Clean slate, that's what we all need! Wipe all looms, gens, monez, permabans ... lol
I am guessing cmp was trolling, but please ... I am finishing gen 10 on my main, got 15 loom points in equipment, and I am all for FULL WIPE!!!
After redoing the way money and exp works, give us all a reason to play again, get veterans back, give the same chances to new players and noobs etc.
A wipe without a fundamental change of the system or removal of heirlooms all together has my support. A wipe while continuing with same system is retarded, cause a wipe means the system failed.
I am not going to grind my looms or levels again, cause I know most other people will. So that will reduce my cRPG involvement to skip the funning.
Wipe only those who ask for it :twisted:
Gen 27
20 masterwork items
PLS dont wipe :D
Btw. on EU1 there is rarely 100 players, most of the time it's around 70. It is summer but I doubt it will be a lot better in september.
This game and mod are both awfully old. People who play most of the time are veterans who probably don't like the idea of full wipe.
But none of that matters, cmp/chadz are making decision.
I'm not sure will this mod survive wipe in its current state. Everything needs to change, not just multi system.
So much fail in a single post, i doubt anyone else but Leshma - Disciple of Michael can achieve this.
How come :?: i usually dont agree with Tardma but the creature have a good point :lol:
So much fail in a single post, i doubt anyone else but Leshma - Disciple of Michael can achieve this.
Wipe then speed up leveling by a ton
Well, Leshma is just stating facts.
Server doesn´t reach more than 100 players even at peak hours. There are slightly over 100 (~110) players from 6 - 10 PM, all the rest of the day its under 100, most of the only 60-70.
And I agree, it won´t be any better when autumn/winter comes, maybe a few players more again.
A full wipe would definately be the death blow :(
Wipe then speed up leveling by a ton
Nonsense.
The effect would be the opposite. People that grind up to lvl 35 and who have all the looms they need mostly quit because they are bored.
And off course that people who made grind their way of life would be against it, I would expect nothing else.
But I believe that wipe would have opposite effect, and that people would return after the wipe and that new players would be encouraged.
I am already bored, but I have alts to peasant around in. I think the a better option for getting people more interested is to allow alts in Strategus again. That way they can feel that there's a point in making different characters and item sets for them as well, if they feel like they have achieved everything there is to achieve with their main character.
Let sell some " free respec " ability for "20 loomed"item, or 20 millions.
Ranged will nominate in cRPG if wpf gets buff
I'm strongly against a wipe unless the game is changed so there is no benefit at all to grind.
- Remove experience and set everyone to level 35.
- Remove heirlooming
- Remove gold (anyone is free to use any items)
- Remove upkeep
- Remove marketplace
How about you go fuck yourself.
play native?! lol.
I know, but then people crying for a wipe should just go and play native ;) (I don´t mean you, but the haters)
I'm strongly against a wipe unless the game is changed so there is no benefit at all to grind.
- Remove experience and set everyone to level 35.
- Remove heirlooming
- Remove gold (anyone is free to use any items)
- Remove upkeep
- Remove marketplace
- Remove the scoreboard completely, there is no need for it.
I can't be bothered to grind again. I'm level 34 close to 35 and have the +3 items I need. I have worked hard for it.
If there is a wipe and those who have invested a lot of time doesn't get rewarded accordingly I'm sure many will quit, myself included.
- Remove crpg
thats what you suggest
I wonder what's your problem with other player's looms, gears and money ? You don't need anything loomed to play properly, so why do you want wipe? To be honest i don't want to go back to peasant fights, it's pointless.
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It's signed,
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If you wipe, well, I'm out.yes, me too. Actually just wipe so i can stop playing this easier :wink:
Gen 27jew!
20 masterwork items
PLS dont wipe :D
I have always wondered, why does everyone in crpg write this sentence with "d" in the end?
Who started it?
jew!
wipe it! remove lvl cap , remove gay looms, new xp and gold system , and for me add long spear overhead :D
Go play native and u have all u want.native is joke.
Wipe all the items we have grinded and traded for at the market to get. no ty.. im sure this mod will die with it.
If you wipe, well, I'm out.You really think anyone cares? I don't mean to troll you but who are you trying to impress with this statement? chadz? cmp? The community? Your buddies?
You really think anyone cares? I don't mean to troll you but who are you trying to impress with this statement? chadz? cmp? The community? Your buddies?
A wipe would be a good and reasonable thing. Guess that's why it won't happen anyway.
A man can dream tho...
If you don't care you are quite naive. You really think there will suddenly appear a bunch of new players replacing those who quit?
If you don't care you are quite naive. You really think there will suddenly appear a bunch of new players replacing those who quit?I bet you 100k gold (if I had that much) that with the new Strat annoucement and a wipe not even 5% of the population is going to quit. I actually think even Kuoin won't. He may not like it but with all the changes incoming - if they are true - not even 10 people will leave.
There will be less players on the servers. I would care about that if I still played.
well with most players walking around in full lordly armour and a +3 gs or polearm and most archers with +3 bow +3 arrows etc something has to be done at some point ^^fixed. :lol:
most ppl have all loomed stuff?That's probably more due to people playing more alts and less their main... cuz of boredom.
When I try to pick up weapons on the ground, the majority of them are non-loomed.
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Claiming that "You don't need looms to play properly" is a double edged sword. If you don't need your looms, then why should you care about a wipe taking them away?
I'm for a wipe because cRPG has been getting pretty stagnant to me and this freshens things up for me quite a bit, IMO.
No they wouldn't because what some don't seem to understand is it's not the looms that is the deciding factor in what makes a good player. Vet players will still wreck new players because they are EXPERIENCED. You could wipe everything and have us all in rags and pitchforks and vet players will still come out on top. People keep looking for excuses as to why they aren't as good as they want to be. Maybe they should just accept that they aren't the best and quit whining and blaming everything but themselves.
But I believe that wipe would have opposite effect, and that people would return after the wipe and that new players would be encouraged.
Claiming that "You don't need looms to play properly" is a double edged sword. If you don't need your looms, then why should you care about a wipe taking them away?Why put effort into anything if it's just going to be taken away? Looms are representative of achievement. If you want this mod to be about casual players who play 2 hours on saturday since there is no longer any reason(s) to play the game with dedication then wiping everything is an excellent way to help achieve that new non dedicated playerbase.
Last time they did a loom wipe I remember them saying they will not be doing that again.last time they did a loom wipe they said they wanted looms to be more rare and special :lol:
No they wouldn't because what some don't seem to understand is it's not the looms that is the deciding factor in what makes a good player. Vet players will still wreck new players because they are EXPERIENCED. You could wipe everything and have us all in rags and pitchforks and vet players will still come out on top. People keep looking for excuses as to why they aren't as good as they want to be. Maybe they should just accept that they aren't the best and quit whining and blaming everything but themselves.
Gen 29, level 33, yes wipe my ass please....
If anything I'd like an heirloom respec based on currently owned heirlooms, but that's it.
Gen 25, lvl 30. I'd welcome full wipe.
I think some of you guys are too attached to your looms. :mrgreen:
Sad, really.
Can't you understand that with a full wipe no one will have an advantage over you?
But off course, chadz was right when he wrote that people don't want balance, they want to have an advantage themselves.
I think some of you guys are too attached to your looms. :mrgreen:
Sad, really.
Can't you understand that with a full wipe no one will have an advantage over you?
But off course, chadz was right when he wrote that people don't want balance, they want to have an advantage themselves.
You guys cheering for wipes. Just delete your chars and start again if you want it that much.
I think some of you guys are too attached to your looms. :mrgreen:But it doesn't make sence if you don't get rid of retiring and heirlooms. In 4 weeks we'd have people with fully loomed sets again and the race starts a new.
Sad, really.
Can't you understand that with a full wipe no one will have an advantage over you?
Your +0 bow and arrows after wipe would be equal to +5 or +6 loomed ones right now because everyone starts from the scratch.
To start playing RIGHT AFTER a wipe gives you tremendous advantage over those people that will join cRPG in future.
Poll added, I should have included it in the first post.missing option: wipe plus get rid of retiring and heirlooms.
They did that already. Gnjus deleted his char, Umbra GTXted then bought a new key...
They keep their crpg skill, which is PRICELESS.
I don't care if we have a wipe or not, just stating some things.
I was talking about new players who take trouble to install this mod because someone told them it's ok, log in for the first time, ask a question in game, get response in style l2p, or alt + x, or some other smartass shit like that, see that they are two years behind the most of the community, see that they can't kill anyone with their pathetic +0 bows and leave.
Oh look - it's Leshma mouth-shitting again.(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
I was talking about new players who take trouble to install this mod because someone told them it's ok, log in for the first time, ask a question in game, get response in style l2p, or alt + x, or some other smartass shit like that, see that they are two years behind the most of the community, see that they can't kill anyone with their pathetic +0 bows and leave.
a wipe would oly be good if they actually balanced range and cav and made melee somewhat challenging again
the game is shit atm, wiping some shit off of the top of a pile a shit, you still get shit in the end.
Cav would get nerfed for like a month because no one could afford it.
Keep going Gnjus, last time I was rude just because I had to do it. You're like an annoying person on the street. You can argue with him, ignore him but in the end you'll have to punch him in the face in order to feel good. That's why insulted you.
Now I'm feeling good about myself and it will pass quite a bit of time before I say the same to you again.
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just introduce permadeath and flee option, would make an interesting change in battle comitment.
see that they are two years behind the most of the community, see that they can't kill anyone with their pathetic +0 bows and leave.Yeah you're right. All the non loomed gear available is useless. They should just delete it it's so bad and useless. 32 pierce battlefork is totally ineffective non loomed. As are all the other weapons/gear. New shop should consist only of loomed items which are given only to new players for free. Also game should punish you the longer you play by reducing xp and gold + your gear breaks (and is unrepairable) and becomes increasingly bad. Also each gen your ping doubles.
I bet you 100k gold (if I had that much) that with the new Strat annoucement and a wipe not even 5% of the population is going to quit. I actually think even Kuoin won't. He may not like it but with all the changes incoming - if they are true - not even 10 people will leave.
I'm with Torben on this one, implement permadeath. It would really promote teamplay.
Voted partial wipe.
Wipe everything except generations and remove heirloom system.
I love how all these people with 20+ gens fully agree with a wipe and then think that them having a lot of gens makes their support for a wipe significant. On the contrary. Them having 20+ gens means that they have a grind mentality and that they will be the first ones to have full looms again after a wipe, because they don't care about retiring and grinding their way back up. 20 generations would've killed me.
It's us 6-12 generations, who are finally done with getting the looms they needed and immediately stopped retiring, because they hate grinding, that are the ones that will be fucked over by such a wipe.
I'm one of those people, and I just think entire loom thing is ridiculous and they should be removed in total. The entire differing armor value things too. I'd be content to have builds be more or less identical and have the customization of gear and so-on exist as cosmetic differences. Basically like Native, an even footing, but with the ability to dress up our dolls a little more purely for aesthetic purposes.
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jew!
I'm one of those people, and I just think entire loom thing is ridiculous and they should be removed in total. The entire differing armor value things too. I'd be content to have builds be more or less identical and have the customization of gear and so-on exist as cosmetic differences. Basically like Native, an even footing, but with the ability to dress up our dolls a little more purely for aesthetic purposes.
I'm one of those people, and I just think entire loom thing is ridiculous and they should be removed in total. The entire differing armor value things too. I'd be content to have builds be more or less identical and have the customization of gear and so-on exist as cosmetic differences. Basically like Native, an even footing, but with the ability to dress up our dolls a little more purely for aesthetic purposes.Then say that instead agreeing with a wipe cause that will not at all help to create such a situation.
Agree, except for the generations wipe. Keep those if possible to reward players who invested a s**tload of time into this mod.
Otherwise... WIPE AWAY!(click to show/hide)
I love how all these people with 20+ gens fully agree with a wipe and then think that them having a lot of gens makes their support for a wipe significant. On the contrary. Them having 20+ gens means that they have a grind mentality and that they will be the first ones to have full looms again after a wipe, because they don't care about retiring and grinding their way back up. 20 generations would've killed me.
It's us 6-12 generations, who are finally done with getting the looms they needed and immediately stopped retiring, because they hate grinding, that are the ones that will be fucked over by such a wipe.
I'm gen 9 and I would love a wipe.Do you fit the other characteristics of the group that would be fucked over by a wipe? Sigh.
It's like a crutch, and it gives an advantage to the people who play the most, the people who are naturally going to already be the most skilled because they have the most play time.
But the wipe would bring in new chances for people to be the next best thing.It would? So players that are bad would suddenly generate skill?
this mod will not last forever,so things you grind now will be gone sooner or later,better now then when you waiste more of ur life on this.
I myself being gen 5 for 2 years agree to a wipe... I've grinded and respecc'd many times and thus is why I am not gen 20... But the wipe would bring in new chances for people to be the next best thing... I also agree with what malaclypse says in the no looms debate... I think the looms are beyond stupid and make it unfair... but they have not hindered my ingame. I have no looms and I reach top of the scoreboard almost every game with no problems... The real factor in this game... is skill. THAT is what these noobs who complain need in order to enjoy the game. and in ending this I say... WIPE THIS SHIT FOR THE ALAMO!
We all know that, but I ain't going to do the same shit for 2nd time. They can wipe it when they shut it down.I get it what you say i hate that too,but this is duing you a favor. You would just stop playing this so much,you will not be pissed off because you loosed multi,you would not grind gens again,you would not care too much for looms...
If the mod is temporary, like you say, why wipe and start over?
Live it up and collect as many looms as you can before its through!
And sorry to say it, wipers (yeah that's what you're called now) but you are being out-voted by a good margin. :)
Do it. I would say good riddance to the people who leave, it'd be neat to see who the new 'top players' would be. Would the present supposed elites climb back to the top without their loom crutch? I'd like to see how the over 31 level crowd would interact with people when they don't have a stat/point advantage.
it'd be neat to see who the new 'top players' would be.Same as the old ones.
Would the present supposed elites climb back to the top without their loom crutch?Yes.
And sorry to say it, wipers (yeah that's what you're called now) but you are being out-voted by a good margin. :)
The reason for wipe is to stop the grinding fest this game has become for so many, to equalize chances for everyone and especially for new playersAre devs going to ensure we all have the exact same PC's and pings? Cause you know we gotta have things 'equal'. Is this a console game?
I love how all these people with 20+ gens fully agree with a wipe and then think that them having a lot of gens makes their support for a wipe significant. On the contrary. Them having 20+ gens means that they have a grind mentality and that they will be the first ones to have full looms again after a wipe, because they don't care about retiring and grinding their way back up. 20 generations would've killed me.I very much agree with this. Grinding equals retarded gameplay in my book the absence of which have always attracted me to WB MP.
It's us 6-12 generations, who are finally done with getting the looms they needed and immediately stopped retiring, because they hate grinding, that are the ones that will be fucked over by such a wipe.
It doesn't make any sense without getting rid of retiring and heirlooms. Grinding fest would start from scratch, what for?
And to clarify one thing, people that support total wipe (and I think I can speak for at least 6-7 of them) are not doing so because they need stop playing and they can't, like some compulsive cRPGists we have here. The reason for wipe is to stop the grinding fest this game has become for so many, to equalize chances for everyone and especially for new players and to show Garison that there is more to life than loom points. :) And if you say that the skills are the most important factor, I agree. But that is actually an argument IN FAVOR of wipe, not the opposite. Cause if you are good, you will stay good without triple loomed equipment and weapons.
Actually, whiners, that's not true. There are atm 67 people who voted for some sort of wipe, while there are 55 of you grinders who are afraid of wipe. It is just that you are louder and whining more.
And that thing about gen 20 is utter nonsense, Teeth. Just browse through this topic and you will see that there are lot of people with different gens and rather successful in trading who are supporting wipe. I'll repeat, gen 10 here, almost 2 years of playing, 15 loom points in equipment, another 6 at a friend atm (not Panos :D), and I am supporting full wipe. There are many others.
And to clarify one thing, people that support total wipe (and I think I can speak for at least 6-7 of them) are not doing so because they need stop playing and they can't, like some compulsive cRPGists we have here. The reason for wipe is to stop the grinding fest this game has become for so many, to equalize chances for everyone and especially for new players and to show Garison that there is more to life than loom points. :) And if you say that the skills are the most important factor, I agree. But that is actually an argument IN FAVOR of wipe, not the opposite. Cause if you are good, you will stay good without triple loomed equipment and weapons.
My thoughts on a wipe:
If one removes the grind element of the game, then I might like it. Be able to balance the game with no heirlooming would probably make the game better overall, and the advantages of veterans removed would be better for new players, I would guess. If it's back to scratch with level grinding and heirloom grinding again I'll lose my interest in this mod and move on to pastures new.
What i'd love is if Heirlooms were to lose all their stat bonuses and would only get some sort of fancier model, like in the final boss's heirloom pack. That'd solve the problem (let's face it, heirlooms added a grind element, whilst screwing over balance) without screwing over high gens too much, wouldn't it?Never chose my armor or my weapon cuz of the stats anyway but cuz of their looks. Adding the heirloom package but removing the stats bonus sounds just fine to me.
The reason for wipe is to stop the grinding fest this game has become for so many, to equalize chances for everyone and especially for new players and to show Garison that there is more to life than loom points. :) And if you say that the skills are the most important factor, I agree. But that is actually an argument IN FAVOR of wipe, not the opposite. Cause if you are good, you will stay good without triple loomed equipment and weapons.Once again, a simple wipe will obviously cause nothing like this. If the game just gets wiped, then the heirloom grinding will start all over again, the equalized chances will last exactly a week. What you say here will only happen if loompoints get removed or changed. In which case I would love a wipe. Fuck loompoints, they are a retarded mechanic.
And that thing about gen 20 is utter nonsense, Teeth. Just browse through this topic and you will see that there are lot of people with different gens and rather successful in trading who are supporting wipe. I'll repeat, gen 10 here, almost 2 years of playing, 15 loom points in equipment, another 6 at a friend atm (not Panos :D), and I am supporting full wipe. There are many others.I'm not saying that only gen 20's are in favour of a wipe, my post was only directed at a few gen 20's, not as a general statement about the type of people that support a wipe. There are obviously many other type of players that support a wipe, mostly people with clouded judgement.
Once again, a simple wipe will obviously cause nothing like this. If the game just gets wiped, then the heirloom grinding will start all over again, the equalized chances will last exactly a week. What you say here will only happen if loompoints get removed or changed. In which case I would love a wipe. Fuck loompoints, they are a retarded mechanic.I agree and +1'd you on this. Make heirlooms just an optic goodie for those who are willing to go that road.
A wipe will not fix anything unless you change the system, it will just set everyone back 1.5 years and tell them to fuck off or do that shitty retiring shit again. I am done with grinding in the current system and I only support a removal of grinding.
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So a lot of people just said yes on a wipe without asking or wondering if anything was going to be changed which defeats the purpose of the wipe itself?
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Seems so. I wonder what happens if they are forced to realize that they weren't beaten by heirlooms alone, too.
It's a very convenient way to protect your identity by just blaming the small advantage that heirlooms give, instead of taking a look at your own playing.
+1. Btw listen to Miralay in ts sometimes when I come and he wants to duel me for some reason :D. "I duel you but you goddamn loom crutcher win because you have everything loomed!". Lol only my armor, lance, axe and horse are loomed. Still missing helmet, boots and gloves so I think I'm not even near fully loomed set (and neither do I even want to be). Still if I lose to someone with full loom set I can only blame myself.Looms are not at all that insignificant.
Lumz = overrated.
Looms are not at all that insignificant.
Let's see what my looms give me.
3c damage, 2p damage, 1 weapon speed, 3 head armor, 10 body armor and 5 leg armor.
+9% damage, +9% damage, +1% speed, +6% protection, +18% protection, +13% protection. Looms make me about 10% better across the board.
Looms are not at all that insignificant.
Let's see what my looms give me.
3c damage, 2p damage, 1 weapon speed, 3 head armor, 10 body armor and 5 leg armor.
+9% damage, +9% damage, +1% speed, +6% protection, +18% protection, +13% protection. Looms make me about 10% better across the board.
They are of no significance, when everyone has them. Try fighting a guy in +3 armor set and +3 weapons with an unloomed 1h, feel the disadvantage as you glance/do little damage again and again, except for perfect hits to face.
They are of no significance, when everyone has them. Try fighting a guy in +3 armor set and +3 weapons with an unloomed 1h, feel the disadvantage as you glance/do little damage again and again, except for perfect hits to face.
I'm kind of trying to practice my blocking on duel server during recent days... If I do not scavenge field for loomed stuff - I usually fail to kill anyone, while with MW... IDK, either it's luck, or guys start to die in front of me. It's usually like this - I have to hit 4-6 times, wile I get 2shottet almost always (those stats involve 2h's mostly, so... yeah, subjective :rolleyes: )
They are of no significance, when everyone has them. Try fighting a guy in +3 armor set and +3 weapons with an unloomed 1h, feel the disadvantage as you glance/do little damage again and again, except for perfect hits to face.
Currently I'm hating cmp so much, not because of wipe but because he won't say (for realz) will there be wipe and when.
Well, its true this is a beta. It's not a matter of if, but when.
I say delay it. :) We should all know it is an inevitability though.
A beta this old is a bit of joke. Like Google selling beta email services to business users.
A beta this old is a bit of joke. Like Google selling beta email services to business users.
What i'd love is if Heirlooms were to lose all their stat bonuses and would only get some sort of fancier model, like in the final boss's heirloom pack. That'd solve the problem (let's face it, heirlooms added a grind element, whilst screwing over balance) without screwing over high gens too much, wouldn't it?That would be acceptable to me. Maybe also just give a small weight reduction (or weight increase for weapon) on the first loom. A +1 armor/damage on the second and on the third the look finally is changed as well.
i think they should reset peoples gold , so to balance out game , some players have amassed millions others have only a few k. set people to equal footing give everyone something like 25k. no need to lose looms or anything.Great idea. Ask for a reset every month to keep things 'equal'. Much easier than actually having to put effort in to the game.
Looms are not at all that insignificant.An extra point in IF or PS pretty well compensates against any loomed 'monster'. Unloomed guy can get 9PS instead of 8.
Let's see what my looms give me.
3c damage, 2p damage, 1 weapon speed, 3 head armor, 10 body armor and 5 leg armor.
+9% damage, +9% damage, +1% speed, +6% protection, +18% protection, +13% protection. Looms make me about 10% better across the board.
What i'd love is if Heirlooms were to lose all their stat bonuses and would only get some sort of fancier model, like in the final boss's heirloom pack. That'd solve the problem (let's face it, heirlooms added a grind element, whilst screwing over balance) without screwing over high gens too much, wouldn't it?
YOU stilll do not understand
STOP TALKING ABOUT MY LOOMS
fuck of
Oh you mean YOU were only playing for 2 months before the wipe? Fuck, of course the entire game revolves around your experiences. How old was the oldest character when the previous wipes happened? As far as I remember there have been 2 full wipes and 1 partial wipe (heirloom/gen adjustement) already, not counting the very first one when the 30 man server that had to be reset every hour or so got changed.OWWMAAHGAWD... I start to like you. Ugh... need to take a shower. I feel so... dirty and... UGH!
And everytime the whine and the "mod is ded!" and the "OMG I'm QUITTING IF THIS HAPPENS", like clockwork, and everytime the mod got more players and ended up healthier because of them.
Or you can do like in merc mod where every player start in max lvl, doubt that woul be fun though.
Soooo Maddd again, just like on my post, lol.You really don't understand
Give looms a cosmetic feature rather than a stat advantage and there you go.
At least people won't be fully pissed off, they'll be rewarded at least in some manner, rather than throwing all of their time invested into gaining those looms into the trash with a full wipe.
On top of this, make the final level cap to lvl 30 (no exeptions), and there you go, you got yourself a non-(extreme) grinding RPG game.how boring.
Or you can do like in merc mod where every player start in max lvl, doubt that woul be fun though.Yeah I tried that mod. Boring and pointless to me. I guess some would like crpg to become similar which is also pointless since they can just play that other mod. I also wonder why they don't just play native then.
You really don't understand
go too hell with wipe and stupid idea,
after 30 gens you want just take it away? to make game fer?
What is unfer there after I spend 30 gens to get that, unfer will be that fuking wipe(what will never happen)
Because I will lose way much after then others,
I earned that myself, my time my effort.
Wipe is way to nowhere because that game will lose lots of player.
Wipe will not help you because new grinders will arrive, some with good skill. They will outreach you again.
Some of them will be like lvl 32 before some of others players notices wipe.
Lets wipe game again after that, to make game balanced?
I am in that game for so long because of my items, character and gens,
Its not like I am good only because of my looms, It is because I know how to play that game effective.
If you don't like current system go and change it, make it fer for everyone and don't forget that den some peps deserve more, because earned that.
Take a few English courses, maybe then I'll be able to read your comment.
Right now, what I see is pretty much this: F3jlkjf3lkjfkj flkjf9doaoiei jfkij3 RAGE fji3jf3jk FER FER fjkleji3j90fjk RAGE fkefjdlkfa RAGE kjlkdfj BUTTHURT SDfkljlfk3flkjl3
Take a few English courses, maybe then I'll be able to read your comment.
Right now, what I see is pretty much this: F3jlkjf3lkjfkj flkjf9doaoiei jfkij3 RAGE fji3jf3jk FER FER fjkleji3j90fjk RAGE fkefjdlkfa RAGE kjlkdfj BUTTHURT SDfkljlfk3flkjl3
sorry I will try to improve my self
now pls counter my arguments(If you don't understand I will explain you that slowly)
hardly earned shit
If you want full wipe , go play native don't fuck with people's hardly earned shit in this game.
If we all didn't want to grind we'd be playing native.
It's a game with an rpg element. That by nature means grind.
Every one of us here likes the grind and likes the end goal of the grind.
but a lot of my enjoyment is knowing I have my completed char.
You have invested your time in your grind, and you have earned the fun you had with your superior char. But now its time to move on and bring some fairness back.Bad news...newbs and bad players will still get smashed. Why don't we have a special server that won't let people use looms and see. I predict complaining of something else once they can't blame looms.
No. Grind is not needed. Not at all. Just give everyone the same amount of attribute and skill and weapon points to spend.
Thats your roleplay element.
No. Not at all. Did you actually read what others wrote?
Sure, this, and that with your completed char you can dominate others that dont have a completed char (yet).
What I am trying to say is, crpgs fun shouldnt be some childish shit like yeah, I have the best shit and now I can kill those that are actually better than me. You often can learn more from defeats than from victories.
crpg should be fun because its not as limited as native. But crpg should (in my opinion) be fair, and at the moment its not. Some can take seven hits and kill with a lucky punch/ slash. Some can wear heavy armor use heavy weapons and outrun naked opponents. Thats crazy.
If you have to privilege certain people over the majority, (in my opinion) it should be the donators and the developers. Those guys pay for the servers, and try to improve the game (although me personally, I hate most of their changes, but I can see that they think about it and its okay for me.)
You kids should try to be not that selfish. You have invested your time in your grind, and you have earned the fun you had with your superior char. But now its time to move on and bring some fairness back.
That's not roleplay. Much of rpg is earning you way up through levels. Just being handed the attributes and skill points entirely negates the idea of it.
I did and I chose to ignore anyone who says 'naw i hate grind'. Everyone here likes the grind on some level and that is fact. Otherwise you wouldn't all be here and I'll ignore anyone who says otherwise because it's clear bullshit.
Haha trust me I have rarely ever dominated in crpg. I don't play frequently enough and am to bad of an HA to be able to. I simply like the sense of achievement.
Giving advantages to donators would essentially be pay to win. And no one likes that. Crpg isn't fair? What advantages do extra gens hold? Heirlooms? You've got to be kidding me that anyone can honestly think they make that much of a difference. Levels? Everyone has equal opportunity to reach higher levels. Crpg is dominated, generally speaking, by those who are skilled, not by those who have heirloomed everything in their 20 gens. At gen 8 I have heirloomed everything I want to heirloom. Does it give me a significant advantage? Hell no. My MW bow is a little better and my champ courser a little faster but that doesn't make up for the fact that I'm pretty crap at using them. And that is the same for everyone. The skilled players will be skillful with whatever weapon you hand them at whatever level. Got killed by a peasant with a cudgel? Likelihood they were just better and that is one of the great things about crpg. You can have grind/achievement, but it doesn't negate skill like so many other games.
What fairness? Everyone starting on a level playing field? Everyone already does. Everyone has equal opportunity to reach a higher skill level. Looms aren't a significant advantage, and level 30 can be reached relatively quickly by a casual player (31 is a different matter) . And handing out the attribute points at the start without any sense of progression really would be a major blow to the mod.
Voted partial wipe.
Wipe everything except generations and remove heirloom system.
Overdriven said pretty much everything there is to say.
Even as casual player you don´t even need a week to become level 30 and enough gold for your desired equipment and enough to upkeep medium to heavy gear loadout, if you have the skill you can beat anyone in this bloody mod. #
1 week. " OMG zhe grind is so awful I never can be as good as other becuz I got RL ya know I don´t want to grind but I want to play. "
You don't understand it? You don't need any heirlooms to play. You don't need to be level 31+.
The heirloom system and higher levels is for people who want to play more actively. Same with Strategus which is / was mostly only possible with either an active clan, a bigger group of people or a good reputation as reliable or skillful fighter and player. The casual people can use Skip the Fun, get 10k gold, play for some hours and can easily use mid gear (- high gear, plate ofc needs more time due to upkeep). If you want to play casual you don't need heirlooms, you probably even don't improve that much in the game and you're more out for fun. Casual means you play when you have time, you don't want the highest achievements available (looms, high lvl), you don't care about competetive things (strategus, now: duel ladder). You only seek the fun.
And Skip the Fun Characters or maybe normal characters (lvling up to 31, once) are enough to have fun.
If you want to reach the highest level, and only have looms, you cant play casually, you have to put more time into the game or play some years. Your choice. No one forces you to play for looms or "grind" to a high level. If you want it, do it and level up. If you dont want to do that, play casually and enjoy the game like it is meant to.
That is why I tend to be a calm guy, I never rage and therefore I have fun even if I die.
Tired of a build? Skip the fun chars can be respecced once a week. Enough to try every build for a good amount of time.
90% of all builds are perfectly fine at level 30.
The level cap should be reachable by the majority of the players, not the minority.How about for gen1 only player STF function to level 33 and ability to make it your main. Also infinite respecs with no xp penalty allowed (once a week). Also 1 free masterwork item and 100,000 gold too. We all happy now?
If only the minority are able to accomplish and obtain the maximum amounts of attributes available, then there's something wrong.
The level cap should be reachable by the majority of the players, not the minority.
If only the minority are able to accomplish and obtain the maximum amounts of attributes available, then there's something wrong.
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Only one thing can piss me off and that's partial wipe bundle of sticksry.
I'm fine with wipe, will stop playing though.
Don't want wipe, which is perfectly understandable and normal.
But partial wipe is bullshit and I bet that people who voted for that option:
1) are high gen but have lvl 30 main (still retiring)
2) are high level but gen 1
3) have looms but no gold
4) have gold but no looms
It's basically asking to fuck up someone else who has something they don't. Pure douchebaggery.
Guess what punks? I have all listed: decent gen count, extremely high level, plenty of +3 looms and I'm a cRPG millionare. And I don't appreciate your votes for dragging me to your level.
Either wipe it or not but don't pull off some bullshit gold/loom/levels partial wipe because that's bullshit.
I got it. Fully loomed ppl are for wipe. Right... so...right. Really. So unbiased.
Fuck you. I have only balanced pike, and i'd hate to have THAT wiped away, cause i am casual player and i have only 2 generations, though i am crpg veteran. Fuck you. No wipe.
No wipe, please. I am not saying this in dramatic way, but I'd stop playing. I spent a lot of time on this game so I could enjoy it more without the need to grind so much, all this would do is invalidate all my hours and give me a strong distaste in the mouth whenever I think about the grind.
I have a life now, maybe you who vouch for this don't or you have fucked up priorities that make cRPG a major part of your schedule. I don't, and I'm not about to re-organize my life to keep up with people that I'm at the same level in time spent and anything else.
Everything is already equal, veterans have earned their leisure from many hundreds of hours and newbies strive for it for max 1-2 months and they're set.
Fuck off and keep your dirty fingers off my looms.
You can start Odin, my plate armor is only x2, care to make it x3 ;), for free of courseYou can start by giving meh lum'd rus cav boots ^^
Funny how people with the least looms are the ones who'd hate a wipe. I'm sure only newbies without a loom would scream for wipe too, but as soon as they get that one precious loom and start their masochistic journey that is cRPG, they probably will hate it as much as the next person who doesn't have so much time on their hands.
When I see people like Leshma, WarLord and other players gen 20+ ask for a wipe in such a desperate manner all I can think is: you played the game too much, you acquired all that you wanted to acquire and now there is no real pleasure in getting looms or gold anymore. Well, too fucking bad. I have probably close to as many hours as you do, but I spent most of them on having fun and enjoying the higher levels. Today I have 3 +3 items, all earned through lots of tedious grinding. Putting me through that grind again because you are bored is a really egotistical thing to do.
So once again, keep your filthy fingers off my looms.
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you guys......
chadz all ready said there wont be any more wipes so chill out an let this thread die.. :lol:
There is no reason to count that without proper build (what is the most important. enen the best player need some str and agi) or skill or even equipment normal player could kill someone.Much of the confusion, crying etc from players is because they are clueless as to making good builds AND they simply haven't played long enough to be skilled enough. Players who blame looms, gold and high levels as the reasons they can't play are excuse makers. Even some vet players make weak excuses 'uh yeah I 'lagged' etc when they get killed by someone they feel they shouldn't have. Some players don't like challenge and instead looking for the easy way to win and preserve their ego (blame everything ELSE of course). I'm not saying looms don't give advantage because they do but it is no where NEAR insurmountable by a player without ANY looms.
you guys......The drama and conflict is addicting though....heh
chadz all ready said there wont be any more wipes so chill out an let this thread die.. :lol:
you guys......
chadz all ready said there wont be any more wipes so chill out an let this thread die.. :lol:
I got it. Fully loomed ppl are for wipe. Right... so...right. Really. So unbiased.
Fuck you. I have only balanced pike, and i'd hate to have THAT wiped away, cause i am casual player and i have only 2 generations, though i am crpg veteran. Fuck you. No wipe.
PS You have 10x fully loomed set of armors weapons and gazillion of gold? Nice for ya, go for wipe, but dont get casual players involved. We have RL, we dont play crpg 5-6 hours per day. 7 hours per week, if we're lucky, ok? Dont be assholes. We already can't compete with your fully loomed spammer 2h average cprg nerd with our +2 weapons at best, and now we're gonna start everything anew.
And don't you talk about madzskill and "you don't need looms bla bla bla". I know one thing - looms give you huge advantage, whether you're able to use it or not, that's your problem. That's all.
signed.Because noobs don't understand what weapons, builds and tactics to use game should be changed to cater to their ignorance? It's only a 'nightmare' if you are inexperienced and refuse to learn.
put a weight limit system based on stat..
skill or not skill.. fight people with 70+ armor and tons of gold.. is a nightmare for new and average player that fight trying to mantain a medium gear.
free panos
Because noobs don't understand what weapons, builds and tactics to use game should be changed to cater to their ignorance? It's only a 'nightmare' if you are inexperienced and refuse to learn.
He's in England these days. :wink::shock:
He's in England these days. :wink:
He's in England these days. :wink:
no, game should be changed to make a better and FAIR game.It still won't matter much if you can't play well. In fact the best players will dominate harder since nobody would have that little bonus looms give.
Though, a wipe would make me interested again.
A wipe would really give this mod life again imo. Atm it is all dull and boring. Everything is the same. Though, a wipe would make me interested again.
So I guess you guys want an official statement?
,not
So I guess you guys want an official statement?
There Will Be A Wipe,not
So I guess you guys want an official statement?
There Will Be A Wipe,not