cRPG

cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fartface on August 22, 2012, 12:56:36 pm

Title: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Fartface on August 22, 2012, 12:56:36 pm
After alot of gens with only STR builds , I was wondering obout making one. I pretty much played every class with one of my STR builds. So il provide information for as mutch as possible. Your thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Thomek on August 22, 2012, 01:33:51 pm
No reason to ask us, just do it :)
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: [ptx] on August 22, 2012, 01:34:54 pm
STR build guide?

Go above 8PS/IF as much as you feel like being lame
...
Profit.

Did i forget anything? :lol:
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Fartface on August 22, 2012, 01:39:40 pm
Nah , got some advanced techniques!. Also I want to know if the community wants one , otherwise il waste alot of time making one.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: [ptx] on August 22, 2012, 01:41:16 pm
Probably shielder build might be of some interest, as they seem to perform the worst with high str, imho.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Plavor on August 22, 2012, 01:55:42 pm
STR shielder is not good against range, no point in making a str shielder build,  i mean extreme str build
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 22, 2012, 02:10:45 pm
Str 2h/pole/1hnoshield guides would be great, i always get swarmed instantly even with 12 agi..

So yes, please!
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Fartface on August 22, 2012, 02:18:35 pm
I did 27-12 shielder , and managed to keep around 3.5kdr throughout the gen. But I must admit it was the hardest. But the left swing spam is so deadly with it.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Rebelyell on August 22, 2012, 02:29:28 pm
no
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Fartface on August 22, 2012, 02:30:15 pm
Right now the votes are 12/11 .
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Araxiel on August 22, 2012, 02:45:51 pm
I voted "no" accidently. Make one. Let's see your advanced secret ultimate tecniques.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Fartface on August 22, 2012, 05:29:15 pm
Got no clue why there are so many ``no`` votes :(
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: GuiKa on August 22, 2012, 07:00:58 pm
visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: a_bear_irl on August 22, 2012, 07:18:14 pm
1. hold w
2. left mouse
3. collect peasant kills

there, i wrote the guide for you
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Smoothrich on August 22, 2012, 07:24:05 pm
join a shit clan and banner stack so you have constant longspear support

1 hit kill every other class while being nearly immune to damage

be 27/12 shielder in medium or light armor and 1-2 shot people with cut weapons by spamming left or right swings with no effort required

backpedal with long polearms

spam in crowds instead of block
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Fartface on August 22, 2012, 07:25:16 pm
join a shit clan and banner stack so you have constant longspear support

1 hit kill every other class while being nearly immune to damage

be 27/12 shielder in medium or light armor and 1-2 shot people with cut weapons by spamming left or right swings with no effort required

backpedal with long polearms

spam in crowds instead of block
This was my idea! .
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 22, 2012, 07:26:12 pm
Go ahead and just write the guide for new players, they are always clueless anyways and the guide will be helpful.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Nehvar on August 22, 2012, 07:27:57 pm
I tried a 30/9 build with my weekly STF a while back.  It was so goddamn easy.  I don't intend to switch over to STR but I'd still like to see your write-up.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Smoothrich on August 22, 2012, 07:31:30 pm
That is why you will get sassy posts here:  strength builds are hilariously simple and overpowered, and are the easiest for new players to pick up.  Since it reduces the need for footwork, blocking, awareness, choosing your targets, dueling, kiting, so on and so forth.  And is all about tanking hits for 3 minutes until you bumble into 1 overhead attack that instantly kills someone and think "wow cRPG own3z~!" in between mountain dew strained chortles.

Regardless just post a thread and you won't get any thread shitting in an actual noobie guide (probably) but here it is fair game.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Riddaren on August 22, 2012, 07:41:30 pm
Nah , got some advanced techniques!. Also I want to know if the community wants one , otherwise il waste alot of time making one.

The best players have agile builds or balanced builds.
I doubt any really good player would do better with a strength build than a balanced build.

Atleast I haven't yet seen any such player.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Lichen on August 22, 2012, 07:44:20 pm
STR build guide?

Go above 8PS/IF as much as you feel like being lame
...
Profit.

Did i forget anything? :lol:
I like how haters seem to have such a problem with STR builds. Why? Are you getting out blocked/footworked by them (embarrassing I know) then crying when they hit back? Also depending on which biased, irrational, fool is asked EVERY class is 'lame, OP, scrub,spam,crutch etc' . What's NOT 'lame'? Devs should just remove in game chat. It's really pathetic the unending excuse making. Always some idiot bitching in chat about something.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: GuiKa on August 22, 2012, 08:56:17 pm
That is why you will get sassy posts here:  strength builds are hilariously simple and overpowered, and are the easiest for new players to pick up.  Since it reduces the need for footwork, blocking, awareness, choosing your targets, dueling, kiting, so on and so forth.  And is all about tanking hits for 3 minutes until you bumble into 1 overhead attack that instantly kills someone and think "wow cRPG own3z~!" in between mountain dew strained chortles.

Regardless just post a thread and you won't get any thread shitting in an actual noobie guide (probably) but here it is fair game.

Depend if you're talking about an heavy armored str build or a low armored one, with 12 agi and light armor you've got an important and effective footwork.
It's the same thing as a balanced build but with more damage and less tankiness (armor > hp)

The best players have agile builds or balanced builds.
I doubt any really good player would do better with a strength build than a balanced build.

Atleast I haven't yet seen any such player.

hmmm no ....
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: oprah_winfrey on August 22, 2012, 09:48:38 pm
The best players have agile builds or balanced builds.
I doubt any really good player would do better with a strength build than a balanced build.

Atleast I haven't yet seen any such player.

For NA the only ones that I can think of would be Rhaelys and Dan before he specced 1h+Shield.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Ad1no on August 22, 2012, 09:52:03 pm
The best players have agile builds or balanced builds.
I doubt any really good player would do better with a strength build than a balanced build.

Atleast I haven't yet seen any such player.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Fartface on August 22, 2012, 10:16:45 pm
Well I´m holding an 4:1 KDR now , and got a 10 at dueling. Also evrybody sayd the STR builds are so retarded OP then why don't I see alot of them. But instead of just bragging :lol: il go work on that Guide tommorow!
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Leshma on August 22, 2012, 11:21:35 pm
Also evrybody sayd the STR builds are so retarded OP then why don't I see alot of them.

Being slow is incredibly boring.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Lichen on August 22, 2012, 11:30:57 pm
evrybody sayd the STR builds are so retarded OP then why don't I see alot of them.

Being slow is incredibly boring.
Slow is also incredibly OP apparently too (that's why all the best players STR crutch of course cause they love that turtle sinking in tar feeling). If it wasn't for them being 'bored' they would all be using STR builds for sure because it's so good.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Leshma on August 22, 2012, 11:45:36 pm
It makes game incredibly boring, nothing to do with player performance.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Fartface on August 23, 2012, 12:00:48 am
BS people will do whatever makes them OP. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Leshma on August 23, 2012, 12:41:32 am
Well, having 42/3 mauler build with 102 HP and fully loomed milanese plate would certainly grant me shitload of points in siege game mode, almost permanent x5. Sounds like serious advantage to me.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Lech on August 23, 2012, 12:51:27 am
BS people will do whatever makes them OP. :rolleyes:

Or not?
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Lichen on August 23, 2012, 01:52:16 am
Well, having 42/3 mauler build with 102 HP and fully loomed milanese plate would certainly grant me shitload of points in siege game mode, almost permanent x5. Sounds like serious advantage to me.
Now play on battle.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Leshma on August 23, 2012, 02:07:15 am
Why should I?
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Burr1ck on August 23, 2012, 04:31:29 am
That is why you will get sassy posts here:  strength builds are hilariously simple and overpowered, and are the easiest for new players to pick up.  Since it reduces the need for footwork, blocking, awareness, choosing your targets, dueling, kiting, so on and so forth.  And is all about tanking hits for 3 minutes until you bumble into 1 overhead attack that instantly kills someone and think "wow cRPG own3z~!" in between mountain dew strained chortles.

Regardless just post a thread and you won't get any thread shitting in an actual noobie guide (probably) but here it is fair game.
Well, having 42/3 mauler build with 102 HP and fully loomed milanese plate would certainly grant me shitload of points in siege game mode, almost permanent x5. Sounds like serious advantage to me.

Guys like me who have over 30 str and have single digit agility really struggle in movement and get outmanoeuvred by faster builds who can simple backstab you, spam you, stun you, run around and kick you to death. Being slow target means you are more susceptible to getting hit by cav and ranged.  Another thing for strength builders is that they struggle to pull out of big mob fights when it gets all too much for them, once they get stuck in, they stay in and often die. So, it's harder than you think playing as strength based chracter. This is from my 2+ year experience with a STR build.

Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Fartface on August 23, 2012, 11:48:48 am
First off , I'm always on eu1 or eu3. And yeah STR build requires more battle awereness. Il contact the guy that makes the gameplay footage so I got some gameplay to show.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 23, 2012, 12:09:48 pm
Got no clue why there are so many ``no`` votes :(

Trolls ofc, just make one ill be gratefull forever!
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: darmaster on August 23, 2012, 02:21:10 pm
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Piok on August 23, 2012, 03:12:56 pm
Put on some peasant rags. Be fast as fart, mimic peasants and then watch rage of fully equip guy when you oneshot him :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Leshma on August 23, 2012, 04:01:42 pm
Put on some peasant rags. Be fast as fart, mimic peasants and then watch rage of fully equip guy when you oneshot him :mrgreen:

Have you tried it? I mean, peasant with 36/3 build, 11 IF and 12 PS?
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Leshma on August 23, 2012, 04:19:59 pm
Guys like me who have over 30 str and have single digit agility really struggle in movement and get outmanoeuvred by faster builds who can simple backstab you, spam you, stun you, run around and kick you to death. Being slow target means you are more susceptible to getting hit by cav and ranged.  Another thing for strength builders is that they struggle to pull out of big mob fights when it gets all too much for them, once they get stuck in, they stay in and often die. So, it's harder than you think playing as strength based chracter. This is from my 2+ year experience with a STR build.

I see that you quoted me as well. You're right for battle mode but as I said:

Quote
Well, having 42/3 mauler build with 102 HP and fully loomed milanese plate would certainly grant me shitload of points in siege game mode, almost permanent x5. Sounds like serious advantage to me.

Currently siege mode gives better XP, it induces way less rage than battle (it's actually relaxing) and even loners like me can make a difference and earn good XP and gold, even against Greys and HRE. On battle that is slowly becoming harder to pull off and I'm not sure I like part of cRPG community co that regularly players battle.

Another reason why I like siege folks more is that they speak more english in chat, even though they are mostly polish/russians/germans. As of lately, on EU1 everyone started speaking their own language and I don't like that because I can't understand what they are saying.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Piok on August 23, 2012, 04:20:56 pm
Have you tried it? I mean, peasant with 36/3 build, 11 IF and 12 PS?
No but had 30/9 was fun with quaterstaff. 60% chance to knockdown.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Leshma on August 23, 2012, 04:25:57 pm
Well, that's different.

With 3 agi and 0 ath in cloth armor you're barely faster than full tincan using the same build.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Piok on August 23, 2012, 04:35:53 pm
Well, that's different.

With 3 agi and 0 ath in cloth armor you're barely faster than full tincan using the same build.
I say you would be wast as fart not wind exactly same as peasants are.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Aderyn on August 23, 2012, 08:04:11 pm
just do 36/3 with 12 IF 9PS 1ath 1wm and you'll be golden in plate. (can't even imagine loomed plate...)

Greatmaul for extra fun.

Tried that the other day on my stf and topped the boards almost every maps :|
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: Fartface on August 23, 2012, 08:48:04 pm
But that means youll get a fuck load of repairs , and wearing tincan armour is costly so it should be better. Well I just like somebody that can take video´s to make some videos from/ with me. As this way I can explain better. Also il get started once I get a bit of free time. Haven't had to mutch today.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: MASTER_KILLER on August 24, 2012, 01:44:04 am
I've done multiple strength builds, whether it was full strength or combination of these mixes" 40+ strength, 80+ body armor with the old black armor and heaviest gear, and with short/long/slow weapons so I'm curious as to what your "guide" will say.
Title: Re: Shall I make an STR build guide?
Post by: dreadnok on August 26, 2012, 12:09:37 am
majority of thes eplayers try str builds get overwhelmed and switch back. then say their too easy. matter of the fact is you have to do more blocking and cant s key like a champ. then they go low armor and still get 2 to 3 shotted