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Off Topic => Historical Discussion => Topic started by: Safavid on April 07, 2011, 08:00:55 am

Title: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Safavid on April 07, 2011, 08:00:55 am
Ottoman Cannons and Janissaries at work...
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Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Formless on April 07, 2011, 08:25:21 am
Not as glorious as it looks, Suleiman in the end had to resort to negotiations to get Rhodes from the Hospitallers.  The Siege was so bloody and vicious Suleiman was in great danger of losing.  He needed a win badly because his career as Sultan was just beginning and he told everyone he would do it.  In the end he finished it by negotiating the Hospittallers out of Rhodes (So no dude running with a flag and propping it up in victory)  But that is not the end of the story, Hospittallers took their leave and became even a great pain in the ass from their new base at Malta.  Suleiman tried to get rid of them there and at the same open the Med to the Turkish fleet but could not finish the job.  The Hospittallers dung in their heels and gutted it out through one of the bloodiest sieges in history and send Suleiman packing home. 

Mind you Suleiman was a good leader and the Jannissaries were good troops.  But tell the whole story or find yourself in the trap of revising history for your own ends.


P.S  Really round house kicks and jumping slashes.  I see more realism in M&B

P.S 2  Slapping really?  lol  0:22

Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: bredeus on April 07, 2011, 10:02:34 am
"300 like" video of Rhodos battle. Still nice to see other point of view than the European.
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Reyiz on April 07, 2011, 04:50:33 pm
P.S 2  Slapping really?  lol  0:22


Janissaries were trained to slap opponents in unarmed combat by slapping huge marble blocks. When they lost their weapons or the weapons were broken, the janissaries would give such a hard slap to the opponants resulting even breaking their skull :) At least, legends say so :)



Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Teeth on April 07, 2011, 04:55:29 pm
Whats with the cheesy, nationalistic videos. Who makes these?
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: krampe on April 07, 2011, 05:43:28 pm

Janissaries were trained to slap opponents in unarmed combat by slapping huge marble blocks. When they lost their weapons or the weapons were broken, the janissaries would give such a hard slap to the opponants resulting even breaking their skull :) At least, legends say so :)

They probably wanted to injure the eardrum of the opponent, that's a very fast and effective way to disable an enemy.
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on April 07, 2011, 05:49:28 pm
Loool it's that Turkish Graphic Novel that Frank Miller never made and directed as a movie!
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Paul on April 07, 2011, 05:50:24 pm
Post more mindless propaganda videos and we will never allow special Turk armor.
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Reyiz on April 07, 2011, 05:58:57 pm
Post more mindless propaganda videos and we will never allow special Turk armor.

Do you think so? just because a guy keeps sharing videos?? this is not fair!
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: HarunYahya on April 07, 2011, 06:07:23 pm
I just couldn't find the relation between a topic on Historical Discussion and Game Devolopment...
Nice vid Safa.
It's a good video imo. Smells a lil bollywood but who cares ! :P  :mrgreen:

lol
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Do something about new items please =)
Any upcoming patch ?
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Paul on April 07, 2011, 06:54:52 pm
Patch will come within a few weeks if no more propaganda is posted.
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Safavid on April 07, 2011, 08:28:36 pm
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Not as glorious as it looks, Suleiman in the end had to resort to negotiations to get Rhodes from the Hospitallers.  The Siege was so bloody and vicious Suleiman was in great danger of losing.  He needed a win badly because his career as Sultan was just beginning and he told everyone he would do it.  In the end he finished it by negotiating the Hospittallers out of Rhodes (So no dude running with a flag and propping it up in victory)  But that is not the end of the story, Hospittallers took their leave and became even a great pain in the ass from their new base at Malta.  Suleiman tried to get rid of them there and at the same open the Med to the Turkish fleet but could not finish the job.  The Hospittallers dung in their heels and gutted it out through one of the bloodiest sieges in history and send Suleiman packing home. 

Mind you Suleiman was a good leader and the Jannissaries were good troops.  But tell the whole story or find yourself in the trap of revising history for your own ends.


P.S  Really round house kicks and jumping slashes.  I see more realism in M&B

P.S 2  Slapping really?  lol  0:22

Did you know that the person who created the Martial Arts was a Persian Buddhist who lived in India?  The Ottoman Turks civilization is heavily influenced by that of the Persians and martial arts were a part of that.  Wrestling, hand to hand combat, and various other martial arts etc. was widely known amongst the people of West Asia (Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.)  Did you forget how the hypocrite Taliban were blowing up Buddhas in Afghanistan?

Also, there has been a lot of post Ottoman revisionism by colonial powers trying to make the Turks look weaker and not as important to all Western civilization.  Persian, Turkish, Arab, and Indian civilization in the Islamic Empires was the direct cause of the Renaissance following the Crusades where the Templars heavily influenced by Islam created Freemasonry and were persecuted by the Catholic Church.  The Templars became perennial philosophy Muslims so to speak and were persecuted for it.  If people of the former Ottoman, Safavid, and Mughal Empires understood how much they owe to these great civilizations, they would worship them.   Alas, majority of Western history is written by the colonial victors. 
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: krampe on April 07, 2011, 09:09:20 pm
Just an advice: Try less hard and you will be taken serious
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Formless on April 07, 2011, 10:04:13 pm
Did you know that the person who created the Martial Arts was a Persian Buddhist who lived in India?  The Ottoman Turks civilization is heavily influenced by that of the Persians and martial arts were a part of that.  Wrestling, hand to hand combat, and various other martial arts etc. was widely known amongst the people of West Asia (Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.)  Did you forget how the hypocrite Taliban were blowing up Buddhas in Afghanistan?

Also, there has been a lot of post Ottoman revisionism by colonial powers trying to make the Turks look weaker and not as important to all Western civilization.  Persian, Turkish, Arab, and Indian civilization in the Islamic Empires was the direct cause of the Renaissance following the Crusades where the Templars heavily influenced by Islam created Freemasonry and were persecuted by the Catholic Church.  The Templars became perennial philosophy Muslims so to speak and were persecuted for it.  If people of the former Ottoman, Safavid, and Mughal Empires understood how much they owe to these great civilizations, they would worship them.   Alas, majority of Western history is written by the colonial victors.

That sounds very bitter, but don't worry soon we will both be bitter together and forever complain about the Chinese and maybe the Indians.
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Safavid on April 07, 2011, 10:07:20 pm
The truth is a bitter pill to swallow, hence the West ignores the contributions of the Islamic World to the detriment of itself.  Also, yes...I don't look forward to the Chinese/Indians taking over.    :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Paul on April 07, 2011, 10:41:23 pm
On a serious note, I don't know where that inferiority complex comes from. The "West", if there is still something like that,  ignoring stuff is just in your head. I personally think that the Islamic world in the past with its tolerant interpretation of their religion were pretty awesome, before it went back to hurr durr mode. I also think Turkey overcoming the hurr as the only Islamic country with creating a secularistic state at the beginning of the last century was rather awesome too.
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: [ptx] on April 07, 2011, 10:42:59 pm
This board is meant for HISTORICAL discussions, right?
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Bobthehero on April 08, 2011, 07:19:24 am
I will post this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjz1QLv29Bg, run, and laugh hideously.
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Sharky on April 08, 2011, 12:35:41 pm
On a serious note, I don't know where that inferiority complex comes from. The "West", if there is still something like that,  ignoring stuff is just in your head. I personally think that the Islamic world in the past with its tolerant interpretation of their religion were pretty awesome, before it went back to hurr durr mode. I also think Turkey overcoming the hurr as the only Islamic country with creating a secularistic state at the beginning of the last century was rather awesome too.
+1, only really ignorant people thinks muslims empires were made by cavesmens with turbans. Why do you care about this peoples, they will not give a damn about history no matter how much "300" like video you post  :D
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos (Rhodes)
Post by: Safavid on April 09, 2011, 07:41:48 am
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Quote from: Paul on April 07, 2011, 19:41:23
On a serious note, I don't know where that inferiority complex comes from. The "West", if there is still something like that,  ignoring stuff is just in your head. I personally think that the Islamic world in the past with its tolerant interpretation of their religion were pretty awesome, before it went back to hurr durr mode. I also think Turkey overcoming the hurr as the only Islamic country with creating a secularistic state at the beginning of the last century was rather awesome too.
+1, only really ignorant people thinks muslims empires were made by cavesmens with turbans. Why do you care about this peoples, they will not give a damn about history no matter how much "300" like video you post 

Sharky, I agree there are a lot of ignorant people, however it is my duty as a Muslim to teach people about the truth (Haqq).  Here is a really good resource to see how much Islamic Civilization has contributed to the "Rise of the West": www.muslimheritage.com  (http://www.muslimheritage.com)
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Grey on April 09, 2011, 08:43:31 am
In the Khoran it says that to teach the way of Allah, a true muslim lives by example and allows that alone to teach others, to make example of youself is forbidden. But anyway thats a sidenote.

Turks: Kicked ass for a long time, culturally a centre of the "known world" for most of recorded history, spawned amazing developments in art, science, society, warfare, etc. No one with an IQ in double figures doubts that.

Historically tho....Templars kicked their share off asses too...

And artistically, the video.........fucking rofl, UNIFORMS? Little square shields? Volleyfire in superneat outfits? GTFO of here! AHAHAHAHHA!
Thats what I see when I imagine if Bollywood remade Kingdom of Heaven.......


EDIT: And dont come on too heavy with the religious side of the Ottomans, the fine arts of SLAVERY and religious purging were practised by BOTH sides of the centuries long struggle between the two, Christianity and Islam, two sides of the same coin really....such a waste of time...
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Dede on April 13, 2011, 12:35:04 pm
Just for info, this is not a documentary.

The scene is from a Turkish TV series, and is comparable to "The Tudors". In technical terms, I cant criticize it that hard. A episode have to be completed in a week. For this reason, I would not compare it with cinema productions.

The first episode is on youtube with English Subtitles.
(For people who are interested.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XCwGCIKD0Q&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XCwGCIKD0Q&feature=relmfu)
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: HarunYahya on April 22, 2011, 08:46:52 pm
Due to hilarious advertising on TV series in Turkey,an episode lasts for 1h and 40 mins (With ads it is 2-2and a half hours.). So it is hard to shoot a 100 mins episode per week .
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Radix on May 03, 2011, 12:33:21 am
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however it is my duty as a Muslim to teach people about the truth (Haqq). 

yeah, right, and u going to kill me if I dont believe ur truth??

close the topic pls, its meant to be historical, not propaganda and 'truth'.
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: H4rdn3ssKill3r on May 04, 2011, 12:08:56 am
0:22 turks be pimp slapping some european slacks!
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Alex_C on May 06, 2011, 04:32:09 pm
You guys spelt 'Rhodoks' wrong.
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Bobthehero on May 06, 2011, 09:20:07 pm
Bah Rhodoks are a bucnh of pansies anyway :P
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Alex_C on May 06, 2011, 09:22:09 pm
Bah Rhodoks are a bucnh of pansies anyway :P

Oh yah? Then why do they destroy Swadia every time hmm?

Go-go-Rhodokia!
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Bobthehero on May 06, 2011, 09:26:47 pm
Never saw Swadian getting beating by them :P
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Alex_C on May 06, 2011, 09:45:48 pm
Never saw Swadian getting beating by them :P

pff, anti-Rhodok propaganda.
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: H4rdn3ssKill3r on May 06, 2011, 10:02:27 pm
Rhodoks suck... NORDS MURDER EVERYTHING WITH SILLY RHODOKS ON ITS NAME!
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: HarunYahya on May 07, 2011, 03:39:39 am
Rhodoks suck... NORDS MURDER EVERYTHING WITH SILLY RHODOKS ON ITS NAME!
Kidding me right ?
SARRANID FTW !
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Christo on May 09, 2011, 12:54:18 pm
Rhodoks FTW.
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: LordBerenger on May 09, 2011, 01:17:13 pm
Due to hilarious advertising on TV series in Turkey,an episode lasts for 1h and 40 mins (With ads it is 2-2and a half hours.). So it is hard to shoot a 100 mins episode per week .

Yeah i've watched some Turkish series once. It was like advertising each 3rd minute or so lol. Wtf
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on May 09, 2011, 02:06:24 pm
Rhodoks FTW.
These buggers never give up a castle, they are well 'ard. The Khergits and the Swadians make the best land roaming offensive parties.
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: H4rdn3ssKill3r on May 09, 2011, 05:11:39 pm
Rhodoks as I said, are easy to beat, with nords and those big ass huscarls there silly and puny crossbows bounce off those shields!
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: HarunYahya on May 11, 2011, 08:20:27 am
Lol they muted Berenger again
Title: Re: The Battle of Rodos
Post by: verinen on June 05, 2011, 06:35:05 pm
Ottoman Cannons and Janissaries at work...
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Yay, the showed their skill at battle of vienna 1683!