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Title: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Maze on January 06, 2011, 01:40:46 am
I know team hitting and horse killing when your teammate is on the horse is bannable on the NA servers, but is stabbing a friendly cav with a spear to stop him from running you over allowed now? Some dont watch where they are going.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: AngryScotsman on January 06, 2011, 01:50:10 am
A poor question. The better question is why is the 'friendly' cavalry running you over. If it's because your an idiot and got in his way, then no. If it's because hes an idiot and has the spacial awareness of a tramp, then yes. If the friendly cav is being forced towards you and has to escape, depends. Ought to remember, horse bumping is in favour of cavalry that use to get bogged down by selfish, inconsiderate 'friendlies' who got in the way of an escape route, only to be jump hammered from behind/shot by some exploiter with a heavy crossbow pre-patch/piked.

Another important fact is CRPG is more like the barbarian fucking horde descending on Rome than medieval combat. Accidents happen, and there are no ranks or discipline.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Hirschblte on January 06, 2011, 02:02:09 am
as light infantry i just want to say:
* i can not hear any horse, whether enemy nor friendly, unless it is say less than 3 mtrs from me (i don't know why, other sounds have a far greater distance, the gdmnd whistle, e.g.)
* i can not look back without turning my whole body and change running direction or use 3rd pers and use the camera key (awful), so i don't, especially not in a brawl.

did you actually never play infantry? i see no chance of avoiding getting "selfishly in the way of friendy cav" because i don not know that there's some approaching; if there's cav approaching me from behind, only the cav knows, until it is too late.

i think it would be different, if you would hear it from a greater distance;
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Viceroy on January 06, 2011, 02:21:08 am
I find it pretty insanely easy to hear cav, both enemy and friendly...  But I use headphones.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Tornkik on January 06, 2011, 02:31:41 am
I'm light cav, and I like FF bumping for two main reasons.

I do still hate when Friendly cav ( or any cav for that reason ) cuts me off, and I end up dying from it.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Hirschblte on January 06, 2011, 02:35:10 am
I find it pretty insanely easy to hear cav, both enemy and friendly...  But I use headphones.
any special sound card or smth?
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Maira on January 06, 2011, 02:41:43 am
I think it's much better for pretty much the same reasons as Torn.

What is sad is that sometimes I'm shooting someone, as HA, that's behind me, so technically I'm not looking ahead. Let's just say accidents happen.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Viceroy on January 06, 2011, 03:08:46 am
any special sound card or smth?

No, my pc is pretty "run-of-the-mill" really. Nvidia 9800GT, normal soundcard...  I do use some really nice turtle beach headphones though.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Seawied on January 06, 2011, 03:11:14 am
I'm light cav, and I like FF bumping for two main reasons.
  • You don't have to maneuver your way through the crowd at spawn. This is good for quickly trying to get behind the enemy line before they assemble.
  • I don't have to worry about Friendly infantry stopping me instantly when someone is chasing me.

I do still hate when Friendly cav ( or any cav for that reason ) cuts me off, and I end up dying from it.

 :rolleyes:
In my opinion, this kind of philosophy should get you banned. "Oh man, I have a horde of peasants in front of me at spawn on Port Assualt! No worries! TRAMPLE THEM ALL!"
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: ViiKOLD on January 06, 2011, 03:22:04 am
:rolleyes:
In my opinion, this kind of philosophy should get you banned. "Oh man, I have a horde of peasants in front of me at spawn on Port Assualt! No worries! TRAMPLE THEM ALL!"
+1
Respect other players and their char classes and don't build a bad image to other cavalry players, that don't share your point of view.

Friendly horse bump adds depthness to cavalry gameplay, as you need to be more aware of surrounding and can't do cheap horse bump on inf fighting your team mates.

to OP:
Hmm... so how about I hit you with a morningstar from a horseback if you accidentaly (or not) hit me or my horse? Does it sounds fair? Rightfull?
You know what we cav experience sometimes? Some ...... at spawn injures or kill our horse, without any f.. reason, he dosn't attack rider, just horse. I've experienced such behaviour before patch, when friendly horse bump wasn't even there. For most of us, horse is the most valuable asset.

So we can make a deal, kill me or my horse if you think that I've intensionaly bumped you, but I'll kill you if you turn your pike on me, simple as that. (sarcasm)

I've made a habbit to ignore such "rightfull" behaviour from some of the players and stop myself from pulling a ravenge, I'm playing to have fun instead of heaving hard fillings to other players. Shit happens, learn to don't care about it.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: ShinySpoons on January 06, 2011, 04:08:52 am
If I'm on my cav and I'm running over team mates constantly, I'm going to expect my horse to die shortly after spawn. There are situations where I'll HAVE to run over teamates or a guy walks into my horse's path (look both ways!). But I would treat it as any other kind of team wounding. It's like a guy who is simply too lazy/incompetent to slash in a way which won't hit a team mate vs. the accidental tk's caused by slashing through dead bodies. If your "team mate" is an idiot, defend yourself in an appropriate manner. I.e stop his horse, but don't try and run it down and kill it.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: cmp on January 06, 2011, 04:20:28 am
:rolleyes:
In my opinion, this kind of philosophy should get you banned. "Oh man, I have a horde of peasants in front of me at spawn on Port Assualt! No worries! TRAMPLE THEM ALL!"
It gets you banned on EU.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Maze on January 06, 2011, 05:01:13 am
+1
Respect other players and their char classes and don't build a bad image to other cavalry players, that don't share your point of view.

Friendly horse bump adds depthness to cavalry gameplay, as you need to be more aware of surrounding and can't do cheap horse bump on inf fighting your team mates.

to OP:
Hmm... so how about I hit you with a morningstar from a horseback if you accidentaly (or not) hit me or my horse? Does it sounds fair? Rightfull?
You know what we cav experience sometimes? Some ...... at spawn injures or kill our horse, without any f.. reason, he dosn't attack rider, just horse. I've experienced such behaviour before patch, when friendly horse bump wasn't even there. For most of us, horse is the most valuable asset.

So we can make a deal, kill me or my horse if you think that I've intensionaly bumped you, but I'll kill you if you turn your pike on me, simple as that. (sarcasm)

I've made a habbit to ignore such "rightfull" behaviour from some of the players and stop myself from pulling a ravenge, I'm playing to have fun instead of heaving hard fillings to other players. Shit happens, learn to don't care about it.

I actually played as a horsemen about 80% of the time I was on before the patch. I'm not sure on upkeep on horses yet so my courser has been shelved. I do know what you are talking about. But i'm not saying to stab out of revenge, i'm saying maybe to stab the plated charger in self defense before and not after it hits you. Some cav ppl just dont care who they run over.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: ViiKOLD on January 06, 2011, 05:06:29 am
Maze, I understand what you mean, but the end result would be worse if you won't simply "let it go" )) Next round that guy might try to injure you, or start pointless polls and etc. at the end nobody benefits from this.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Lamix on January 06, 2011, 06:45:25 am
I've seen no end of cav just running around knocking over own teammates for whatever reason they seem to believe this to be funny. plus too many friendly horses have cost me my life in a 1 on 1 charging in and knocking me down to try and take the kill... the prob is the game is teambased but people aren't they want to be top they want the most kills..
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: ViiKOLD on January 06, 2011, 06:54:49 am
Lamix, horse bumps are no different to other ff, archer do the same, infantry does the same thing, cav is not that special. Really don't see why it need to have a separate treatment.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Helrekkr on January 06, 2011, 08:40:51 am
Can't say i've had any issues with being bumped by friendly cav yet (played on eu_crpg1 for what it's worth).
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Vicious666 on January 06, 2011, 09:01:07 am
trample at spawn at low speed is no dmg at all

so dont be mad ,      but  now this ff  bump     make cav be more tactical , and ppl need to use them better
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Gorath on January 06, 2011, 09:10:54 am
The only thing about horse bumping, FF or otherwise is that it seems it could use a slight toning down.  Not a full blown nerf, but it shouldn't 1-shot someone, peasant/armor or not, regardless of horse.  Now cav might say "NO WE LYK IT" but think about it, even if it only did 50% damage at max, you're still going to get alot of trample kills as people fight since they'll be wounded.  1 shotted from 100% hp from a horse, both friendly and hostile is a bit much.

Just my opinion though, and as such it'll probably be discarded.   :wink:
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Helrekkr on January 06, 2011, 09:13:05 am
I wouldn't mind toning it down a bit. Getting run over repeatedly (until I die if i'm pinned down somewhere by enemy archers for ex) by Finished and his horse is just dumb :P
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Etupetu on January 06, 2011, 10:53:08 am
I think this FF cav bumbing is a good thing becose greater power should have greater responsibility of using it. Like if you use two-hander the sword cuts as easily enemys as it does team mates, so I think this is just reasinoble.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Thomek on January 06, 2011, 11:00:21 am
Well.. I dunno if the friendly cav bumping will make Cav MORE aware. Rather LESS, because they no longer have to steer away from teammates to avoid a full-stop. It's also terrible that they keep bumping people at spawn to get away.

This is bannable on EU, regardless if it damages team or not. It's just utter lack of respect to other players.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Trout4711 on January 06, 2011, 11:13:10 am
I think it's much better for pretty much the same reasons as Torn.

What is sad is that sometimes I'm shooting someone, as HA, that's behind me, so technically I'm not looking ahead. Let's just say accidents happen.

Oh look, my pike is sticking in your horses head!

How did that get there? I don't know, I was looking to the left.

Ah well, accidents happen.


(just polearm all cavalry that is not watching where it is going)
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Draedan on January 06, 2011, 01:13:23 pm
Maze, I understand what you mean, but the end result would be worse if you won't simply "let it go" )) Next round that guy might try to injure you, or start pointless polls and etc. at the end nobody benefits from this.
+1
to both your posts.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Tornkik on January 06, 2011, 05:49:49 pm
:rolleyes:
In my opinion, this kind of philosophy should get you banned. "Oh man, I have a horde of peasants in front of me at spawn on Port Assualt! No worries! TRAMPLE THEM ALL!"


Heh, I didn't say I trample them all, or that they were peasants. I still try to squeeze through them, but if one person gets in the way I don't get completely stopped.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Geranigus on January 06, 2011, 05:57:22 pm
The worst friendly cavalry are the greedy gamers.

Image:

You're fighting someone and suddenly a friendly horseman tramples over
you and the enemy. result: you lost the concentration on the fight and the situation
gives the enemy an advantage if he has a faster weapon than you.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Grey on January 06, 2011, 06:05:38 pm
Im an archer atm mostly, I wear padded leather, got longbow and iron mace or niawodaomowaodao (big 1h knife) and when im in a fight, I DONT NEED HELP: Over half my deaths cause by teammates with 2h/polearm get excited and club me: This seems to happen more since patch, for some reason, but FF HORSE BUMP:

Im a peasant, I carry a bow, I walk about like the lowly scum I am: If you lordship is riding and hits me, tbh, THATS MY FAULT: Im a peon, your a knight, I wouldnt expect knights gave a shit IRL, and why would they now, tbh, I wouldnt either: Stop and swerve, and get hit by enemy persuit, to save a peasant who walked into the road, or ride on over them and save yourself = ITS JUST A PEASANT. When I wanna cross the road, I look both ways, friendly/enemy cav coming, no difference, just stay out of their way, keep your head down, let them do their thing: They arent really a danger if your aware.

NOW: Spawn trample me, or run me over when theres no danger around or I moved for you, but you "aim" for me and run me down, thats fine: but you had better kill me, or you are gonna find that your horse grows bodkins from its ass.

sum up: I get hit by a car cause I ran into the highway, my fault. I let you pass and you still gimme a bump, still my fault, but your gonna catch an arrow. No hard feelings Pony Clubbers, I dont expect any different when I ride.

The only thing about horse bumping, FF or otherwise is that it seems it could use a slight toning down.  Not a full blown nerf, but it shouldn't 1-shot someone, peasant/armor or not, regardless of horse.  Now cav might say "NO WE LYK IT" but think about it, even if it only did 50% damage at max, you're still going to get alot of trample kills as people fight since they'll be wounded.  1 shotted from 100% hp from a horse, both friendly and hostile is a bit much.

Just my opinion though, and as such it'll probably be discarded.   :wink:

I dunno, if a horse ran you down IRL, I dont think you would get up too quick.....remember, we just have "DEAD", not "Really badly broken leg, so he can fight from sitting position" etc, so "unable to fight properly" has to be "dead". I think getting run over by a horse and rider both in armour would stop most people from fighting on.....

I read your sig btw Gorath, and lemme say, PERSONALLY as an archer, I've never been happier: Half the enemy have no armour on! PEW PEW BITCHES!
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Sieve on January 06, 2011, 06:49:49 pm
As a primarily cav guy I try to be extra conscious of friendlies with the new ruleset.  At the spawn if I am not in the front rank I wait for everyone to disperse as much as possible before moving.  I am pretty patient in game, since it is a game and the goal is to have fun.  As cautious as I am there are still times in game when people make last second direction changes or I f*** up and impact is unavoidable.  One thing is certain that if I bump a friendly it is never intentional.  Unfortuantely accidents happen.  Even so, as conscientious(sp?) as I am I still get the occasional person who stabs my horse as soon as we spawn but in the long run they are only hurting themselves since they have just handicapped someone on their own team.

Whats my point, who knows, but let me use this post to apologize in advance to anyone that I might accidentally run into in the future.  :wink:
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Draedan on January 06, 2011, 07:20:35 pm
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Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Memento_Mori on January 06, 2011, 07:28:41 pm
As a primarily cav guy I try to be extra conscious of friendlies with the new ruleset.  At the spawn if I am not in the front rank I wait for everyone to disperse as much as possible before moving.  I am pretty patient in game, since it is a game and the goal is to have fun.  As cautious as I am there are still times in game when people make last second direction changes or I f*** up and impact is unavoidable.  One thing is certain that if I bump a friendly it is never intentional.  Unfortuantely accidents happen.  Even so, as conscientious(sp?) as I am I still get the occasional person who stabs my horse as soon as we spawn but in the long run they are only hurting themselves since they have just handicapped someone on their own team.

Whats my point, who knows, but let me use this post to apologize in advance to anyone that I might accidentally run into in the future.  :wink:


I'm sorry too if I stabbed your horse :(
forgives? I wont stab no more friendly cav guys for running me over no matter how badly it pisses me off.
Been noticing a lot of armoured horses just bolting out at the spawn knocking 5-6 people in light armor down I realize not all cav players do this but the ones who do really ruin that round for those 5-6 people who are now left with half health.. or less.
Lets all try and be a little more considerate to our friendly players and take our anger out on the enemy.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Grey on January 06, 2011, 07:30:03 pm
As a primarily cav guy I try to be extra conscious of friendlies with the new ruleset.  At the spawn if I am not in the front rank I wait for everyone to disperse as much as possible before moving.  I am pretty patient in game, since it is a game and the goal is to have fun.  As cautious as I am there are still times in game when people make last second direction changes or I f*** up and impact is unavoidable.  One thing is certain that if I bump a friendly it is never intentional.  Unfortuantely accidents happen.  Even so, as conscientious(sp?) as I am I still get the occasional person who stabs my horse as soon as we spawn but in the long run they are only hurting themselves since they have just handicapped someone on their own team.

Whats my point, who knows, but let me use this post to apologize in advance to anyone that I might accidentally run into in the future.  :wink:

+1. Thats my point: Most times when a friendly bumps you its cause he is fighting someone off, taking evasive, etc, so I take my life as MY responsibility: I avoid the numbskulls who swing their polearms in spawn "TO TEST THE SPEED, LULZ, SRY I TK 3 OF U", and when in the field, avoiding getting horsecrushed is MY responsibility: The guy who posted above about how he cant hear horses properly: Check your sound cards name (maker + model), visit their official website and get yourself the newest drivers, I hear horses from FAR, they get louder, I always have time to use ~ tilde key to spot them, and if they are an enemy, or a friend HA rideing while not looking forward, shooting, etc, I take action to not get crushed. Obviously in the heat of battle, archers and non polearms inf should NOT be alone in open ground, else you ARE gonna get run over, and most likely lanced from behind, no matter how well aware of enemies you are, so it goes without saying: Chicken runs into the highway, its gonna get hit by a car...
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Ronish on January 06, 2011, 08:12:35 pm
I dunno, if a horse ran you down IRL, I dont think you would get up too quick.....remember, we just have "DEAD", not "Really badly broken leg, so he can fight from sitting position" etc, so "unable to fight properly" has to be "dead". I think getting run over by a horse and rider both in armour would stop most people from fighting on.....

If not nerf the dmg from getting run down by a horse, at least also make riders take dmg when they are thrown from their dead horse. Maybe even have the dmg taken scale with horse's armor/bump dmg. If taking a nose dive with your dead horse doesn't kill you right off, you're certainly not getting up soon. Dmg need not be that much, but it would certainly be realistic.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Sieve on January 06, 2011, 09:03:25 pm
lol I get in game shortly after posting and as I'm riding a friendly in front and off to the right of me suddenly changes direction and runs right toward me.  I quickly took evasive action slowing my beast and barely bumped him but he decides to kill my horse anyway.  Ooh well...I guess this is just going to be the way it is unless they take it out completely.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Kophka on January 06, 2011, 09:14:26 pm
I had to sit back and watch as one of our best archers got jumped and killed by enemies. I could have saved his ass, and helped our team win the game, but I was too nervous about bumping him trying to save him.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Sieve on January 06, 2011, 11:06:39 pm
lol I have been in the same boat.  Or even if you managed to not bump him and save the day he would probably have freaked cause you stole his kills.   Some times you just cant win :?

On another note I wish we all got assists for damage to enemies.  Can't tell you how many enemies I have knocked down or damaged severely allowing a friendly to get an easy kill.  Archers probably run across that as well I guess, soften up targets for the rest of us to finish off.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: PikeDan on January 06, 2011, 11:22:23 pm
My biggest issue is when I accidentally horsebump somebody and they kill my horse on purpose. "LOL YOU SHOULD HAVE WATCHED WHERE YOU'RE GOING my old friend" is not a proper response to "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cav-bump you, but I was running from Gaga's lance of doom with my palfrey when it has nearly no health left."

If it's not obvious, NA guy here. I don't know what the situation is on EU, because I try not to play there due to horribad lag.

If I cav-bump out of spawn, rape the shit out of my horse, I probably deserve it, but if I'm trying to cav-bump an enemy for you, or lance a tin-can when you're a peasant, I'd appreciate a modicum of civility. I'm not a heavy Cav, I'm Light Cav, My horse can't take five arrows to the flank and live.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: Vaxican on January 07, 2011, 02:01:25 am
Most of the time I leave my spawn with 80% health due to friendly horse trample. Also got a kicked from a server for killing the mount of a team mate who trampled 6 friendlies out of spawn. As a spearman my new policy is to stab the shit out of any horse that bears down on me. If they're in range of getting stabbed they are too close, friendly or enemy.
Title: Re: Question about horse friendly bumping
Post by: FICO on January 07, 2011, 02:07:45 am
to sum it up:
IRL there were some defeats caused by overconfident knights charging through their own lines

in games there is one BIG rule. try not to be an asshole. i can forgive you if my team lose 10 times because of your bad decisions. you tried your best. but if you're an asshole you deserve to be punished