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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: micah243 on August 05, 2012, 08:56:19 pm
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Why are they allowed to exist? They ride around the whole round and are the last ones alive every round.... WHYYYYYY DO THEY EXIST!
On a real note.... Shouldn't they have to like stop or something to reload... the way it stands they are just really OP if the guy riding them is as patient as Yoda.
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No.
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Very original in the straight up "No" post.... Bravo.... :rolleyes:
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Because everyone loves sitting around watching some guy leisurely ride around for 3 minutes after everyone's dead on his team until flags finally pop up. :rolleyes: Maybe this isn't as much an issue in EU, but at least on NA Xbow cav are a near constant factor making the game slow down to a crawl.
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if there is no melee archer yes they are usefull (not OP) but if there is enemy HA or lots of foot missle they are Weak.
They are master at eu_5 :D
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MOTF was fixed for HAs and HCs.
Next Mounted Xbows were(RL) the European Counter to the Horse Archers of the east. This tactic continued into the use of musket era where Crossbows were replaced with Carbines, Wheel-locks and Other light arms. This was until the Infantry Musket became more powerful than the mounted versions and Massed volleys and regimented armies replaced mob army mentality.
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I understand that they existed IRL but that doesn't mean they are good for the game... They are not FUN to fight.... They ride around and shoot you in the back... You can't fight back against them until the round is almost over or unless you are ranged as well.. They just plain suck for anyone who is not Cav or Range
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MOTF was fixed for HAs and HCs.
Next Mounted Xbows were(RL) the European Counter to the Horse Archers of the east. This tactic continued into the use of musket era where Crossbows were replaced with Carbines, Wheel-locks and Other light arms. This was until the Infantry Musket became more powerful than the mounted versions and Massed volleys and regimented armies replaced mob army mentality.
Indeed they existed in real life, but do you really believe that they galloped while reloading their crossbow at the same time?
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Ha yea really... I know this is basically an opinion thread but would anyone really miss Horse Crossbow if they were gone? or nerfed?
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16th century French mounted crossbowman ("cranequinier"). His crossbow is drawn with a rack-and-pinion "cranequin", so it can be used while riding
Source can be disputed, but it's prevelant enough in those old school books that its true. I also read it in another book for a pure history simulation game as well. To bad I can't remember that link.
Can't say if they TRULY reloaded while moving, but they clearly could on horseback.
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Okay Anders you can say that but do you think IRL these guys were riding full gallop and reloading??? Do you think when a guy had a shield they just casually pointed there crossbow at him so he couldnt attack, then rode him over, and then quickly spun and fired before he could block???? NO
Edit: And Alexthedragon lol go ahead and minus every post on here that doesnt praise HX....
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Ah cool lets go with RL Arguments now!
Do you think people could jump with full plate on? That people used 2h in such large quantities over histories most dominant weapon, the spear? Or that people didn't use shields? How about the fact that the Xbow was singularly the most powerful weapon on the battlefield, with minimal training, and was even banned by the Pope?
Yes, go with your stupid RL argument about HX and I'll shove a hundred more back at you. It's a GAME and if you want RL then do it yourself in real life, or build a damn time machine. RL stays in RL. Game is not RL.
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It's the amazing mind-link riders have with their horses in this game that's so awesome to behold.
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Anders you do realized you brought up real life first right?? you put fucking pictures of a guy with a crossbow on a horse for gods sake....
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16th century French mounted crossbowman ("cranequinier"). His crossbow is drawn with a rack-and-pinion "cranequin", so it can be used while riding
Source can be disputed, but it's prevelant enough in those old school books that its true. I also read it in another book for a pure history simulation game as well. To bad I can't remember that link.
Can't say if they TRULY reloaded while moving, but they clearly could on horseback.
But he is french, he doesnt have to reload his crossbow, he shoots that one bolt then gallops away from the fight?
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Lets nerf every RANGED CAV and RANGED to let Infantry and melee Cav nominate in cRPG, as it is said meleegaming.com
Make all ranged weapon deal 1 damage, then everyone will respec into melee, then remove all ranged, everyone happy
after ranged is finally gone from the game now lancers will eat all infantry hard
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Lol really that is pretty accurate even though you are being sarcastic.... This is a MELEE GAME! Why play this game over COD or Battlefield? Because it has melee fighting... If you are playing a fucking ranged cav sniping guy then why are you playing this game???
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Anders you do realized you brought up real life first right?? you put fucking pictures of a guy with a crossbow on a horse for gods sake....
On a real note.... Shouldn't they have to like stop or something to reload... the way it stands they are just really OP if the guy riding them is as patient as Yoda.
I didn't start with the real life ness. Read your own OP.
I just gave a RL picture to answer you about them IRL.
But he is french, he doesnt have to reload his crossbow, he shoots that one bolt then gallops away from the fight?
Epic french bashing...?
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One of throwers few battlefield responsibilities is to help keep friendly infantry safe from harrassment by cav and HXbowmen are one of the worst to encounter as a melee inf, your best option is to stay near friendly ranged + long poles.
It's a sad fact but teamwork is just about the only response to them, a couple archers/throwers with a pikeman or two will help the team massively if they work together.
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Lol i didnt mean a REAL LIFE NOTE... I meant joking aside.... Nice try though
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Lol i didnt mean a REAL LIFE NOTE... I meant joking aside.... Nice try though
So on a fake note? On an Imaginary note? What other kind of "real note" is there?
Did you mean, on a game note?
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Crossbow cav is very gay, but I believe in a person's right to be gay.
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Lol should i explain it step by step? Okay... at the first of the post i was raging with THEY SHOULDNT EXIST... So then i said "on a real note" to denote that I was actually going to say something meaningful not just a rant.... Understand?
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Crossbow cav is very gay, but I believe in a person's right to be gay.
"I do not agree with a person's bundle of sticksry, but I will defend their right to said bundle of sticksry to the death"
-Voltaire
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Ah cool lets go with RL Arguments now!
Do you think people could jump with full plate on? That people used 2h in such large quantities over histories most dominant weapon, the spear? Or that people didn't use shields? How about the fact that the Xbow was singularly the most powerful weapon on the battlefield, with minimal training, and was even banned by the Pope?
Yes, go with your stupid RL argument about HX and I'll shove a hundred more back at you. It's a GAME and if you want RL then do it yourself in real life, or build a damn time machine. RL stays in RL. Game is not RL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm11yAXeegg&feature=related
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Wonder if that's the full set? He's not wearing the Chainmail underneath. He's also not wearing the padded armor you're supposed to. looks more like it's just padding for not getting injured.
Armor only weighs 40 ish kilos(about 80 pounds). That's not much different than what a modern Soldier wears(they carry up to 50-60 kilos not counting there weapon) and they can do quite a bit of stuff.
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cRPG is not based on realism, if it is then please make people die in 1 lance thrust/ people die in 1 horse bump, that would be epic
HX is great for killing pikeman/ de-horsing cav
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just kill their horse.
without their horse they are just sitting ducks like regular xbowers
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But he is french, he doesnt have to reload his crossbow, he shoots that one bolt then gallops away from the fight?
Argument over, this guy won.
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I thought Napoleonic Wars worked pretty well for how they handle mounted guns: You can reload while mounted but you have to stop moving first. Actually crossbows should be easier so I would think reloading at a slow trot would be acceptable.
Reloading while careening around a corner, circus trick style, on a loomed Arabian at maximum speed is just unrealistic, dumb and makes the game worse.
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This is a MELEE GAME! Why play this game over COD or Battlefield?
Yup archery is the same as COD and battlefield. Got that one nailed.
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Why are they allowed to exist? They ride around the whole round and are the last ones alive every round.... WHYYYYYY DO THEY EXIST!
On a real note.... Shouldn't they have to like stop or something to reload... the way it stands they are just really OP if the guy riding them is as patient as Yoda.
The old melee veterans leave the game step by step .
The ranged (Pussy) lobbyist faction dominate this MOD now
Good luck with your request ..
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your infamy suggests that not alot of people will be saddened by you leaving the game...
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I don't think HX should be completely done away with but really come on.... Make them stop or slow down while they reload... The way it is now they are basically untouchable until they want to be
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Why are you TRYING to touch them anyway? You should be hiding or protecting your ranged. Fighting out in the open is bloody stupid to begin with. Too many idiots chase them like they chase running archers. They must think the same logic applies: I continue to chase, therefore i can eventually get them.
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I don't think HX should be completely done away with but really come on.... Make them stop or slow down while they reload... The way it is now they are basically untouchable until they want to be
Who cares...
Yes, it is a really my old friendgy playstyle.
No, it's not a big deal because almost all of them are complete shit at it, except a couple Like Rohypnol.
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Trust me, if you take away light crossbow the ability to reload on horseback, when they start to use arbalest, shoot then stop, dismount reload then mount himself up again then shoot, that is even worse as it will only slow down the round even more if they are the last one alive
Edit: also they are only good on open maps, on village/ city/ siege maps their efficiency is extremely low, especially on maps like nord town/ riot of swadia, they will probably just going to leech on those maps since they are useless already enough
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cry thread
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I'm guessing EU hasn't seen the full force of Xbow cav yet.
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As an archer, if I see xbow cav on NA server (pretty much everyday i play), i aim for the horse. it's really quite simple, you kill the horse they are as good as dead. PROBLEM SOLVED!
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Then archers need to all start aiming for those horses lol... I can not do anything against them with my sword except try to dodge....
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Except when the Xbow cav has a +3 Arabian warhorse and doesn't get within 40 meters of any archers.
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Lol really that is pretty accurate even though you are being sarcastic.... This is a MELEE GAME! Why play this game over COD or Battlefield? Because it has melee fighting... If you are playing a fucking ranged cav sniping guy then why are you playing this game???
You lost all of my sympathy with that comment. This is a medieval war game, melee is only part of it. The skirmish was also very influental in open medieval battles, some where even settled by it.
People would have a different opinion of this mod if there was some way to control the dumb charge at the beggining of every round.
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Who cares...
Yes, it is a really my old friendgy playstyle.
No, it's not a big deal because almost all of them are complete shit at it, except a couple Like Rohypnol.
Last night Rohypnol was the last man alive in a 1v8 while I was one of the 8. Fun 3 minutes. Hide, wait for flag, cap flag. When I'm one of the dead ones ill just browse the internet.
I don't mind good ones. I'm just generally annoyed by players that run away for 2-3 minutes because they have higher agi/ath while trying to milk their multipliers or to gain valor (if thats how it works). I just want to play the damn game, even if all I do is die.
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Lol you say "oooo this is not a melee game this is a medieval warfare game" but the problem with that is, what makes this game different from other games that involve the medieval times? It is the directional swordplay aspect that Mount and BLADE pioneered. That is what made this game. If they had intended it to be full of stupid HX they wouldnt have bothered to include the directional system of blocking...
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funny hx is actually a very minor problem of all the problems actually going on with crpg... not sure you realize how hard it is, especially with this new score system to get on top with either a HA or HX... its very fuckin easy with anything else honestly.. to be on top you got to be landing over 80percent of your shots.. in rain xbow damage is -40% anyway.. and you get 1 to max 2 points per shot... sometimes 0.. while i can run around with a lance or a sword all day and join in the 3rd round and be on top after 1 round.. and hx is the problem :?:
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funny hx is actually a very minor problem of all the problems actually going on with crpg... not sure you realize how hard it is, especially with this new score system to get on top with either a HA or HX... its very fuckin easy with anything else honestly.. to be on top you got to be landing over 80percent of your shots.. in rain xbow damage is -40% anyway.. and you get 1 to max 2 points per shot... sometimes 0.. while i can run around with a lance or a sword all day and join in the 3rd round and be on top after 1 round.. and hx is the problem :?:
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HX is a pure counter to 2h str heroes. Much faster, and ranged. God forbid the majority of the players try to mimic single player AI when confronted with an HX. Bring throwing, bring an xbow, or simply get a shield. If you are too dumb to do any of those, be smart enough to go indoors.
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Lol you say "oooo this is not a melee game this is a medieval warfare game" but the problem with that is, what makes this game different from other games that involve the medieval times? It is the directional swordplay aspect that Mount and BLADE pioneered. That is what made this game. If they had intended it to be full of stupid HX they wouldnt have bothered to include the directional system of blocking...
So if they had named it Mount and Crossbow, I could capitalize all the letters and say you're wrong too?
Besides its a medieval war game. The melee fighting is definitely the draw but its not what everyone prefers. Ranged is fun too.
Don't get me wrong, I dislike HX's too but they're allowed to be a HX just as you are allowed to rage that they exist.
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funny hx is actually a very minor problem of all the problems actually going on with crpg... not sure you realize how hard it is, especially with this new score system to get on top with either a HA or HX... its very fuckin easy with anything else honestly.. to be on top you got to be landing over 80percent of your shots.. in rain xbow damage is -40% anyway.. and you get 1 to max 2 points per shot... sometimes 0.. while i can run around with a lance or a sword all day and join in the 3rd round and be on top after 1 round.. and hx is the problem :?:
No one is saying HA/HX are OP. It's just that they make the game boring.
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No one is saying HA/HX are OP. It's just that they make the game boring.
They make the game boring? What the fuck does that even mean?
More like, I can't ham fist my way through encounters with them with my strength build like everything else.
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Make the game boring?
More like you're either dead because you fucked up or you were to stupid to bring shield/throwing/xbow side arm and went pure 2h/pole. If that is the case then you should just remain bored or go play siege if you want immediate play time. HX have as much right to enjoy their build as you do.
As for killing them. They aren't that hard. I haven't come across an HX that I can't shoot down unless I have an already damaged horse. Most ride arabians and my courser can more than soak up the damage or I can avoid their shots and that's when the faster bow comes into play. As for foot archers shooting them...that again isn't hard. Them riding a champ arabian isn't an excuse. If you're smart you can still see the obvious way they are going to have to move and judge your shot and arabians go down very easily to arrows.
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They just make ppl rage instead. After all, the real strength in HA and HX is their tactical advantages. I'm sure if crpg was a free roam game all of us would be an HA or HX, with little to no one being anything else.
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No one is saying HA/HX are OP. It's just that they make the game boring.
Why are they allowed to exist? They ride around the whole round and are the last ones alive every round.... WHYYYYYY DO THEY EXIST!
On a real note.... Shouldn't they have to like stop or something to reload... the way it stands they are just really OP if the guy riding them is as patient as Yoda.
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heavy armored hx is na only atm, never really seen one on eu...
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Make the game boring?
More like you're either dead because you fucked up or you were to stupid to bring shield/throwing/xbow side arm and went pure 2h/pole. If that is the case then you should just remain bored or go play siege if you want immediate play time. HX have as much right to enjoy their build as you do.
As for killing them. They aren't that hard. I haven't come across an HX that I can't shoot down unless I have an already damaged horse. Most ride arabians and my courser can more than soak up the damage or I can avoid their shots and that's when the faster bow comes into play. As for foot archers shooting them...that again isn't hard. Them riding a champ arabian isn't an excuse. If you're smart you can still see the obvious way they are going to have to move and judge your shot and arabians go down very easily to arrows.
As far as NA is concerned, there is like two HA that can keep the HX in check.
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cRPG is not based on realism, if it is then please make people die in 1 lance thrust/ people die in 1 horse bump, that would be epic
HX is great for killing pikeman/ de-horsing cav
....um Alex, I dont think people realistically actually died from only 1 lance thrust and 1 horse bump(especially heavy armored ones). Couch is what acctually took troops down in 1 stab and crpg has that.
And keep the HXs. They are fun. Also I hate archers, HAs and other ranged who just run away and stall the game and shoot pointblank as much as the next raging douchebag. But if I think about, its really not that easy and it gives the game nice variety. Game is lame with just meleeguys.
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As far as NA is concerned, there is like two HA that can keep the HX in check.
Murchad, Qulidj were both damn good HA's. Always pissed me off. Can't think of any others that REALLY got to me.
Also if you ever played Native singleplayer, the first gear you ALWAYS start with is Horse, Xbow, and 1h sword. EVEN THE DEVELOPERS START YOU OUT AS A HX.
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Murchad, Qulidj were both damn good HA's. Always pissed me off. Can't think of any others that REALLY got to me.
Also if you ever played Native singleplayer, the first gear you ALWAYS start with is Horse, Xbow, and 1h sword. EVEN THE DEVELOPERS START YOU OUT AS A HX.
I agree, HX is for single player.
Also Qilidj doesn't play anymore, murchad rarely plays and doesn't always play is HA when he is on. Valt still plays HA but other then that I can't think of many.
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I don't have a problem with Horse Crossbowmen because they serve a purpose in the game like every other class. And although I'd prefer they didn't do anything to the class, it would be more realistic if they lost a lot of maneuverability while reloading. It takes two hands to reload, you're not going to be riding at top speed, and turning as hard as your horse can turn with both hands reloading a crossbow.
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heavy armored hx is na only atm, never really seen one on eu...
China servers, dude.
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Make it so that they can move whilst reloading but only at a low speed.
Like couching but when you reach "couch speed" you stop reloading.
If im clear enough.. And dont make it too slow.. Allthough it shouldnt be much of a problem, the light xbow reloads fairly fast.
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HX suck ballz... Last words! I WIN!
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