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Title: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Cohen on April 06, 2011, 11:13:11 am
Just to beginn with, this is my first map, so some opinions and suggestions to improve it are always welcome. 8-)

Forest Attack:
Version: 1.2
Download *updated*: http://www.mbrepository.com/file.php?id=2745

This map generally is a standart siegemap. attackers spawn in a forest near a castle which contains the flag in the middle.
They can access the Castle via a ladder, a "to be opened"-maingate and a backdoor. i added some breakable doors in the way, so it shouldn't just be a rush map.
Also you can access the walls from nearly everywhere inside the castle, via several stairs and things like that, so it should be possible to defend the walls against ladders more easily.
I added quite a lot of small details to this map, because the most ones seem so empty and dead in my opinion. i didn't see any perfomance losses at my Pc though.
The playable part of the map is not that big, so there should be quite some action going on. It's totally sourrounded by invisible walls btw.

"patchnotes 1.1":

Patchnotes 1.2

Some Screenshots

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The complete set of Screens you can see here: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197961053874/screenshots/
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Reinhardt on April 06, 2011, 02:31:46 pm
Whatever texture pack you're using, I want.


Oh, yeah nice map, too!
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Cohen on April 06, 2011, 06:37:34 pm
Quote from: Reinhardt on April 06, 2011, 02:31:46 pm
Whatever texture pack you're using, I want.


Oh, yeah nice map, too!

actually i don't know what mod i used, it was too lang ago :( i'm sorry.
i'll ask my clanmates, maybe they do remember.
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Leiknir on April 07, 2011, 01:32:51 pm
Looks nice, uploaded it.
Some early critic:
-There is a hole in your barriers close to the (attackers view) most right windmill. If you want to barrier that much, just use the "scale" field to stretch one barrier, instead of placing multiple small ones. saves work.
- Excalibur in plain sight, hide that thing somewhere in the forest :o
- The riverbed is pretty "rough", you should smooth it a little bit to remove all the spiky things in there
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Cohen on April 07, 2011, 05:30:39 pm
thx for the feedback.
i'll test it for ballance and correct those issues, only with the sword i'm not sure :)
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: NuberT on April 07, 2011, 05:40:25 pm
he is probably using this texturepack:

Movie WB Mod (includes taller grass mod):
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,150311.0.html

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Realistic Colors:
http://www.mbrepository.com/file.php?id=2018
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Cohen on April 08, 2011, 02:51:18 pm
yes nubert is right, those are the two.
thx.
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Diomedes on April 09, 2011, 07:31:29 am
The awning on the castle wall near the river is a very vulnerable spot for ladders.  Any ladders placed up there give the attackers both a quick drop down to the flag (-some health) and a great sniping position.  I haven't played the map yet, so this is just what I can see looking at the screenshots.



it's puurdy  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: zagibu on April 09, 2011, 10:57:13 am
Why is the map 1MB large? Because of the texture pack? It took forever to download...
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Cohen on April 10, 2011, 02:31:31 am
Quote from: Diomedes on April 09, 2011, 07:31:29 am
The awning on the castle wall near the river is a very vulnerable spot for ladders.  Any ladders placed up there give the attackers both a quick drop down to the flag (-some health) and a great sniping position.  I haven't played the map yet, so this is just what I can see looking at the screenshots.

it's puurdy  :rolleyes:
i thougt so too, but actually the defenders seem to be in advantage atm.

Quote from: zagibu on April 09, 2011, 10:57:13 am
Why is the map 1MB large? Because of the texture pack? It took forever to download...

actually i don't really knwo why. it could be, that the actuall mapsize is about 5 times bigger than the played one, or that i simply put in to much details.
i'll try to get the mapsize nearly as small as the actuall played one and remove a large number of details.
i hope i'll get it to work.
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Cohen on April 13, 2011, 12:36:30 am
ok now i know why the file is that big. it's not the great bunch of 3d objects, i simply changed to much on the ground itself. i'll have to look for some acceptable solutions now :(
the best would be a way to get the new terrain code. but i haven't even a clue if this is possible.
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Cohen on April 18, 2011, 11:40:04 am
ok version 1.1 will be uploaded today, if i get to talk to leiknir in irc today.
i still have some questions :)

"patchnotes":
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Cohen on April 18, 2011, 03:23:30 pm
download updated. 1.1 is now live.
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Timotheusthereal on April 18, 2011, 03:28:20 pm
WOW nice! Very woodish/english town or warhammer empire town inspired  8-) at least my opnion.

I like those warhammerish emperish towns in the darkwalden there evil dwells  8-)

Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Leiknir on April 19, 2011, 01:40:12 am
small non fantasy versions is on eu again
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Whalen207 on April 19, 2011, 06:07:11 am
Kind of a pet peeve here but  :evil:
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Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Cohen on April 22, 2011, 04:59:18 pm
it's not yet finished :)

i'll have to look how the balance works out, after some weeks playing and improve it.
so it's somewhat of a beta version now.

if you have actuall feedback to the map i'd be aprecciated
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Camaris on April 22, 2011, 05:07:00 pm
there wouldnt be any sense in this forum if we all wrote in one thread
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Cohen on June 06, 2011, 01:28:52 pm
Updated to version 1.2
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: karasu on February 20, 2012, 12:32:31 am
Hey mate, sorry for reviving the thread, but would it be possible to you tweak the map a bit now that ladders have been removed from the servers?

As i asked to jacko:

Quote from: karasu on February 20, 2012, 12:29:38 am
Hey jacko, since you might have been afk on IRC for a long time I'll post here my feedback on one of the maps in Siege rotation.

It's actually not a C map, it's most specifically the Forest Assault map, which is very unbalanced now without ladders. It's very easy for defense to keep the only 2 entrances very well blocked and guarded all the time.

Perhaps an extra ladder on the left wall would be a good addition (with some additional small tweaks to safeguard defense).

Tell me what you think about it, I'll pm Cohen regarding it since he's the map creator.

If you don't have the time, I can easily tweak it a bit, all credits are yours, it's just to balance things a bit.

Eagerly waiting for feedback,
koldborn
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Digglez on February 20, 2012, 06:09:18 am
map is fine as is now that siege ladders are not useable

there are 4 ways to get inside the main gate and 4 to get inside inner walls, no need for even more ways
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: karasu on February 20, 2012, 02:10:10 pm
4? Are you talking about the same map?

There's a ladder in front easy to block several proceeding doors, and a backdoor where the second door only 1 person at the time can hit.

Not to mention that all the defense entry points are close to the flag due to the map being relatively small.

I'll post pics in a few then.
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Camaris on February 20, 2012, 02:39:49 pm
I will talk to cohen.
He´ll probably find some time to add a second ladder on the back somewhere i guess so its not a primary attack direction.
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: karasu on February 20, 2012, 03:07:10 pm
I PM'd him yesterday. It's just so if he sees fit to do some changes or not, since Jacko is yet to say anything, the lazy bastard.

cheers
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Digglez on February 20, 2012, 06:12:53 pm
Quote from: karasu on February 20, 2012, 02:10:10 pm
4? Are you talking about the same map?

There's a ladder in front easy to block several proceeding doors, and a backdoor where the second door only 1 person at the time can hit.

Not to mention that all the defense entry points are close to the flag due to the map being relatively small.

I'll post pics in a few then.

Left side water, siege ramp, right side archer deck ladder, backdoor

thats 4 ways to get inside the outer walls
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Elmuri on February 20, 2012, 07:30:28 pm
You are talking about a different castle I think
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: karasu on February 20, 2012, 08:26:55 pm
Quote from: Digglez on February 20, 2012, 06:12:53 pm
Left side water, siege ramp, right side archer deck ladder, backdoor

thats 4 ways to get inside the outer walls

That's a different castle mate. The one I'm talking you can easily check on the Op post.

Cheers
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Jacko on February 20, 2012, 09:11:09 pm
Well, so far I haven't had a problem with the map. It's defender biased, but adding another ladder would (imo) make it too easy for attackers; they already have such a short way to the flag from the initial spawn.

I can give the changes a try, but I fear it will favor the attackers too much.
 
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: karasu on February 20, 2012, 09:15:52 pm
Ok, since I already PM'd the creator let's see what he does.

Cheers
Title: Re: Siege map: Forest Attack
Post by: Digglez on February 21, 2012, 08:50:21 am
woops, my bad. continue on~