hope this is a troll.
Anyway, I'll be the first reply to actually say, RIP. Those people didn't deserve that.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Bjord on September 11, 2012, 08:51:50 pm
Well said, Cooties. Agree 100%.
Critical thinking is somethig that is incessantly taught at my media school, we have delved into many forms of propaganda, sublime advertising commercials, documentaries and movies about topics such as terrorism, consumerism, warfare, the gun-mania in US, religion - pretty much everything that can be questioned, scrutinized and criticized.
Related to today and the thread, I really recommend watching Fahrenheit 9/11. Michael Moore may have a fetish for controversies, but he certainly made me open my eyes about the Bush administration and all the shit they have done. Teddy Roosevelt is probably the only modern president that I feel I can admire, sadly he died before he could see his plan through. I don't remember all the details about his legislation, but what I do remember is that if he had lived for 5 more months, the USA you know today would have looked very different.
I never trust anything I see/hear on the TV, if I am interested in a subject or topic, I read up on it as much as possible and then form an educated opinion. Sadly, questioning the great government in USA is taboo as an American and is generally seen as an unpatriotic act:
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Teeth on September 11, 2012, 09:04:55 pm
Not sure about all your conspiracy theories, but the U.S. fucked up big time with their overreaction on the event. The entire concept of the War on Terror is retarded. What does that even mean?
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Turkhammer on September 11, 2012, 09:16:43 pm
Not sure about all your conspiracy theories, but the U.S. fucked up big time with their overreaction on the event. The entire concept of the War on Terror is retarded. What does that even mean?
Ah excellent hind sight. 20/20 as usual.
Ridding Afghanistan of the Taliban and their Al-Qaida guests was NOT an over reaction.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Turkhammer on September 11, 2012, 09:24:10 pm
Btw, patriotism, nationalism and racism have the same roots. I know NA people tend to use patriotism as a positive word for some reason though.
Yeah, we're not ready to join your one worldism yet. I guess Euros are actually embarrassed to fly their country's flag. Do you actually enjoy being dictated to by that additional layer of useless bureaucratic pinheads in Brussels?
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on September 11, 2012, 09:27:31 pm
Btw, patriotism, nationalism and racism have the same roots. I know NA people tend to use patriotism as a positive word for some reason though.
Sorry to tell you this, but eh, most people consider nationalism and patriotism positive things, there are just as many retards in Denmark painting danish flags on their faces and jerking off to how awesome Denmark is as there are guys doing the same thing in America, at least from everything I've witnessed.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Overdriven on September 11, 2012, 09:34:14 pm
Ridding Afghanistan of the Taliban and their Al-Qaida guests was NOT an over reaction.
Eh? Ridding Afghanistan of it? When did they do that? I've clearly missed something.
Anyway:
The saddest part about 9/11, bar the deaths of those involved, is the way it made many ignorant people in the West look with suspicion upon the Muslim community. And the way the media now jumps on anything slightly 'extreme' that parts of the Islamic community do and thus throwing Muslim's all in the same boat thanks to a few terrorists. The majority of people aren't smart enough to question what they see or hear on the news, in papers, tv ect and so they believe everything they see and group people together.
An interesting radio debate was going on today about how post 9/11 and 7/7 (UK) has caused a habit of suspicion towards British Muslims in our community. That feeling was never there before and many were well respected within their communities. 9/11 and 7/7 changed that, largely with the help of the media.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Tibe on September 11, 2012, 10:04:58 pm
He kinda speaks the truth. But yea, terrorists are rather destroying muslim culture than saving it, giving rest of the world reason the condemn them all.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Kafein on September 11, 2012, 10:24:00 pm
Kafein, you are part of the "problem" actually, your posts always shows a lack of critical thinking and understanding. The Twin Towers are not the main issue either, WTC7 is, and that you some how know better than experts with over 50 years of experience in their field, people who have been rated as the best demolition expertsin the world. Why would anyone who is so highly rated, with an amazing reputation, expose them self in a case such as this, and for what? Physicists from the best Universities in the world explaining how physics work and why the official story does not hold water. I would forever and always believe the word of an INDEPENDENT expert, with decades of experience, over some random uneducated preconceived anonymous person on the Internet.
First off, I did not form an opinion with my comment. I only find that comic very amusing. Also, I did not watch the videos yet. Actually when I read what I quoted I did not know anything about WTC7.
I feel I may not be sufficiently informed, and potentially never will be, since all information no matter the source is not bound to be true. So in a way I do not want to share whatever opinion I might have now, but I still do want to share the information I have, just like you do, because I will probably never be sure of anything either, if that has actually any importance. The issues interest me and I think I probably have more critical thinking than the next man. I'm pretty cynical and that helps. It's exactly because I do not fully trust anybody that I can't really state a firm opinion.
Another thing I find quite amusing is that I predicted that you would post a wall of text with several videos of which I already knew what would be the main "conclusion". It's just funny. Why so serious.
Now, it seems I'm getting a lot of flak for this :
Btw, patriotism, nationalism and racism have the same roots. I know NA people tend to use patriotism as a positive word for some reason though.
If you are not fully sure about this, please read what happened during the 19th century in europe, and what was the result during the 20th. No matter how many people are into this, only caring about people that have the same papers/were born in the same arbitrarily-delimited zone as you is bizarre to me, just as it is with people having the same skin color or spirituality/beliefs/religion. I also wasn't trolling american people, that's just how the "patriot" word is used and it's a fun fact to me.
Btw I live myself in Brussels, and I'm quite sure I'm voting for the european parliament elections like everybody in the union. It's not like they "dictate" any more than the parliament of Belgium or any other euro country.
Finally, if it's video time, here's a BBC documentary :
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Teeth on September 11, 2012, 10:34:33 pm
Ridding Afghanistan of the Taliban and their Al-Qaida guests was NOT an over reaction.
The general aim of terrorism, although a very vague and subjective term, is to disrupt a stronger opponent and cause fear. Well, the Bush goverment made sure al-Qaeda properly reached that goal. The two wars, the enormous increase in military budget, various smelly practices like Guantánamo Bay and the Patriot Act really made sure that America was properly disrupted. Ofcourse al-Qaeda got a bit more than it bargained for and arguably got destroyed, but simultaneously the American overreaction planted Anti-Americanism deep into the hearts of thousands, if not millions, of young Muslims, making sure that al-Qaeda will have itself replaced on a much larger scale. Good job.
Apart from creating willing militant Islamists it also raped the public opinion of the entire world towards the U.S. including a lot of it's own citizens. Whoever made the cost/benefit calculation for the War on Terror was a complete fucking retard. The U.S. made sure that the 9/11 attacks were more effective than al-Qaeda could have ever imagined. Exxageration of the threat of terrorism promotes the very fear and anxiety that terrorists set out to produce. And oh boy did they exxagerate it.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: wayyyyyne on September 11, 2012, 10:35:43 pm
The only thing I remember about 9/11 is that they broadcasted the minute of silence for the victims across all TV channels at that weekend. I was so fucking pissed my favourite children's TV got canceled just for that. :evil:
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Son Of Odin on September 11, 2012, 11:15:25 pm
Nevar forgets! visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Now that I watched this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ddz2mw2vaEg
What I'm saying is that the single biggest obstacle to 9/11 truthers are 9/11 truthers.
And by that I mean the assholes writing books about f-16 crashing into the towers and missiles being shot at the pentagon one year after the events to get rich and famous. Those guys really fucked everything up, no matter what actually happened.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 11, 2012, 11:48:11 pm
Sadly, questioning the great government in USA is taboo as an American and is generally seen as an unpatriotic act:
Erm, no, it happens literally every day. Just FOX news thinks questioning the Gov is a heinous baby eating act. Coming from someone who lives here, this happens rather regularly.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Kafein on September 11, 2012, 11:59:42 pm
Erm, no, it happens literally every day. Just FOX news thinks questioning the Gov is a heinous baby eating act. Coming from someone who lives here, this happens rather regularly.
Just noticed you got 666 infamy. Nero !
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Ptolemy on September 12, 2012, 12:06:06 am
R.I.P American constitution.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Son Of Odin on September 12, 2012, 12:16:07 am
I only saw the other post where there wasn't anything to reply to. Relax. However, it does go to show how you are out to 'nail' people on various subjects, where you postulate one side instead of free critical thinking. Your response to critical thinking has and is always some sort of quick unintelligent comment or opinionated image. Afraid someone will shake your pre-convinced world image?
I'm not looking to get into an debate regarding what happened at 911, all I did was write a post where I among other things stated I did not support all of the videos, obviously, as there are always mistakes in most documentaries which have have a broad subject to cover, nor do I support ludicrous theories such as missiles or jets being used to fly into the Twin Towers -- but having suffered through your silly posts in the past I felt this one needed to be 'nailed' as you so seem to love. So why the snide attitude? :wink: we're in sync here for once.
First off, I did not form an opinion with my comment. I only find that comic very amusing. Also, I did not watch the videos yet. Actually when I read what I quoted I did not know anything about WTC7.
I feel I may not be sufficiently informed, and potentially never will be, since all information no matter the source is not bound to be true. So in a way I do not want to share whatever opinion I might have now, but I still do want to share the information I have, just like you do, because I will probably never be sure of anything either, if that has actually any importance. The issues interest me and I think I probably have more critical thinking than the next man. I'm pretty cynical and that helps. It's exactly because I do not fully trust anybody that I can't really state a firm opinion.
Another thing I find quite amusing is that I predicted that you would post a wall of text with several videos of which I already knew what would be the main "conclusion". It's just funny. Why so serious
No one said anything about a conclusion? You didn't read my whole wall of text before replying, did you? Tsk tsk! :P
You even your self state in this post that you didn't know anything about WTC7, which is the single most important thing about September 11. How can you even be spreading counter-material without knowing anything about WTC7? :(
You can easily be sure that I'll always be there to post something in threads such as these, because it is the right thing to do, to get information out there for people to judge themselves, big and small contributions it doesn't matter, everything helps. September 11 is the single most important thing to happen in our lifetime, it have changed the face of the World, for the worse, we have lost civil liberties in all Countries and still are, we spend almost all of our tax money (53 cents of every dollar in the US goes to Defence Spending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFeduoDWKj4)) on war efforts because now suddenly defence means attacking, pretty much every country violated their constitution regarding the wars as well. There's plenty of red flags and unless someone just once in a while takes it upon him or her self to speak up where ever small or big impact we'll never become informed. We should never stick our heads in the sand and if you don't stand for something you'll stand for nothing.
I just personally wish that history would teach us something, but alas it seems we are doomed to repeat ourselves over and over.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Son Of Odin on September 12, 2012, 01:40:11 am
Maybe we should all just forget 9/11... I mean think about it what purposes does this kind of rememberance day serve?
It serves the architect of evil. He spreads the fear and if he asks the factories produce so much smoke that no one will see what the peasants do, and where the guns are pointed at.
If the last didn't make any sense it's just about keeping people in the grip of fear. Ofc all the people who lost their closest ones in 9/11 will always miss their friends and relatives, but is it really big enough of an attack to be mourned nationally every year for over 10 years?
Yes I'm probably going to hell for laughing at the Nyan eleven and Dolan pic so badly, but my intentions were not to be disrespectful (just to be clear here).
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Nessaj on September 12, 2012, 01:51:59 am
Maybe we should all just forget 9/11... I mean think about it what purposes does this kind of rememberance day serve?
It serves the architect of evil. He spreads the fear and if he asks the factories produce so much smoke that no one will see what the peasants do, and where the guns are pointed at.
If the last didn't make any sense it's just about keeping people in the grip of fear. Ofc all the people who lost their closest ones in 9/11 will always miss their friends and relatives, but is it really big enough of an attack to be mourned nationally every year for over 10 years?
Yes I'm probably going to hell for laughing at the Nyan eleven and Dolan pic so badly, but my intentions were not to be disrespectful (just to be clear here).
If you raise any questions about something such as this, which would be a world shattering view, many people break down (and have). They simply cannot believe that the world isn't set in stone, that we haven't evolved from when senators were backstabbing each other daily in Rome.
It would be better if people could just discuss as civil human beings, then we could get to the bottom of all disputed cases, but sadly they can't, instead they spend so much energy and time trying to fight or censor each other where possible, to find the smallest mistake and use it to disprove everything else, so only the views that conform them in their pre-convinced beliefs are expressed. People are afraid of the uncertain. It is though understandable, human nature and all, but hopefully we'll evolve from it within the current millennia.
You see how many even down voted here and nothing except simple history have been posted. We should never forget our history that is what got us all in this mess to begin with.
(and no one is going to hell for having a laugh about something horrible put in a funny perspective.)
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Son Of Odin on September 12, 2012, 02:40:51 am
Yes the day will not be forgotten. I just meant that people maybe should stop having this birthday of war on terrorism.
I think that the war on terrorism has flipped the coin upside down. Why? You'd think that it was originally started because the governments wanted their people to feel safer, right? Right now it's doing quite the opposite. Producing things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos, and leading to this kind of situation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes couple years back. Yes it was 2005.
This shit is world wide and it's unbelievable how it still affects on us. You can see it especially when you go to the airport for example. Security has higher standards in airports than it ever had before.
Buuut let's not get too serious. This forum is not made for it and I'm too tired to write a good post. So ladies and mentlegen! Louis CK!
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Logen on September 12, 2012, 02:49:45 am
Ok I'll stop posting while my renown is at 666. When it is not 666 anymore I'll start posting again.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: mcdeath on September 12, 2012, 03:14:13 am
I fucking hate you Eu scum or anyone for that matter that can't sympathize for the fact that people died in a terrible accident. It is really fucked up how some of you are treating this like a joke. How would you react if I decide to go and bomb your country and kill thousands of lives? then everyone was saying you deserved it. No one deserves to die unless they are killers themselves.
By Eu scum I don't mean everyone from Europe is scum, I am just talking to the scumbags who feel no sympathy for anything.
Oh and CLOSE THIS THREAD.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Son Of Odin on September 12, 2012, 03:27:26 am
I only saw the other post where there wasn't anything to reply to. Relax. However, it does go to show how you are out to 'nail' people on various subjects, where you postulate one side instead of free critical thinking. Your response to critical thinking has and is always some sort of quick unintelligent comment or opinionated image. Afraid someone will shake your pre-convinced world image?
I argue because I like arguing. Critical thinking has nothing to do with this. There's also a very clear difference between paragraphs I make that are unintelligent comments, most often trolling actually, and those where I state a set of arguments. I'm not really afraid of changing my world view as it is not nearly as clearly defined as that of the next man. And by that I mean that out of all the things people say to me, there are only very few I can witness. Some amount of distrust is quite healthy, at least to avoid brutal desillusions. Out of all the theories, I prefer considering the possibility of each instead of narrowing my mind to one and trying to fit everything in.
I'm not looking to get into an debate regarding what happened at 911, all I did was write a post where I among other things stated I did not support all of the videos, obviously, as there are always mistakes in most documentaries which have have a broad subject to cover, nor do I support ludicrous theories such as missiles or jets being used to fly into the Twin Towers -- but having suffered through your silly posts in the past I felt this one needed to be 'nailed' as you so seem to love. So why the snide attitude? :wink: we're in sync here for once.
I just feel you are drawing hasty conclusions about me out of my posts.
You even your self state in this post that you didn't know anything about WTC7, which is the single most important thing about September 11. How can you even be spreading counter-material without knowing anything about WTC7? :(
I'm not spreading counter-material. If I did, please show it to me.
You can easily be sure that I'll always be there to post something in threads such as these, because it is the right thing to do, to get information out there for people to judge themselves, big and small contributions it doesn't matter, everything helps. September 11 is the single most important thing to happen in our lifetime, it have changed the face of the World, for the worse, we have lost civil liberties in all Countries and still are, we spend almost all of our tax money (53 cents of every dollar in the US goes to Defence Spending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFeduoDWKj4)) on war efforts because now suddenly defence means attacking, pretty much every country violated their constitution regarding the wars as well. There's plenty of red flags and unless someone just once in a while takes it upon him or her self to speak up where ever small or big impact we'll never become informed. We should never stick our heads in the sand and if you don't stand for something you'll stand for nothing.
I just personally wish that history would teach us something, but alas it seems we are doomed to repeat ourselves over and over.
I may not be of active help (past bumping the threads you participated in), but my intentions are certainly not to block you in any way, I think you are doing a great job and your posts are all very well documented and instructive.
I fucking hate you Eu scum or anyone for that matter that can't sympathize for the fact that people died in a terrible accident. It is really fucked up how some of you are treating this like a joke. How would you react if I decide to go and bomb your country and kill thousands of lives? then everyone was saying you deserved it. No one deserves to die unless they are killers themselves.
By Eu scum I don't mean everyone from Europe is scum, I am just talking to the scumbags who feel no sympathy for anything.
Oh and CLOSE THIS THREAD.
About 42000 people died in road traffic accidents in the US in 2001, but nobody speaks about that and joking about it would be unfunny. The 9/11 jokes attack the symbol, not the people that died.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Dezilagel on September 12, 2012, 09:00:05 am
The 9/11 jokes attack the symbol, not the people that died.
Exactly.
The US basically wages "war" across the whole world for fifty years; killing millions of innocents, usurping governments and well, terrorizing the people of these countries.
Then one incident hits the US themselves. They get attacked on their own grounds.
And what happens?
They go completely apeshit, sparking a "war on terror" which would, and still to this day do, consume a ridiculous amount of resources.
And human lives, lets not forget that.
That's what's funny about 9/11. Well, after 10+ years it's not really funny anymore imo, just sad.
We are on the verge of an economic collapse, people are living on the street and abandoned buildings litter the US cities yet billions of dollars are being pumped into completely unnecessary airport security measures, 9/11 memorials and other stuff people have no use for whatsoever. Also of course the aforementioned "war".
I specifically said "9/11 memorials" for a reason: If I'd be one of those that died I'd be rolling over in my grave right now. Wouldn't the best way to honor their deaths be to try and make the world a better place, to realize the consequences of trying to police the world and quit before even more innocent lives are lost? Apparently not, and the memorials just add insult to injury imho by blowing more money into the circus.
To conclude: The loss of innocent lives is tragic, but how the deaths, and the whole 9/11 incident has been abused is even more so.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Tibe on September 12, 2012, 10:44:57 am
By Eu scum I don't mean everyone from Europe is scum, I am just talking to the scumbags who feel no sympathy for anything. Oh and CLOSE THIS THREAD.
I feel sympathy for alot of things, its just that 9/11 is quite distant to me, didnt really affect me. I admit its terrible, but I dont have any personal grief over it. Im really sorry I dont sympathise about the same things as you do, but its also quite ignorant of you to think that since it happened to the US we should all bow our heads and start crying worldwide and everybody who doesnt is a huge scumbag. Either you are trolling or just stupid. :rolleyes:
Let me give you an example. Know anything about Rwandan genocide? In 1994 about 1 million civilians were massacred in less than a week and thrown into some ditch. Do you sympathise for them? I dont think so cause its quite distant to many of us, but its terrible none the less, but we dont bow our heads worldwide for those people.
And PS: I made no jokes about. All I did was give a link of Eddie Griffins standup. He speaks his mind about serius stuff trough humor, something you clearly lack.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on September 12, 2012, 10:55:30 am
I fucking hate you Eu scum or anyone for that matter that can't sympathize for the fact that people died in a terrible accident. It is really fucked up how some of you are treating this like a joke. How would you react if I decide to go and bomb your country and kill thousands of lives? then everyone was saying you deserved it. No one deserves to die unless they are killers themselves.
By Eu scum I don't mean everyone from Europe is scum, I am just talking to the scumbags who feel no sympathy for anything.
Oh and CLOSE THIS THREAD.
9/11 was an accident now? Sigh.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Bjord on September 12, 2012, 11:24:23 am
Just like Bush "accidentally" got to know Osama Bin Laden and the rest of his family and they "accidentally" made business with each other and Bush "accidentally" screwed the whole thing up, resulting in one of the most pissed off and influential families in the Middle East.
It was all such a horrible "accident".
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on September 12, 2012, 12:41:52 pm
A sad day indeed, yet i celebrate it every year. :) :(
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Malaclypse on September 12, 2012, 02:06:36 pm
Just like Bush "accidentally" got to know Osama Bin Laden and the rest of his family and they "accidentally" made business with each other and Bush "accidentally" screwed the whole thing up, resulting in one of the most pissed off and influential families in the Middle East.
It was all such a horrible "accident".
Rich kids getting into a feud, misdirecting their aggression. Good fight.
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: Leshma on September 12, 2012, 02:13:23 pm
Title: Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on September 12, 2012, 05:17:01 pm
Holy fucking thread shitting...
Just wanted to discuss how the "War on Terror" has allowed the government to take away freedoms and rights we've enjoyed since the United States was founded. The jingoistic beat was that "terrorists hate us for our freedoms", so what does the government do? they take away those very freedoms...
Assuming it was terrorists who attacked us on 9/11, they certainly achieved their goal of disrupting our country, changing who we fundamentally are, and generating a lot of support for the anti-American crusade.