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Off Topic => Historical Discussion => Topic started by: Safavid on April 07, 2011, 06:50:08 am

Title: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Safavid on April 07, 2011, 06:50:08 am
The glory of the Ottomans!

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The Ottomans won many battles and lost some as well, however they were the most advanced military of their time period.  The western world gained it's modern military might from learning from the Ottomans. 
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Formless on April 07, 2011, 07:51:29 am
The Battle of Vienna

Or

Siege of Malta


Everyone wins and losses.  No glory here just dead men.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on April 07, 2011, 01:35:24 pm
I don't see any poleaxes!? No pikes?
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on April 07, 2011, 01:49:24 pm
Yea they manadged to win after they were beaten to dust the previous atempts  :lol:
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Teeth on April 07, 2011, 02:06:34 pm
Spammitars
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Paul on April 07, 2011, 02:58:39 pm
Hmm, Siege of Malta. Almost 50000 Ottomans lost against about 7000 Maltese. It could not have been because of our Turkish friends being worse fighters or tacticians. We all know how awesome they were. It must have been because of suckier equipment.

brb, nerfing near east equip and buffing western stuff.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: krampe on April 07, 2011, 03:22:12 pm
Ding! Fight is ON!
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Opium.dk on April 07, 2011, 03:26:38 pm
That video was so fucking cheesy
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Chagan_Arslan on April 07, 2011, 03:44:49 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5BSwwLkVbU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5BSwwLkVbU)  :twisted:
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: bosco on April 07, 2011, 04:53:14 pm
That video was so fucking cheesy

Propaganda tends to be.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: HarunYahya on April 07, 2011, 06:16:54 pm
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Read the title retards...
Did you really expect to see a video about Ottoman's defeat on Malta or Vienna in this topic ?..
Sigh...
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Post by: OttomanSniper on April 07, 2011, 10:08:02 pm
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Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Bobthehero on April 08, 2011, 05:20:42 am
Uh? I dont want an alliance with you, get out.
You arent immortal!
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on April 08, 2011, 09:21:23 am
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Read the title retards...
Did you really expect to see a video about Ottoman's defeat on Malta or Vienna in this topic ?..
Sigh...

Um, that doesent mean we cant comment on it
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Alex_C on April 13, 2011, 01:26:52 am
did the japanese win this won too :?: :?: :?: :?:
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Bobthehero on April 13, 2011, 02:18:47 am
Japaneese are turks, so are the people of Belgrade, in the end the turks won.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: bredeus on April 13, 2011, 12:10:59 pm
should be moved to spam section...
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Shaehl on April 18, 2011, 07:04:40 am
I'm pretty sure that movie is supposed to a stab at 300 and perceived Persia hate.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Vuchko on April 21, 2011, 05:01:52 am
Who owns Belgrade now and where is the Ottoman Empire?
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Safavid on June 27, 2011, 03:05:47 am
The Ottomans left their culture in Belgrade, it's even in the food people eat.  Regarding the current time, Turkey itself was Greek Ionia, where are the Greeks now?  The Persians also owned it as well, where are they now? :) Empires rise and fall...don't be surprised.  However during their time period they were the best of the best.  Their Janissaries were the USMC of their time. 
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Bobthehero on June 27, 2011, 04:57:32 am
lolUSMC, Janies were like any other elite group, overhyped to hell.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Safavid on June 27, 2011, 08:39:33 am
Yes, a lot of the USMC customs, such as the Mehteran (Military Band), Mameluke Sword (Swords used by the Slave Warriors of the Sultan), Tughra (Seal of the Sultan which is similar to the navy seal), Red Flag (Red Ottoman Flag), and more.  The Janissaries were not overhyped, they were Multi-Cultural Soldiers trained with the best weapons, armor, and technology of their era.  They were the supreme Superpower of their time period, similar to America now.  Once the Ottomans declined, the European powers learning technology from them came up and became the new superpowers...SIMILAR TO CHINA, INDIA, IRAN, AND RUSSIA now...Everything that has advanced these 4 current countries is based on learning from America.  The same way the Europeans learned from the Ottomans.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Bobthehero on June 27, 2011, 08:44:16 am
Thats bullshit, go to hell  :mad:
Title: USMC Mameluke Sword (Ottoman Heritage & United States Marines)
Post by: Safavid on June 27, 2011, 12:23:23 pm
Ottoman Mameluke Sword

A Mameluke sword is a cross-hilted, curved, scimitar-like sword historically derived from sabres used by Mamluk warriors of Mamluk Egypt from whom the sword derives its name. It is related to the shamshir,[1] which had its origins in Persia from where the style migrated to India, Egypt and North Africa[2] and the Turkish kilij. It was adopted in the 19th century by several Western militaries, including the French Army, British Army and the United States Marine Corps. Although some genuine Ottoman sabres were used by Westerners, most "mameluke sabres" were manufactured in Europe or America; their hilts were very similar in form to the Ottoman prototype, but their blades tended to be longer, narrower and less curved than those of the true kilij, while being wider and also less curved than the Persian shamshir. In short, the hilt retained its original shape and the blade tended to resemble the blade-form typical of contemporary Western military sabres. The Mameluke sword remains the ceremonial side arm for some units to this day.

United States Marine Corps


Today's U.S. Marine Corps officers' Mameluke sword closely resembles those first worn in 1826.
Marine Corps history states that a sword of this type was presented to Marine First Lieutenant Presley O'Bannon by the Ottoman Empire viceroy, Prince Hamet, on December 8, 1805, during the First Barbary War, as a gesture of respect and praise for the Marines' actions at the Battle of Derne.[3] Upon his return to the United States, the state of Virginia presented him with a silver-hilted sword featuring an eaglehead hilt and a curved blade modeled after the original Mameluke sword given him by Hamet. Its blade is inscribed with his name and a commemoration of the Battle of Tripoli Harbor.[4]
Perhaps due to the Marines' distinguished record during this campaign, including the capture of the Tripolitan city of Derna after a long and dangerous desert march, Marine Corps Commandant Archibald Henderson adopted the Mameluke sword in 1825 for wear by Marine officers. After initial distribution in 1826, Mameluke swords have been worn except for the years 1859-75 (when Marine officers were required to wear the U.S. Model 1850 Army foot officers' sword), and a brief period when swords were suspended during World War II. Since that time, Mameluke swords have been worn by Marine officers in a continuing tradition to the present day.[5]

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mameluke_sword
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: [ptx] on June 27, 2011, 12:30:35 pm
SIMILAR TO CHINA, INDIA, IRAN, AND RUSSIA now...Everything that has advanced these 4 current countries is based on learning from America.  The same way the Europeans learned from the Ottomans.
Wow, really. Too much cheap movies are no good for you.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Siiem on June 27, 2011, 04:57:55 pm
Yes, a lot of the USMC customs, such as the Mehteran (Military Band), Mameluke Sword (Swords used by the Slave Warriors of the Sultan), Tughra (Seal of the Sultan which is similar to the navy seal), Red Flag (Red Ottoman Flag), and more.  The Janissaries were not overhyped, they were Multi-Cultural Soldiers trained with the best weapons, armor, and technology of their era.  They were the supreme Superpower of their time period, similar to America now.  Once the Ottomans declined, the European powers learning technology from them came up and became the new superpowers...SIMILAR TO CHINA, INDIA, IRAN, AND RUSSIA now...Everything that has advanced these 4 current countries is based on learning from America.  The same way the Europeans learned from the Ottomans.

Yes... because we all know multicultural slaves were the oldiers that would get the best equipment... :|
Title: Re: USMC Mameluke Sword (Ottoman Heritage & United States Marines)
Post by: TehSoviet on June 29, 2011, 06:25:51 pm
Ottoman Mameluke Sword

A Mameluke sword is a cross-hilted, curved, scimitar-like sword historically derived from sabres used by Mamluk warriors of Mamluk Egypt from whom the sword derives its name. It is related to the shamshir,[1] which had its origins in Persia from where the style migrated to India, Egypt and North Africa[2] and the Turkish kilij. It was adopted in the 19th century by several Western militaries, including the French Army, British Army and the United States Marine Corps. Although some genuine Ottoman sabres were used by Westerners, most "mameluke sabres" were manufactured in Europe or America; their hilts were very similar in form to the Ottoman prototype, but their blades tended to be longer, narrower and less curved than those of the true kilij, while being wider and also less curved than the Persian shamshir. In short, the hilt retained its original shape and the blade tended to resemble the blade-form typical of contemporary Western military sabres. The Mameluke sword remains the ceremonial side arm for some units to this day.

United States Marine Corps


Today's U.S. Marine Corps officers' Mameluke sword closely resembles those first worn in 1826.
Marine Corps history states that a sword of this type was presented to Marine First Lieutenant Presley O'Bannon by the Ottoman Empire viceroy, Prince Hamet, on December 8, 1805, during the First Barbary War, as a gesture of respect and praise for the Marines' actions at the Battle of Derne.[3] Upon his return to the United States, the state of Virginia presented him with a silver-hilted sword featuring an eaglehead hilt and a curved blade modeled after the original Mameluke sword given him by Hamet. Its blade is inscribed with his name and a commemoration of the Battle of Tripoli Harbor.[4]
Perhaps due to the Marines' distinguished record during this campaign, including the capture of the Tripolitan city of Derna after a long and dangerous desert march, Marine Corps Commandant Archibald Henderson adopted the Mameluke sword in 1825 for wear by Marine officers. After initial distribution in 1826, Mameluke swords have been worn except for the years 1859-75 (when Marine officers were required to wear the U.S. Model 1850 Army foot officers' sword), and a brief period when swords were suspended during World War II. Since that time, Mameluke swords have been worn by Marine officers in a continuing tradition to the present day.[5]

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mameluke_sword


The reason sabres were adopted was because nobody any longer wore armor... The Ottomans going up against properly armored foes, even 13th century Europeans and they would've been destroyed. As far as I know, the Ottomans attacked and died in hordes trying to take Belgrade, to the point that the Serbs or whoever lived there no longer had any men because they were worn down after all the battles. That's when the Ottomans beat them.         Cossacks attacked the Ottomans for recreation for fucks sake, do you really think they were considered a superpower? Lol!

The way a saber works is that you swipe it after you make contact with your target to deepen/severe the wound, but that would only work against sobs without some proppa' steel protecting them.
And sabers had been around for thousands of years... The Ottomans didn't introduce them to the Russians, the mongols did.
Title: Re: USMC Mameluke Sword (Ottoman Heritage & United States Marines)
Post by: Bobthehero on June 29, 2011, 07:23:05 pm
Cossacks attacked the Ottomans for recreation for fucks sake, do you really think they were considered a superpower? Lol!

You had that history teacher too?
Title: Re: USMC Mameluke Sword (Ottoman Heritage & United States Marines)
Post by: TehSoviet on June 29, 2011, 07:24:01 pm
You had that history teacher too?

The senile racist Italian that sells counterfeit Prada bags? Yeah.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Bobthehero on June 29, 2011, 07:25:07 pm
Well he wasnt Italian, and AFAIK it was the same gy who said Italians were good at making Olive Oil and Pizza, not war, while talking about the war of 1885. And then said how everyone fought the Ottoman when they needed an easy victory or to test new armies/weapons.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Oberyn on June 29, 2011, 07:34:51 pm
Dude, you're pretty frigging  "European-phobe" yourself. Listening to you Western civilization has produced absolutely nothing of worth and owes absolutely everything to Islam. Practically all your posts are about depicting European civilizations as a bunch of inferior savages who stole everything that puts them above cavemen from Islam. Then you wonder why people respond the way they do... You're the opposite side of the coin of the jingoistic self-deluded cultural supremacist who is convinced that people with European origins created all modern technology from a vacuum. The only difference is that the jingoist is biggoted about history that happened about a century ago, you're biggoted about history hundreds of years in the past. Otherwise you're on the same moral and intellectual level.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Svitjodvarg on May 06, 2012, 03:30:22 am
ottomans won by numbers alone and sometimes that wasnt enough lol. Their army were mostly peasants with sticks. and their armor looked liked shit too. whenever i see someone in eastern armor in mount & blade i think to myself ''Does he honestly think that looks good or is he just trolling?''
They ran around in dresses ffs
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Franke on May 08, 2012, 11:42:40 am
The siege of Belgrade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Belgrade_%281717%29)
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Turboflex on May 10, 2012, 06:11:01 pm
I wouldn't really brag about a country declining from "the best" to a shithole. Not just Turks but a lot of people are guilty of this who talk about how great they were 500 years ago but now have dirty backwards,  poor countries where people only go there for discount vacations with cheap beer & cheap women.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: [ptx] on May 10, 2012, 06:34:48 pm
Not everyone has the luxury of having almost a whole continent to just themselves.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Turboflex on May 10, 2012, 06:51:47 pm
part of the problem for these countries is when they decide they need more "lebensraum" to become great... that will not solve rotting problems. Lots of smaller countries are very nice places, desirable to live and make commerce.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on May 11, 2012, 02:30:49 am
whenever i see someone in eastern armor in mount & blade i think to myself ''Does he honestly think that looks good or is he just trolling?''
They ran around in dresses ffs

that's why you attack your teammates in eastern stuff. very good.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Svitjodvarg on May 12, 2012, 01:40:04 am
What? what's your fucking problem you sad fucker? stalking me around the forum? I don't wear eastern stuff and I don't hit team mates on purpose. Like I've seen you do. Go troll somewhere else you sad fucker.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on May 12, 2012, 03:27:50 pm
I don't hit team mates on purpose

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Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Janis_Corp on May 14, 2012, 05:58:07 pm
look battle of liegnitz a mongol army defeat the mightest European army the german teutonic knights+polish heavy cav +Knights Templar+
Knights Hospitaller.
With light cav combined with heavy and some Horsearchers. If is a soldier with peasant clothes or titan armor says nothing. the teamspirit, skills , and expirience are all, and this is what the turk mongol army do,make ambush lure heavy cav out on open field ,turn back charge the enemy from all sides . hit and run tactic . on the end of battle the european army stay alone without any mounted soldiers and get massacred. the same situation like battle of Manzigert where turks lure the byzantian khathapraktos cav out of their army destroy them and the byzantian Infantry get charged in valley from all sides from the turks
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Svitjodvarg on May 15, 2012, 07:08:03 am
look battle of liegnitz a mongol army defeat the mightest European army the german teutonic knights+polish heavy cav +Knights Templar+
Knights Hospitaller.
With light cav combined with heavy and some Horsearchers. If is a soldier with peasant clothes or titan armor says nothing. the teamspirit, skills , and expirience are all, and this is what the turk mongol army do,make ambush lure heavy cav out on open field ,turn back charge the enemy from all sides . hit and run tactic . on the end of battle the european army stay alone without any mounted soldiers and get massacred. the same situation like battle of Manzigert where turks lure the byzantian khathapraktos cav out of their army destroy them and the byzantian Infantry get charged in valley from all sides from the turks

Mongols used cowards tactics.
Title: Re: The Battle of Belgrade
Post by: Janis_Corp on May 15, 2012, 12:36:48 pm
NO thats are decimation tactics.

use plated armor not cowardly??

use bows not cowardly ??

use catapultes,trebuches and co not cowardly ??

come on men,thats bullshit. in a battle or war its none gives any rules , just 2 =kill or get killed