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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Malevolent_Warlord on August 24, 2012, 03:01:52 pm

Title: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: Malevolent_Warlord on August 24, 2012, 03:01:52 pm

I like creating different classes and different looking characters. I like to look like a viking / rus warrior / samurai / middle eastern / western knight / armored knight and use weapons that suit those styles.

The problem is stats. If I want to look like a 14th century western knight I can find transitional armor and helmet that looks nice and a nice shield. OK... but the best weapon that I can suite for this is warhammer. I would like to use flanged mace, but with its 25 blunt it simply sucks.

For an 13-14th century middle-eastern knight I can find armors ok, but iron mace or arabian sword again suck with stats. Yet again a few items that aren't used because of their stats?
Who uses military pick when u can get steel pick? Why use iron battle axe when u have iron war axe? Many low level 2h axes that look nice are not used because they suck in stats.

Most of the lighter and cheaper equipment look nice, but often are totally unused, because of their stats. I got money to do all kinds of characters, but what pisses me off that some equipment that look nice sucks badly in stats.

This problem is the same with many other games. Once u have the money u don't use items with poor stats and those nice looking items get unused. 90% of the items are just waste, when they could bring more life into this game. I want to use all items, but I don't want to suffer from significantly poor stats. Same with armors. I also would like to use armored horses with poorer stats and look awesome. I would like to look like an armored archer instead of a peasant in rags, not breaking the gamebalance of course.

Looks is everything.

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: Gurnisson on August 24, 2012, 03:13:10 pm

Quote from: Malevolent_Warlord on August 24, 2012, 03:01:52 pm

I would like to use flanged mace, but with its 25 blunt it simply sucks.

Stopped reading there. Flanged Mace is an epic weapon and a great one-hander. Also, military pick loses 1 speed and 2 damage, but has the length advantage over the steel pick.

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: Andswaru on August 24, 2012, 03:34:02 pm

I used a simple nordic sword for 2 generations and frankly you still need to 3/4 hit someone with it like any other one handedsword in +3 mode. Its mainly just physcological imo.

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on August 24, 2012, 03:44:19 pm

Quote from: Gurnisson on August 24, 2012, 03:13:10 pm

Stopped reading there. Flanged Mace is an epic weapon and a great one-hander. Also, military pick loses 1 speed and 2 damage, but has the length advantage over the steel pick.

So, if you stopped reading  right there why are you replying to a later part of his post?  :|

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: HUtH on August 24, 2012, 04:32:12 pm

imho these worse and cheaper weapons are used by many shooters and support classes, and it's obvious that if you're pure shielder/2h or pole duelist, you will use better stuff, dedicated for you.

and all that bloody small and short maces have that stupid knockback, and you're telling me that they suck, oh please

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: DarkFox on August 24, 2012, 05:00:01 pm

Upkeep is useless, it forces new players to grind and does nothing to old players. I can play with 50k knight equip and still make money. No surprise that cheap equipment is unused.

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: rustyspoon on August 24, 2012, 05:07:22 pm

Totally disagree. A lot of the cheaper gear is WAY better than the more expensive stuff.

I also find it funny that you are complaining about 1-handers in particular. The entire 1-h range is incredibly well-balanced amongst itself. You could make a good argument for using any weapon in the 1-h range.

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: Lange on August 24, 2012, 06:33:07 pm

Quote from: Gurnisson on August 24, 2012, 03:13:10 pm

Flanged Mace is an epic weapon and a great one-hander.

It's actually better than both the iron mace and the winged mace, and for less upkeep.

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: Teeth on August 24, 2012, 07:01:12 pm

Especially the 1h class you mention has so much extremely viable weapons. Everything in the top regions is really well balanced and everything has its use, ofcourse when taking price into account.

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: Rebelyell on August 25, 2012, 12:01:01 am

Quote from: Zlisch_The_Butcher on August 24, 2012, 03:44:19 pm

So, if you stopped reading  right there why are you replying to a later part of his post?  :|

WIN

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: LordRichrich on August 25, 2012, 02:16:21 pm

Yeah, I want to play as a nomadic, hence I want to use the leather covered round shield. but it SUCKS. No point in such low teir shields anymore, give it some decent stats, please

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: HUtH on August 25, 2012, 03:09:11 pm

so use fur covered shield... or some heraldic and choose some "nomadic"(whatever that means) banner

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: Kastu on August 25, 2012, 11:19:38 pm

At least buff long dagger!

 e: Sorry wrong thread

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: Leshma on August 25, 2012, 11:40:58 pm

Quote from: rustyspoon on August 24, 2012, 05:07:22 pm

You could make a good argument for using any weapon in the 1-h range.

Try this one.

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 :lol:

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 26, 2012, 12:18:29 am

It's uh, um... Camouflaged, yeah that's it! Camouflaged.  :rolleyes:

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: isatis on August 26, 2012, 12:27:56 am

unkeep

and surprise

oh and style!

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: HarunYahya on August 26, 2012, 12:33:25 am

Quote from: Gurnisson on August 24, 2012, 03:13:10 pm

Stopped reading there. Flanged Mace is an epic weapon and a great one-hander. Also, military pick loses 1 speed and 2 damage, but has the length advantage over the steel pick.

You should read the rest because the man speaks truth !

Problem about cRPG is :
It has items of 9th Century-15th Century

You can be this:

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Or this at the same time:

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And since you can kill a guy in milanese plate armor (15th century knight) with 9th century frankish sword or voulge in cRPG , shit happens.

In 15th century knights were using picks to pierce armor and penetrate flesh directly or hammers,poleaxes,mauls to daze and knockback the enemy knight because with swords you couldn't do anything against them.
In cRPG you can kill a guy in plate armor very easily with a wooden staff...

Arrows from horn bow penetrates armor , there are people in mamluke mail who use huscarl shield and katana etc...

Somethings are sadly inevitable my friend.
There is no way to perfectly balance this mod .
Playerbase in this mod likes to be viking or saracen or templar in jerusalem or samurai in kyoto or longbowmen in agincourt or horsearcher in steppes or a wealthy and famous knight and some people wants to be them all at the same.

Now , since i introduced the main problem i'll connect this issue with this topic's case.
Late period armors are not protecting player from early period weapons as intended.
Late period armors are expensive and thier high upkeep makes it very hard to use continously
Late period armors are very heavy which turns you into useless shining target which moves very slow and deal far less damage because of wpf penalty.
Of course they add to your survivability very much but not as much as it should .
Therefore most of the people don't use them.

Now the catchy part,
Late period weapons are op.
They are meant to kill the guy who wears that period's armor.
They deal very high damage no matter what you wear
They are fast
They are masterpieces of steel weapon era which is the last melee weapon era in history.
They are expensive and it is hard to play with them continiously because of their upkeep but because of their advantages people use those weapons.

Since it is a competetive multiplayer game , people simply abuse the foul spots of this mod.
For example i am wearing mamluke mail carrying huscarl's shield and using steel pick.
Because mamluke mail gives me sufficient protection , huscarl shield reacts same to 15th century weapons as it reacts to simple viking weapons, steel pick kills anyone easily
This is how we all fuck this game up.


Nerfing late period weapons would be idiotic because they work as intended
Buffing late period armor is a must to solve this problem.
But if devs buff late period armor it will render %90 of the current armors useless and this will make %90 of the playerbase unhappy.


TL;DR: There is no way to solve this issue, if you want to play with useless gear to satisfy your RP will go for it but don't expect much.

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: rustyspoon on August 26, 2012, 05:45:10 am

Quote from: Leshma on August 25, 2012, 11:40:58 pm

Try this one.

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 :lol:

Why, for practicing daggering of course!  :mrgreen:

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: Turboflex on August 26, 2012, 06:04:20 am

Quote from: koyama on August 26, 2012, 12:33:25 am

You should read the rest because the man speaks truth !

Problem about cRPG is :
It has items of 9th Century-15th Century

(click to show/hide)

And since you can kill a guy in milanese plate armor (15th century knight) with 9th century frankish sword or voulge in cRPG , shit happens.

In 15th century knights were using picks to pierce armor and penetrate flesh directly or hammers,poleaxes,mauls to daze and knockback the enemy knight because with swords you couldn't do anything against them.
In cRPG you can kill a guy in plate armor very easily with a wooden staff...

Arrows from horn bow penetrates armor , there are people in mamluke mail who use huscarl shield and katana etc...

Somethings are sadly inevitable my friend.
There is no way to perfectly balance this mod .
Playerbase in this mod likes to be viking or saracen or templar in jerusalem or samurai in kyoto or longbowmen in agincourt or horsearcher in steppes or a wealthy and famous knight and some people wants to be them all at the same.

Now , since i introduced the main problem i'll connect this issue with this topic's case.
Late period armors are not protecting player from early period weapons as intended.
Late period armors are expensive and thier high upkeep makes it very hard to use continously
Late period armors are very heavy which turns you into useless shining target which moves very slow and deal far less damage because of wpf penalty.
Of course they add to your survivability very much but not as much as it should .
Therefore most of the people don't use them.

Now the catchy part,
Late period weapons are op.
They are meant to kill the guy who wears that period's armor.
They deal very high damage no matter what you wear
They are fast
They are masterpieces of steel weapon era which is the last melee weapon era in history.
They are expensive and it is hard to play with them continiously because of their upkeep but because of their advantages people use those weapons.

Since it is a competetive multiplayer game , people simply abuse the foul spots of this mod.
For example i am wearing mamluke mail carrying huscarl's shield and using steel pick.
Because mamluke mail gives me sufficient protection , huscarl shield reacts same to 15th century weapons as it reacts to simple viking weapons, steel pick kills anyone easily
This is how we all fuck this game up.


Nerfing late period weapons would be idiotic because they work as intended
Buffing late period armor is a must to solve this problem.
But if devs buff late period armor it will render %90 of the current armors useless and this will make %90 of the playerbase unhappy.

TL;DR: There is no way to solve this issue, if you want to play with useless gear to satisfy your RP will go for it but don't expect much.

That's all true, and not gonna change, which is fine... This isn't super historical simulation, it's a multiplayer action game with historical aesthetics for RP purposes, cuz a lot of people love this period, and can be 9th century viking or 15th century lombard knight, whatever they want basically from Iceland to Kyoto, but all balanced so none is gimped for their choice.

OP doesn't seem to get that there are actually a huge variety of weapon that ARE useful. Maybe he's just new?

Go to 1h section, start at Nordic short War Sword and all the weapons after, and 90% of those 35 1h are good weapons. Most of those weapons have a unique aspect to them and will have someone who will swear how good it is, and be kicking ass with an heirloomed version of it. The 28 below that cutoff are just kind of obvious "peasant" items for RP purposes. Pretty sure the 2h and Polearm sections have a similar ratio.

Title: Re: 90% of items are not used. Please fix stats.
Post by: owens on August 26, 2012, 08:30:37 am

pole-arm is strange.

The early weapons quarter staff\fauchard are really specific counters not so good for general battle. The mid tier ones spears/hafted maces/axes are more general good in group fights and 1 on 1. The poleaxes and glaives dish out huge damage at good reach but are slow so 1 on 1 they are a bit gimp(not really).

So for me the majority of pole-arms have their place on the battle field not many are left out completely.