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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Grumbs on August 25, 2012, 03:29:12 am
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What are people's thoughts on this? I have started taking an unloomed Light Crossbow and Steel Bolts along with my polearm (its only 2 slots for xbow and ammo). It weighs about the same as a 1 skill shield and seems to dish out some good damage. Good for stopping horses and for medium range shooting.
I think it is a little too strong for what is essentially just some extra repair costs and minor weight. When you think about it too, I could put a bunch of wpf into crossbow without really sacrificing much in melee since melee wpf doesn't really add much to your melee capability past a certain point. I noticed looming the crossbow/bolts adds some great stats too
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fuck you for ruining voice spamming
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Fuck Grumbs.
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One time during a siege server when I just had a nodachi equiped. A teammate of mine died while shooting at people on the siege tower. I picked up their arbalist (spelling?) and I killed someone. Then I got my face slashed because I had to drop my nodachi to use it. The End
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Increase the minimum WPF requirement and make it unusable without it.
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i would not call a light xbow powerful.
it takes two hits for peasants and 3+ for someone with a bit more armour.
plus, with 1 wpf you have a quite high repair chance (mine was around 60%).
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The point of xbows is, that they are easy-to-use weapons. Every idiot can shoot with one, thats why you can use it without any wpf. If you have enough strength you can pick up any melee weapon and use it, just not very good.
And if you've ever played with 130+ wpf in xbow you know that with 1 wpf its not that good. Its a weapon for idiots, just like an ak47 is nowadays weapon for every dumbass.
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Don't think its 60%. I've had whole games where it didn't break once. Its probably in the 12% region each minute, like I believe melee is without any WPF.
When I don't need to charge I can be shooting and reloading without impacting my overall affect on the round, while still having some semi random damage output. I've one shot plenty of guys with headshots, sometimes with body shots. Shot plenty of horses, got people dehorsed or just weakened them
At short ish range its quite effective on people who aren't expecting it. At medium range it's quite random, but if you aren't doing anything else a chance of a hit that does some damage is better than nothing. You need to use it while ranged are still exchanging shots and there isn't a melee yet, or otherwise keep it as a backup weapon. Fire into a crowd and chances are you will hit something. Eventhough reloading is pretty quick, you don't want to spend too long on reloading to the point were you aren't helping your team though, which can get to be a problem if you neglect your main role.
I don't really feel theres a good reason NOT to carry the xbow if you have 2 slots free, unless you spend all round using it and don't play to your main strengths. The only thing is upkeep really, and I don't really take much notice of it. Theres no restriction to my unloomed light crossbow either. The masterwork arbalasts I see lying around can be worth picking up for a quick shot too
The point of xbows is, that they are easy-to-use weapons. Every idiot can shoot with one, thats why you can use it without any wpf. If you have enough strength you can pick up any melee weapon and use it, just not very good.
And if you've ever played with 130+ wpf in xbow you know that with 1 wpf its not that good. Its a weapon for idiots, just like an ak47 is nowadays weapon for every dumbass.
Well you can say that about a lot of things in the game. Any idiot can pick up a throwing spear IRL. Anyone could jump on a horse if it was nearby and willing to take a rider. If you saw a bow on the ground and it wasn't a hard bow like Longbow then you could use it. Realism isn't a main focus on the game anyway, its all about the balance 90% of the time. I mean even crossbows aren't particularly realistic in the first place. You stand with a perfectly steady aim, no sight movement..reload while riding a horse etc
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fuck you for ruining voice spamming
Fuck Grumbs.
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If all you use is a sword/polearm, bringing a crossbow and steel bolts is a freeroll (if you don't care about upkeep). You won't be able to make any long distance shots, or have pinpoint accuracy but at close to medium distance it is accurate enough to shoot.
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If all you use is a sword/polearm, bringing a crossbow and steel bolts is a freeroll (if you don't care about upkeep).
Doesn't work if you have a non sheatable weapon...
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I was able to kill something with weakest crossbow and 1 wpf but also I was able to kill something with short falchion and 1wpf.
But I also used 12/24 archer with 140 wpf in archery + tatar bow and some guy with light or hunting crossbow reloaded and fired faster then me.
So crossbows are weird. Low tier are so damn fast with high wpf and top tier are to effective for not having any special skill to invest in.
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At 1 wpf you pay the upkeep every round...
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At 1 wpf you pay the upkeep every round...
I don't, nowhere near. In anycase balance by upkeep is kind of a bad concept imo, for giving someone ranged damage at least
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I've played ith xbows for 3 gens and I can say that this weapon is much more harder to play than it loks at first glance.
I like this weapon IRL, but it don't worth to play with. Now I prefer a spear as secondary weapon.
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Anyone (with str) can use it, but it is slow to reload. It is a balance to the cav and dedicated range since anyone can use a ranged item this way. Don't mess with it.
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What are people's thoughts on this? I have started taking an unloomed Mace along with my xbow (its only 3 slots for arbalest and ammo). It weighs about the same as a 2nd bag of bolts and seems to dish out some good damage. Good for killing people who sneak up on me from behind.
I think it is a little too strong for what is essentially just some extra repair costs and minor weight. When you think about it too, I could put a bunch of wpf into 2hand without really sacrificing much in xbows since xbow wpf doesn't really add much to your accuracy capability past a certain point. I noticed looming the mace adds some great stats too
:lol:
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Eh.... mace got nerfed. Used to be fun (faster) but now I dont even use it. Sold off my loomed one and so did a several others who used to use it. Several one handers that are cheaper and have knockdown or higher damage that are better now.
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add powerdraw or create an Attribute called crossbow !
Crossbowmen need to make choice: melee or ranged as should already do the archers
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At 1 wpf you pay the upkeep every round...
Don't equip bolts. Your xbow will come loaded with 1 bolt only for the round beginning. Then just loot and shoot when you see them.
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add powerdraw or create an Attribute called crossbow !
Crossbowmen need to make choice: melee or ranged as should already do the archers
if the problem is people that use the crossbows with 1 WPF.... then why not just make a WPF requirement
"Hunting crossbow 60 WPF required"
"Light crossbow 90 WPF required"
"Crossbow 110 WPF required"
"Heavy Crossbow 120 required"
"Arbalest 140 required"
Just an example of what could be done if that is even possible
would force people to actually place stats into "Crossbows" even if its just weapon proficiency, crossbows were ment to be easier to use than bows.
Longbowmen trained their whole life to beable to shoot something ac and effectively,
Crossbowmen trained after a few instructions on how to load it and the idea that a unexperianced crossbower can shoot about as effectly as a well trained bowmen - which is why it was outlawed by the pope lol
but for game balance add WPF requirements imo... but my opinion is worthless :cry:
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Don't equip bolts. Your xbow will come loaded with 1 bolt only for the round beginning. Then just loot and shoot when you see them.
One stack of bolts costs 13 gold to upkeep.. not much to save for all that hazzle..
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When you choose a xbow to play with you usually give up a lot of mobility on the battlefield. Also arba is not nearly as effective as it used to be - for dedicated xbow.
Archers use a little tiny hammer or a frickin sickle to block 2h swords and cleavers, why cant a inf carry a similar idiotic sidearm?
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At 1 wpf you pay the upkeep every round...
One stack of bolts costs 13 gold to upkeep.. not much to save for all that hazzle..
Nice job destroying any point that you may have had to make.