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Title: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: Dravic on August 20, 2012, 08:49:21 pm
Please explain.
Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: PaulD on August 20, 2012, 08:56:18 pm
Horse Throwing Accuracy is even worse than in native, also you don't get extra ammo

(often mounted javelineers in ancient times had javelin cases strapped to their horses)

easier to just be a horse archer or horse xbow, more ammo, can keep greater distance between yourself and enemy, and can actually hit stuff
Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: Dravic on August 20, 2012, 08:58:31 pm
And how about a build including 5 Horse Archery skill? Won't it work? It should be a really stable and small reticule.
Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: Phew on August 20, 2012, 09:15:16 pm
I made a STF Javalry character. I played at least 4 hours, and never got a single kill while throwing from horseback. Not the most powerful class.
Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: Lichen on August 20, 2012, 09:16:46 pm
Quote from: Dravic on August 20, 2012, 08:49:21 pm
Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Takes a lot of skill. Probably the hardest class to play. And since not many actually enjoy challenge there's your answer.
Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 20, 2012, 09:21:59 pm
if you have 5 HA you will do no dmg at all.

i play one but just for the fun, you don't do serious dmg with the throwing part but its nice to harass archers. :)
Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: oprah_winfrey on August 20, 2012, 09:27:36 pm
Quote from: Dravic on August 20, 2012, 08:58:31 pm
And how about a build including 5 Horse Archery skill? Won't it work? It should be a really stable and small reticule.

If you want five Horse archery, you need 30 agi, so you will most likely be limited to 9 strength unless you sacrafice WM, so you are looking at

Strength: 9
Agility: 30
Hit points: 44
Skills to attributes: 8
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 0
Shield: 0
Athletics: 0
Riding: 7
Horse Archery: 5
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 3
Weapon Master: 8

Throwing: 173
Use war darts I guess. I don't think you will do much in the way of damage so I doubt it is worth it. Other then that, you can use 15/24 like a standard horse archer. Either one is likely worse then horse archer or xbow though. That being said I started leveling a horse thrower a few days ago, but I am building towards 18/18 so I have athletics and can be useful without a horse.
Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: GuiKa on August 20, 2012, 09:50:56 pm
Massassin is using Jarid on his horse and he is dam accurate and deadly ...
Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: rustyspoon on August 20, 2012, 10:18:33 pm
Warhound was doing pretty well with one the other day.
Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on August 20, 2012, 10:30:19 pm
Ammo is shit, damage is shit, easier to just get a destrier and twoshot bump everyone to death.
Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: Phew on August 20, 2012, 10:32:10 pm
Quote from: rustyspoon on August 20, 2012, 10:18:33 pm
Warhound was doing pretty well with one the other day.

Yeah, his strategy was bump, stop/slow down, then throw at the guy while he was still on the ground. Seems a lot easier than hitting a moving target at a full gallop, but more risky. Really, this strategy is closer to a bumpslashing 1h/2h cavalry than true ranged cavalry.
Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: JackieChan on August 20, 2012, 11:39:50 pm
I play horse thrower (and pole arm)



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Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: Penitent on August 21, 2012, 12:17:29 am
Also no speed bonus on horseback.  So yeah...they should add that.
Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on August 21, 2012, 12:17:45 am
Amatsuka is somewhat effective using throwing lances on horseback. He/She is also fucking crazy, often attacking the enemy by 15 seconds into the round or earlier. Sometimes this can garner 2 kills on important archers or lightly armoured folk that are unaware. However, that tactic is very vulnerable to people paying attention to what's going on, and if that happens, often Amatsuka is dead 30 seconds into the round.
Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: oohillac on August 21, 2012, 12:37:38 am
I played my HA character as a horse-hunter for several gens.  I tried HT a while ago, the aim is not as bad as people seem to think if you have done HA for a while.  Just a different timing for releasing your missiles.

If my HA was a constant rain of accurate, low-medium damage to enemy horses, HT was like a much more explosive version.  You may miss and run out of ammo incredibly quickly, or you may 1-shot the cataphract chasing you with your jarid.

Both fun, challenging, effective, and rewarding, but HA is much more viable for Strat.  Otherwise I'd go HT all the way, purely for the ability to wreck horses in two-three hits.
Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: Digglez on August 21, 2012, 02:35:56 am
no speed bonus = crappy damage.
Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: isatis on August 21, 2012, 02:40:21 am
i knew that a very speedy guy with throwing dagger on horse was pretty annoying

but again... one arrow and he's dead

dehorsed he's dead too

and armor and no dmg

it's just annoying

but it can be fun!
Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: To Kill A Dead Horse on August 21, 2012, 05:30:48 am
You don't see them probably for the reason you don't see dagger cav or "monks" (unarmed melee)................ their just so OP.

Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: Braeden on August 21, 2012, 09:30:27 am
Quote from: Garison on August 21, 2012, 12:17:29 am
Also no speed bonus on horseback.  So yeah...they should add that.

Apparently this is or was in the works.  If it got added, the class might work again.

Personally I haven't enjoyed HT since the days I could have 15 heavy throwing axes and a longsword, I hate both running out of ammo and not having a suitable weapon for melee when I run out of ammo.

Title: Re: Horse throwers - where are they? And why we don't see any of them nowadays?
Post by: Dach on August 21, 2012, 09:54:07 am
it's a hard class, but it's a fun alternative for 1h cav or 2h cav that want some fun.

Just go head on against lancer and when they think they can lance you they get a heavy throwing axe to the face...

Funniest kill to have in C-RPG! (It's a dangerous sport be warned! :mrgreen:)