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Title: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Blackbow on August 05, 2012, 03:07:31 am
about score system
i just want say to the dev team : clap guys !!!
this little thing can change everything in crpg
good job
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Micah on August 05, 2012, 03:09:04 am
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Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 05, 2012, 03:10:52 am
Indeed it is!!!
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Post by: Simon_Templar on August 05, 2012, 03:20:11 am
Yeah!!!!!!! Dont crawl your balls. theay re is still work to do. becouse it has no influence on valour. But crpg defently need it. :D
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Kelugarn on August 05, 2012, 03:24:52 am
And now to wait for NA to get it...
Title: Re: Simon_Templar
Post by: Leshma on August 05, 2012, 03:26:27 am
Yeah!!!!!!! Dont crawl your balls. theay re is still work to do. becouse it has no influence on valour. But crpg defently need it. :D

Valour and multi system will be gone very soon.
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: XyNox on August 05, 2012, 03:35:50 am
PLATED ARCHUUURS
Title: Re: Simon_Templar
Post by: Sarpton on August 05, 2012, 03:37:08 am
Yeah!!!!!!! Dont crawl your balls. theay re is still work to do. becouse it has no influence on valour. But crpg defently need it. :D



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Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Daniisme on August 05, 2012, 05:03:26 am
Wait now xp will relay on your score?
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 05, 2012, 05:12:32 am
PLATED ARCHUUURS
Still having that fun? Aww yeah I will come archer away in full plate :D
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Digglez on August 05, 2012, 08:55:36 am
I LOVE UNDOCUMENTED CHANGES WITH PROPRIETY 'SECRET' FORMULAS!
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Christo on August 05, 2012, 09:20:42 am
Multiplier system is dead?
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Oh god finally. Ever since the first time it was implemented, I think it was one of the most influential things leading to the staleness of the game.
Let alone how much it made people hate everything, if things didn't go their way.

I am glad the dev team realized it too, and changed it. Looks like I have to return to the game shortly..  8-)
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 05, 2012, 09:25:10 am
Multiplier system is dead?
Not yet me thinks
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Christo on August 05, 2012, 09:26:08 am
Not yet me thinks

Then I'll wait until the finishing blow is delivered. 8-)
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 05, 2012, 09:29:37 am
Then I'll wait until the finishing blow is delivered. 8-)

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Read this meanwhile you wait:
http://forum.meleegaming.com/guides/(guide)-son-of-odin's-cav-guide-(lancer)/
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Bjord on August 05, 2012, 09:43:48 am
Odin, you are a cool guy. Just thought I'd put that out there.
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Bryggan on August 05, 2012, 09:58:45 am
Having done a recent survey on forum users K/D rate, I realized only 14% of forum posters voted under 1:1.  I believe I was the only one who acceded to a low score in posts.  This means I represent all the players out there who die a hell of a lot more than the people who post.  The devs must realize without anyone easy to kill the mod will die.  And they must also realize that 65% (at least) of players on the scoreboard are well below 1:1 KD.  Someone has to die to give all you forum posters your mininum 3:1 KD.

These people don't bitch and whine on forums.  They obviously play for fun.  Or perhaps for the grind, such as I did in my early days mistakenly believing that I too, could become a hero.  Time proved I couldn't, but unlike all those others, which love the mod despite their incompetence, I still post.  I have a genetic defect in which I have no shame.  But the point is most people die more than they kill, and yet they still play the game.

I've introduced people to this mod who quit cuz a fully loomed 2 hander can kill them in one spamming hit (oddly enough, they never bitched about cav or archers).  Then they play native in which they can win sometimes, but do get bored cuz of the lack of continuity.

So, to put my thinkfulness into a nutshell, anything that favours the elite will be very, very sucky.  Anything that helps support builds and newbs, is verra, verra good.   And anything that pisses of those 'OMG i spent 38,000 hours in this game and I deserve my looms/gens/shild/epeen' is a good thing.  They ruin the game with their arrogance, and befoul the forums with their neediness, and their bloody sense of entitlement... WTF?  It's a free mod, and if they donated money, it was a donation.  Not a frickin' downpayment.  If they truly wanted something to show for their hours, they should have dug ditches.  Less fun, but more financially rewarding.  By a little.

So, in a nutshell, 70% of people who post have a 3-1 KD rate (according to my poll  http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/what's-your-kd-rate/msg548347/#msg548347 ).  But ingame I'd say 70% of people die pointlessly (oh yeah, you got the pun).

So, as much as you posters wish this was an oligarchy, I truly, truly hope that the devs look at the entire gamebase, not just the consistent whiners with the highest K/D rates and (coincidentally I'm sure) the highest QQ rates (and yet, non-coincidentally I'm sure, the lowest IQ rates).

So, for the love of this mod, please, please remember the little guys.  Without cannon fodder this mod will die. 

So sez I.
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Molly on August 05, 2012, 10:05:53 am
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As proud owner of the inofficial "swordfodder"-badge I agree.
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: richierich on August 05, 2012, 10:32:44 am
NA1 has officially been updated now.
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 05, 2012, 10:32:56 am
Odin, you are a cool guy. Just thought I'd put that out there.
Yeah you are a cool guy too, Bjord.
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Cyclopsided on August 05, 2012, 10:37:49 am
there is a new score system? mother of god what is it?
Do I need to get on and play? Aaaaaa?
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 05, 2012, 10:40:23 am
there is a new score system? mother of god what is it?
Do I need to get on and play? Aaaaaa?
Its based on delivered damage I believe.
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Cyclopsided on August 05, 2012, 10:45:17 am
Its based on delivered damage I believe.
I literally just pranced through my house, throwing my hands up in happiness if this is true.

*horses though, how do? They have lots of hp, damaging them should count but not full points
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 05, 2012, 10:46:14 am
I literally just pranced through my house, throwing my hands up in happiness if this is true.

*horses though, how do? They have lots of hp, damaging them should count but not full points
Hmm mounted horses should count too. Not 100% sure tho
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 05, 2012, 10:52:25 am
Mounted horses count too. Not sure about unmounted.
Unmounted dont count. Ofc I tested that first :D
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Cyclopsided on August 05, 2012, 11:04:32 am
Mounted horses count too. Not sure about unmounted.
Just got on, this is awesome.
I tested. mounted horses count, unmounted don't count

oh my god look at this sexy score screen i love it, score for damage?
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Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Gnjus on August 05, 2012, 11:15:45 am
Is this something similar to Red Orchestra 2 ? Although - there they don't count your deaths so you don't get frustrated by your uselessness.  :P
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Cyclopsided on August 05, 2012, 11:19:52 am
Score for damage in context of proximity to fight probably... not sure
no, I'm an archer and I was never really far from fighting, but i wasn't like melee. And I outscored everybody by landing lots of hits.  I us e alongbow with 0 athletics, if I got any closer to melee i'd die every time :D

Anywho, I saw no effect of distance on my score?
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Tindel on August 05, 2012, 12:04:09 pm
it looks like its your hits landed on flesh, nothing to do with range or anything like that. Just damaging hits landed. Someone claimed you get different amounts depending on your targets armor/hp, but i have not tested.

Its clearly a step towards rewarding assists and taking the focus away from scoring a kill.
But do teamhits give negative points?
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Werfried on August 05, 2012, 12:35:06 pm
This system is awesome!
I hit a mounted horse with the barmace (rider and horse didnt die) and got 12 points for this one hit.
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on August 05, 2012, 12:39:47 pm
This system is awesome!
I hit a mounted horse with the barmace (rider and horse didnt die) and got 12 points for this one hit.

oh finally they reward horse kills? very nice, hats off for devs..
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Rhekimos on August 05, 2012, 12:47:09 pm
Does team damage affect the score?
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Miwiw on August 05, 2012, 12:54:16 pm
Someone need to try that. Really interesting damage.

So even I as Archer with often too low dmg to cause a kill, will be able to get some score. :D
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Bjord on August 05, 2012, 12:57:40 pm
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Shame on you for using admin text for chat.
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Muki on August 05, 2012, 01:16:25 pm
Does team damage affect the score?

yes your score will go negative
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Riddaren on August 05, 2012, 01:29:51 pm
Having done a recent survey on forum users K/D rate, I realized only 14% of forum posters voted under 1:1.
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You do realize almost everyone got several alt characters, usually with lower K:D ratio than their mains?
As you didn't ask, people probably picked an option which was true for their main character or the character with the highest K:D ratio.

Anyway, the K:D ratio is totally irrelevent and has always been, so is kills in the scoreboard.
But finally we have this new score system which truly shows how much players contribute.

This will make crpg a lot better in many ways and is thus the best thing that has happened in a very long time.

I actually suggested a similar score system to this a month ago:
http://forum.meleegaming.com/suggestions-corner/new-point-system-to-replace-kills/ (http://forum.meleegaming.com/suggestions-corner/new-point-system-to-replace-kills/)
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: DielER on August 05, 2012, 02:44:37 pm
This new Score System is kidding me... wtf?

I got 19:1 and a guy with 2:3 (cav, with great lance)  has more points than me..... WFT????? SKILL IS NO MORE NEEDED FOR GOOD STATS......


EVERY NEW PATCH DESTROYS THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Werfried on August 05, 2012, 02:53:03 pm
I got 19:1 and a guy with 2:3 (cav, with great lance)  has more points than me..... WFT?????

Fragstealer detected  :mrgreen:

But seriously, the new point ranking is mostly about how much damage you do. So this 2:3 guy was just "unlucky", it seems he hurt a lot of enemies but killed only 2.

Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Grumbs on August 05, 2012, 03:06:45 pm
It needs tweaks. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on it though ever, a score system will never represent a persons true value to the team. It takes no account of circumstances for the damage/kill and never will. So if you clutch a 1v3 to save your teams x5, you may only get 3 points, plus all the other numerous circumstances that won't be considered. The final point of damage to a player, the one that secures the kill will always be more valuable, but the value will never be determined accurately by a score system. If people don't convert the damage done into the final hit on the player, then the value of the damage leading up to that might not be worth that much really.

So you can't take it too seriously, but it is a step in the right direction to reward support damage. I would still order the scoreboard by kpd tho

I took this pic, dunno if 153 points is a bit too much to give out in the first round, this is before theres even any balance but still seems kinda high:

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Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: pro.fail on August 05, 2012, 03:26:09 pm
Noob question: How can I see how much XP I get?
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Micah on August 05, 2012, 03:28:10 pm
Noob question: How can I see how much XP I get?
you get xp/gold per minute , at each full minute (.00 sec) look at the ingame chat
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: bonekuukkeli on August 05, 2012, 03:40:59 pm
Does team damage affect the score?

Yeah my team had cav with 4 kills and 2 deaths, but his score was -4. Lot's of teamhits, teambumping... just like deserved. Guess he raged.. as he killed one team-mate more and got reported out of game after that.

Counting score for couching wasn't working though (unless it's fixed now). They get like 50 score for one kill... easy to calculate though. Couching deals like 250 damage unlike normal hit for max 50 or so... 5x more damage, 5x more score... so damage that goes over maximum hp counts as score as well and that should be fixed.
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Elmuri on August 05, 2012, 03:59:11 pm
Could I have option to hide scores and sort players out by kills as it used to be? I dont need any scores and I dont care about it
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: Para on August 05, 2012, 04:16:56 pm
I like the new system, it's definitely a step in the right direction.

The biggest flaw of the system right now is that overkill damage is calculated. Couches generate insane amounts of points because the score is calculated by the total damage done in a single attack instead of how much hp the other player loses. Fix this and we will see much more accurate scoreboards.

Also this system seems to have been engineered specifically for battle. I would like to see points granted for flag capture and denial in siege. Some points for busting shields would be nice too.
Title: Re: NEW SCORE SYSTEM !!
Post by: chadz on August 05, 2012, 04:18:22 pm
continue here:

http://forum.meleegaming.com/announcements/new-version-0-287/msg571772/#new