cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: darmaster on August 30, 2012, 08:03:37 pm
Title: enough is enough
Post by: darmaster on August 30, 2012, 08:03:37 pm
so replace "snakes" with "archers" and "plane" with "mod".
can't stand it anymore: i mean it on EU_4 but even on EU_1 these motherfucking ranged are everywhere, even on those fucking horses.. and just a question, how the fuck am i supposed to kill an HA excluding an HA? do something seriously, nerf their fucking acceleration (can't fucking run everywhere) and REMOVE THAT SURREAL HORSE CALLED "ARABIAN WARHORSE" pls
Title: Re: enough is enough
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 30, 2012, 08:43:00 pm
can't stand it anymore: i mean it on EU_4 but even on EU_1 these motherfucking ranged are everywhere, even on those fucking horses.. and just a question, how the fuck am i supposed to kill an HA excluding an HA? do something seriously, nerf their fucking acceleration (can't fucking run everywhere) and REMOVE THAT SURREAL HORSE CALLED "ARABIAN WARHORSE" pls
Question: What class type are you? 2H? Shielder? Pole?
Either way, against HA's your team's ranged/cav/throwers/xbows are meant to deal with it. If you are melee, and I'm guessing you are, you're not supposed to be able to 1vs1 on a level playing field with an HA. Their damage output is pretty low but they are designed to stay the fuck away and piss you off. Fraid all I can say is deal with it, or get an xbow or throwing axes. Teamplay is important as well.
Title: Re: enough is enough
Post by: BASNAK on August 30, 2012, 08:48:28 pm
Title: Re: enough is enough
Post by: Renegat on August 30, 2012, 09:15:24 pm
Darmaster, just give up, most of poeple who write on this forum are trolls, or stupid/childish, or can't see farer than their own interest. Just wait and hope for some changes. This forum is not made for players who want to exchange their view, nor a way to discuss with admin/devs.
Title: Re: enough is enough
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 30, 2012, 09:19:47 pm
Darmaster, just give up, most of poeple who write on this forum are trolls, or stupid/childish, or can't see farer than their own interest. Just wait and hope for some changes. This forum is not made for players who want to exchange their view, nor a way to discuss with admin/devs.
So you mean, like people whining about a class instead of changing the way they play?
Thanks for backing me up.
Some of us forum whores have been around long enough to know that a lot of the time people just bitch and complain about a class, even though there's no problem with that class or play style. They whine because they don't like something in game, and instead of overcoming the problem like a normal person would (using common sense, and changing their tactics up to combat the enemy) they whine to the dev's until something gets nerfed.
C-rpg is balanced, the classes don't need to be nerfed or buffed. And yes, I will continue to make fun of people who are too stupid to change their tactics to overcome a challenge they encounter in the game.
I'm sorry that you are running around with a 2h or Polearm and (no ranged or shield) and you cry because you are vulnerable to ranged. That's the way the game works. You can lessen your weaknesses by sticking with teammates (preferably ones with shields or ranged weapons). Or you can keep doing the same thing over and over, and crying when the same result happens every time.
Title: Re: enough is enough
Post by: sF_Guardian on August 30, 2012, 09:19:58 pm
Darmaster, just give up, most of poeple who write on this forum are trolls, or stupid/childish, or can't see farer than their own interest. Just wait and hope for some changes. This forum is not made for players who want to exchange their view, nor a way to discuss with admin/devs.
Its not that we dont see the probs, at least me but its the way he expresses his feelings. You just cant take it serious if you read that shit. To make a proper suggestion keep the retarded emotions out of it and stay objective, dont sound like a Italian Gigolo ( Mama, mamaaaaaaaaa :cry:). The problems with archers and cav are obvious and made me pretty much stop playin actively but please, please dont point it out like Darmaster above.
Title: Re: enough is enough
Post by: Bjord on August 30, 2012, 09:51:44 pm
Darmaster, just give up, most of poeple who write on this forum are trolls, or stupid/childish, or can't see farer than their own interest. Just wait and hope for some changes. This forum is not made for players who want to exchange their view, nor a way to discuss with admin/devs.
agree with you; anyway i'm an hoplite, i'm using a shield so i can whine for archers. you guys just say i'm whiner as others, but i don't really mean if you're serious or what saying that ranged are not a cancer in this game (as now) and HA aren't a desease. anyway as renegat said, you can't discuss with people on this forum
Title: Re: enough is enough
Post by: Renegat on August 30, 2012, 10:13:21 pm
Those last months i made several posts, with arguments of course, to show how NOT funny the situation on crpg_1 is. In answer from players, i had posts like "L2P NUB" or just affirmations without any arguments to prove their view, and none from devs/admin or whatever (apart from paul in a laconic post who said that the amount of cav/archers on eu_1 is totally ok (i would rather have no answer)). So no, you can't have any serious discussions on this forum. And about the thread, just come and play 1 or 2 hours on EU_1. I defy anyone playing infantry to say pure stupid bullshits like "the amount of cav/archers on eu_1 is totally ok".
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I'm sorry that you are running around with a 2h or Polearm and (no ranged or shield) and you cry because you are vulnerable to ranged.
I'm a shielder and darmaster is an hoplite (so he has a shield) ;)
That's the way the game works. You can lessen your weaknesses by sticking with teammates (preferably ones with shields or ranged weapons). Or you can keep doing the same thing over and over, and crying when the same result happens every time.
Well, that's useless when 5 or more HA/lancers are turning around you ... I played at the same time as darmaster this afternoon, so i can explain what made him that angry : On one of chagan map, something like 15-20 of us were still alive, about 6 in the ennemie team. What happened? We stuck together, as you adviced, but the only players remaing in the other were lancers/HA and 1 ranged. At the end, we all died while 3 of them were still alive. We had some pikemen and ranged, but ranged got shot to piece by HA and pikes were unable to catch cav (they weren't bad, just that cav can dodge/avoid pikes pretty easily when they use an arabian). This situation was not the only one of course, just showing by one exemple how it is to "play" crpg nowadays
Title: Re: enough is enough
Post by: Miwiw on August 30, 2012, 10:19:26 pm
That's life. Oh wait, it's a game.
Your argument might be you have a shield. Even with a shield that does not mean you cannot die! Not sure if you understand that, but usually whenever I'm attacking a shielder with my HA char I can only kill him on close range when he tries to stab me. Either he stabs me and I die or I manage to shoot him and he loses some hp.
This game is not meant to be easy. It has never been. It shouldn't be fair either. We noticed that since beta times. Classes do not have to be balanced in certain ways.
If your 15-20 ppl team got killed by 6 guys, what do you think? Blame certain classes? I rather think you just sucked. And that is okay. This game is 100% about skill. Anything else does not matter.
Another thing: You are obviously only counting the moments where YOU lose. You never count the moments where you WIN. It seems like that.
Title: Re: enough is enough
Post by: Tibe on August 30, 2012, 10:32:29 pm
What Latrinenkobold said was a pretty good thing. I went like that aswell once. 2h/thrower hybrid. Smashed runaway archers in the back and ran behind a teammate who used a shield for cover if it got too hot. Currently I went light armor with 2h and 7 ath. I rarely get shot now and I can catch up to most archers in a blink of an eye.
So yea....im more than certain its still the matter of L2P. Cause I play alot of 2h melee and you dont see me complainin......................much.
Im starting to think that these massive QQers are players who are lazy bums and really dont want to adobt to different tactics and classes, but just like to stick to one thing only.
Title: Re: enough is enough
Post by: Renegat on August 30, 2012, 10:34:38 pm
Your argument might be you have a shield. Even with a shield that does not mean you cannot die! Not sure if you understand that, but usually whenever I'm attacking a shielder with my HA char I can only kill him on close range when he tries to stab me. Either he stabs me and I die or I manage to shoot him and he loses some hp.
Ok, i will be a bit tougher : We didn't complain about archery being OP or anyone being OP. We complained about the number of archers, the number of cav. In this way, your exemple here is totally useless. A pertinent one would have been to your shielder against 3 HA (we're complaining about the NUMBER, not about op HA are. Understood?
This game is not meant to be easy. It has never been. It shouldn't be fair either. We noticed that since beta times. Classes do not have to be balanced in certain ways.
Of course it's not meant to be easy, but it's a game, so it has to be fun for everyone. And as far as i see, it's not fun for everyone atm
If your 15-20 ppl team got killed by 6 guys, what do you think? Blame certain classes? I rather think you just sucked. And that is okay. This game is 100% about skill. Anything else does not matter.
Oh? so the game is 100% about skills? I think that's the first time someone dare saying that x) So a couchwhore lancer who get 15 kills in a row by only couching is as skilled as a shielder/2h/pole who get 15 kills in a row? So his 15 kills by couching are made totally thx to his amazing skills for pressing x and running straight ahead, and not because couching one shot everything? Oh and i was among those 15-20 guys, so hearding that i suck from someone like you is pretty surprising :s
Title: Re: enough is enough
Post by: Youhou on August 30, 2012, 10:38:33 pm
This game is not meant to be easy. It has never been. It shouldn't be fair either. We noticed that since beta times. Classes do not have to be balanced in certain ways.
Lets add arrowproof platearmors again
Title: Re: enough is enough
Post by: Miwiw on August 30, 2012, 10:45:52 pm
@ Renegat:
Well, that's true. You didn't directly complain about classes themselves. But if 3 HA attack someone, it does of course mean 3x the amount of arrows... something has to hit then.
The thing simply is that a higher amount of cav or archers is getting noticed by everyone. They are, lets say "different" than infantry. Infantry is "normal" in crpg, they are the "main" class. No one would say a word if this game only had infantry players. Okay, maybe people would start to complain about throwers then, as they have some range. Or pikers due to range. Who knows. I am not sure how to solve a "problem" with too many players of one class...
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Oh and i was among those 15-20 guys, so hearding that i suck from someone like you is pretty surprising :s
:D maybe "suck" was a too hard word. You don't suck, you ain't a bad player. I rather meant your team as a whole was not as good as the other team at that time. It often happens that less people kill the bigger team. And why shouldn't that happen? Amount doesn't always win after all. :)
Title: Re: enough is enough
Post by: Overdriven on August 30, 2012, 11:41:14 pm
Well, that's useless when 5 or more HA/lancers are turning around you ... I played at the same time as darmaster this afternoon, so i can explain what made him that angry : On one of chagan map, something like 15-20 of us were still alive, about 6 in the ennemie team. What happened? We stuck together, as you adviced, but the only players remaing in the other were lancers/HA and 1 ranged. At the end, we all died while 3 of them were still alive. We had some pikemen and ranged, but ranged got shot to piece by HA and pikes were unable to catch cav (they weren't bad, just that cav can dodge/avoid pikes pretty easily when they use an arabian). This situation was not the only one of course, just showing by one exemple how it is to "play" crpg nowadays
Ok, i will be a bit tougher : We didn't complain about archery being OP or anyone being OP. We complained about the number of archers, the number of cav. In this way, your exemple here is totally useless. A pertinent one would have been to your shielder against 3 HA (we're complaining about the NUMBER, not about op HA are. Understood?
I'm sorry either you're grossly exaggerating or you all really really did suck. 20 inf/ranged who are sticking together getting wiped by 6 lancers/HA? Please. Either you were all soloing all over the map, your 'sticking together' meant that you were all chasing after one lancer in circles whilst ignoring half the others or you all just plain sucked. In no way should a ranged player get caught by HA or lancers if they are sticking close to pikeman/hoplite, particularly hoplite with the shield protection against HA. Even then it's piss easy as light ranged to dodge past a lance and that gives you time to move closer to team mates to protect you, even against arabians. As for against HA's. It's a similar situation, sidestep and shoot ffs. Arabians are a pain but they aren't that amazing that timing a frikkin sidestep (not hard) doesn't avoid them if they try to bump you. And then there's no real excuse for not being able to avoid an arrow and shoot back. So yeah your ranged players bloody failed. Darmaster evidently failed as a hoplite to. He should have been protecting those ranged. The only way to explain this situation you outlined is a massive failing in skill levels on that team and that your sticking together meant a loosely clumped group running around like headless chickens. It certainly can't be an argument about numbers which brings me to next point.
Contradiction alert. You're insisting you're only complaining against the number of archers/cav yet your example of why darmaster raged was a 20 vs 6 situation? Sorry but that doesn't add up. The only way your example makes sense is if you're complaining about them being OP.
Edit: And please stop replying in quotes. It makes it a pain to have to quote you. Reply like a normal person.
Oh? so the game is 100% about skills? I think that's the first time someone dare saying that x) So a couchwhore lancer who get 15 kills in a row by only couching is as skilled as a shielder/2h/pole who get 15 kills in a row? So his 15 kills by couching are made totally thx to his amazing skills for pressing x and running straight ahead, and not because couching one shot everything?
O and just because. Couch lancing 15 people in a row? I'd say that's pretty effing skillful. I suck at couching (I'm more likely to hit a team mate or miss stupidly) and I know that I could kill steal 15 kills in a row with my hoplite build far easier than I can couch lance.
Title: Re: enough is enough
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 30, 2012, 11:53:52 pm
The amount of archers now (at least on NA1) isn't more than it was a year ago, but we haven't seen these numbers of archers for at least 6 months, probably closer to 8. So people were used to having only 5-10% of the people on the server as an archer. Now that we're seeing the numbers closer to what they should have been all along (I'd estimate closer to 25-30%) people are bitching and complaining.
Title: Re: enough is enough
Post by: Adamar on August 31, 2012, 12:06:49 am
Just came back from EU 1 and melee infantry is still the dominating class.
Title: Re: enough is enough
Post by: cmp on August 31, 2012, 12:10:53 am
Enough is enough! Stop with the uninformative topic titles.