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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: wanteds on July 26, 2012, 10:53:35 am

Title: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: wanteds on July 26, 2012, 10:53:35 am
SOMEBODY, fix this shit already plz.

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Personally, It's killing the mod for me. is it so hard to fix this? It's been an issue for ages.

edit: edited the topic name to avoid confusion.
Title: Re: Fix this plz!
Post by: Silicium on July 26, 2012, 10:55:52 am
You mean autobalance?
Title: Re: Fix this plz!
Post by: wanteds on July 26, 2012, 10:57:36 am
ofc.
Title: Re: Fix this plz!
Post by: [ptx] on July 26, 2012, 11:02:58 am
Those extra 7 players sure seem to be bringing you down.
Title: Re: Fix this plz!
Post by: Christo on July 26, 2012, 11:11:27 am
Working as "intended".
Title: Re: Fix this plz!
Post by: Toodles on July 26, 2012, 11:22:13 am
In my experience autobalance actually works pretty well, usually it just boils down to one team not employing it's strengths - from the look of that screenshot, I'd say either the first team had some SERIOUS mob action going while yours was scattered or yours decided to assault the Vex maul-tower / funnel / tunnel again and again (for reasons passing understanding).

I've always found autoteam works decently when there are over twenty players on the server, but the victors are always those who (knowningly or not) employ their team's strengths and fight on their own terms.

PS : don't fucking assault the maul tower on even numbers, for the sake of my multi.
Title: Re: Fix this plz!
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on July 26, 2012, 11:48:50 am
Make custom helmet or armour for Vex so everybody knows its him. Then all ranged can focus on him and maybe some people stay alive to fight the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Fix this plz!
Post by: Sagar on July 26, 2012, 11:50:57 am
Balance has always been a problem in this game. With the new Banner system, things have only get worse. Now members of the clans play safely together and they have the ability to easily win randomers because thy are more organized, have better coordination using the TS, etc. Battle servers are still bearable, but on the siege servers (EU2) is intolerable especially when there is a large clan as a Gray or HRE, then randomers were sentenced to several hours of X1.

In this way cRPG is turned only clan members, without the support of "common players".

Don't get me wrong. I do not have anything against the clan players, only to point out that the clans are currently in great advantages over ordinary players.
Title: Re: Fix this plz!
Post by: wanteds on July 26, 2012, 01:01:25 pm
as u see in the pic, there was no clan stacking and the autobalance still sucked.
Title: Re: Fix this plz!
Post by: Sagar on July 26, 2012, 01:38:02 pm
It was clear to me, I just made ​​reference to the current state of game balance.
Title: Re: Fix this plz!
Post by: JennaHaze on July 26, 2012, 01:45:56 pm
I think it is fair because clan members should be in the same team irl you cant see a member of your army in enemy side
Title: Re: Fix this plz!
Post by: Dionysus on July 26, 2012, 04:56:32 pm
Quote from: Sagar on July 26, 2012, 11:50:57 am
Now members of the clans play safely together and they have the ability to easily win randomers because thy are more organized, have better coordination using the TS, etc.

Yes, and I think that's the purpose of the clan. They use teamwork to ensure victory for their team. The teams may be balanced according to performance, but I don't think you can balance two teams so that they use teamwork.
Title: Re: Fix this plz!
Post by: wanteds on July 27, 2012, 03:21:29 am
So why not make it a score auto-balance, purely based on scores after 2 rounds or 3.
(btw, I'm cool with clan stacking, and I'm targeting another issue here.)
Title: Re: Fix this plz!
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 27, 2012, 03:27:35 am
Polelord is mad he is in SoA, the 1x clan, and also, when I saw the screen I thought he meant nerf Vex.
Title: Re: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: Renten on July 27, 2012, 04:42:58 am
If you really watch the scores over the course of several maps you'll notice it trades 2 or more players with lower amounts of kills for a player with a high amount of kills. I'd assume the point is that it wants good players vs. a mob, but since the guys who get no kills still amount to no effect it just stacks one side with the good players.

Having 5 extra people on your team is worthless if the last 10 people on the list have 0 kills when the other team only has 3 guys with no kills. You'd imagine the winning side would have just a few people with a large kill advantage, but it usually goes all the way down the list. The only reasons I see that it doesn't evenly distribute kills is that people get mad when they get switched after the second round, which makes the auto-balance unreliable (only having the first round for data is pretty hit/miss) and that it rewards players that are doing well. Once things like several small groups of players with different clan banners being in means it is working well away from optimal balance.
Title: Re: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: Gricks on July 27, 2012, 10:00:20 am
This is seriously the #1 problem with this game right now. It is always one huge x5 farm for the other team. Rarely do we see competitive matches anymore.

Na2 is the worst out of them all. If you aren't rolling with KUTT or Astralis banner it is a constant x1. It wasn't so bad when we could put the banners on.

For an autobalance that is terrible without even taking banner balance into effect, banner balance just makes it 483921x worse(exactly).

I've been adding bad autobalances images to an imgur album.

http://imgur.com/a/lykTu/ (http://imgur.com/a/lykTu/)
Title: Re: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: wanteds on July 27, 2012, 11:21:51 am
Quote from: Gricks on July 27, 2012, 10:00:20 am
This is seriously the #1 problem with this game right now. It is always one huge x5 farm for the other team. Rarely do we see competitive matches anymore.

Na2 is the worst out of them all. If you aren't rolling with KUTT or Astralis banner it is a constant x1. It wasn't so bad when we could put the banners on.

For an autobalance that is terrible without even taking banner balance into effect, banner balance just makes it 483921x worse(exactly).

I've been adding bad autobalances images to an imgur album.

http://imgur.com/a/lykTu/ (http://imgur.com/a/lykTu/)

+1
Nice effort on the screenshots (I had a lot too, but I lost most).

Devs would do good to do something about this, cause its not something that happens rarely, it's there for most of the time and its frustrating.
Title: Re: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: Mlekce on July 27, 2012, 12:33:33 pm
Balance is fine,it is your team problem that doesn't know how to teamplay. probably other team is better playing as team too.
I mean you didn't killed 2h hero once. What were your archers doing?
Title: Re: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: wanteds on July 27, 2012, 12:44:44 pm
Quote from: Mlekce on July 27, 2012, 12:33:33 pm
Balance is fine,it is your team problem that doesn't know how to teamplay. probably other team is better playing as team too.
I mean you didn't killed 2h hero once. What were your archers doing?

not sure if trollin or just a brainfart...  :lol:
Title: Re: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 27, 2012, 01:05:17 pm
Quote from: wanteds on July 27, 2012, 12:44:44 pm
not sure if trollin or just a brainfart...  :lol:
I've played several maps where I'm the only one on my team with a positive kd/breaking equal, fix that shit.
Title: Re: Fix this plz!
Post by: Ubereem on July 27, 2012, 04:46:43 pm
Quote from: Sagar on July 26, 2012, 11:50:57 am
Balance has always been a problem in this game. With the new Banner system, things have only get worse. Now members of the clans play safely together and they have the ability to easily win randomers because thy are more organized, have better coordination using the TS, etc. Battle servers are still bearable, but on the siege servers (EU2) is intolerable especially when there is a large clan as a Gray or HRE, then randomers were sentenced to several hours of X1.

In this way cRPG is turned only clan members, without the support of "common players".

Don't get me wrong. I do not have anything against the clan players, only to point out that the clans are currently in great advantages over ordinary players.
i agree with this shit unless there are two seperate clans on
Title: Re: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: Ubereem on July 27, 2012, 04:48:16 pm
Quote from: Gricks on July 27, 2012, 10:00:20 am
This is seriously the #1 problem with this game right now. It is always one huge x5 farm for the other team. Rarely do we see competitive matches anymore.

Na2 is the worst out of them all. If you aren't rolling with KUTT or Astralis banner it is a constant x1. It wasn't so bad when we could put the banners on.

For an autobalance that is terrible without even taking banner balance into effect, banner balance just makes it 483921x worse(exactly).

I've been adding bad autobalances images to an imgur album.

http://imgur.com/a/lykTu/ (http://imgur.com/a/lykTu/)
yea dude those fkin KUTTs lol are taking over

now thats how u multiquote people
Title: Re: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: //saxon on July 27, 2012, 04:54:04 pm
How about 2 new servers.

EU_Clanless_1
server for all players that are not in a clan ladder. (Auto kicks any characters in a clan ladder)

EU_Factions_1
Server for all Characters in a clan ladder. (Auto kicks any characters that are not in a clan ladder)

but still keep EU_1 for mixed.
Title: Re: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: wanteds on July 28, 2012, 01:18:40 am
Quote from: AzTec on July 27, 2012, 04:54:04 pm
How about 2 new servers.

EU_Clanless_1
server for all players that are not in a clan ladder. (Auto kicks any characters in a clan ladder)

EU_Factions_1
Server for all Characters in a clan ladder. (Auto kicks any characters that are not in a clan ladder)

but still keep EU_1 for mixed.

nah, its not wise to separate the players even more between different servers.
Title: Re: Fix this plz!
Post by: Lichen on July 28, 2012, 01:56:13 am
Team multi is the most frustrating thing about playing. Get on a good team and you don't even have to play good and you'll still roll win after win. Get on a bad team and even if you play the best you can you'll still lose.
Title: Re: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: Bryggan on July 28, 2012, 05:23:36 am
I find it's usually the team play.  One side finds a way that works and keeps at it, while the other team keeps randomly running all over the map.  As a support infantry this really sucks, cuz it usually means I die first.

Mind you, I've also seen games where one team gets stomped, then next round tries something different and stomps the other, so the first team comes up with another play style and stomps again, and so on and so on.  They usually are the funnest games, but kind of crappy for the multi.
Title: Re: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on July 28, 2012, 12:46:19 pm
You really need to distingiush between battle and siege in this discussion. Both work very different, and in my opinion Battle is fine and Siege not.

Never had any problems as a loner getting x5 on Battle, and I allways used the same banner which no one else used.
Title: Re: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: BlindGuy on July 28, 2012, 12:56:37 pm
Quote from: AzTec on July 27, 2012, 04:54:04 pm
How about 2 new servers.

EU_Clanless_1
server for all players that are not in a clan ladder. (Auto kicks any characters in a clan ladder)

EU_Factions_1
Server for all Characters in a clan ladder. (Auto kicks any characters that are not in a clan ladder)

but still keep EU_1 for mixed.


IF ONLY THERE WAS AN EU SERVER WITH NO BANNERBALANCE.....Oh wait....
Title: Re: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: Youhou on July 28, 2012, 01:10:03 pm
Quote from: AzTec on July 27, 2012, 04:54:04 pm
How about 2 new servers.

EU_Clanless_1
server for all players that are not in a clan ladder. (Auto kicks any characters in a clan ladder)

EU_Factions_1
Server for all Characters in a clan ladder. (Auto kicks any characters that are not in a clan ladder)

but still keep EU_1 for mixed.

If this mod only had enough players to fill those..
Title: Re: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: Malaclypse on July 28, 2012, 02:52:21 pm
In any other game a balance system which promotes a pub-stomp would be seen as a fatal flaw, not sure why it's so different in this mod. Hopefully the upcoming experience gain changes will at least make banner balance more bearable if the developers don't see fit to change to a more reasonable method for team balance.

Going outside of clans dominating a game mode and never (or at least, extremely rarely) being split up outside of the first round, it can totally suck to have banner balance or at least to NOT have class balance even just among pub players or in a setting where no clan has more than a few members. Just today on NA 1 we had like 12 v 12 going on. One team wound up with 6 cavalry, the other team wound up with 1 and got stomped repeatedly, brutally.
Title: Re: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: Gricks on August 01, 2012, 12:43:00 am
Bump. This shit keeps getting ignored and it is the worst problem with this mod. Complete stomps every round. Makes it very boring in pub games. Making it so pubbies can't put on clan banners may have been one of the worst decisions by the devs (like autobalance works well w/o banners anyways).

http://imgur.com/a/malMd (http://imgur.com/a/malMd) some more autobalance being bad.
Title: Re: Fix the auto-balance plz!
Post by: Funch on August 01, 2012, 12:56:05 am
http://imgur.com/a/GORjG (http://imgur.com/a/GORjG)

Here are some of mine.