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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Dravic on April 05, 2011, 09:01:57 pm

Title: Greek shields.
Post by: Dravic on April 05, 2011, 09:01:57 pm
Hey all!

I'm hear to show you some OSP items made by Polish guy. His nick was PrzydatnyCzłowiek.

Hell, what more to say? Take a look at them and you, devs, consider adding them to game.


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Here you are. Enjoy!

PS Link to it:

http://www.filefront.com/17758087/Shields.rar/ (http://www.filefront.com/17758087/Shields.rar/)
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: Magikarp on April 05, 2011, 10:08:27 pm
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Inb4 trollz
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: Poetrydog on April 05, 2011, 11:02:45 pm
+1 this looks awesome. Hoplites can now use an appropriate shield and still get their ass kicked as you downblock. Hoplites a nice idea though. Just a shame they can only thrust
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: Kophka on April 05, 2011, 11:33:38 pm
Quote from: Poetrydog on April 05, 2011, 11:02:45 pm
+1 this looks awesome. Hoplites can now use an appropriate shield and still get their ass kicked as you downblock. Hoplites a nice idea though. Just a shame they can only thrust

It's not the thrust only that's a shame, it's that holding downblock can block a thrust anywhere in the body. Balance > Realism, I know, but of all attacks a thrust is most dynamic.

A left or right strike may be high or low, but it's still coming from the left or right, and can be blocked with a small adjustment, so the animation makes sense. Same with over head, it may be slightly left or right, but it's still coming from overhead. But thrusts, thrusts can be anywhere, arm, legs, feet, chest, face, gut, groin. It just boggles the mind that a single held down block at waist level would stop these strikes, over and over, like a magic force field.

The only fix is the change the down block animation so that it doesn't stay after it blocks a hit. You would have to block each time you got thrusted at. The problem with that is that so many people have gotten to be great players even WITH the broken mechanic that not having it would make spear/shield overwhelmingly over-powered.
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on April 06, 2011, 02:13:39 am
+1 if it comes with hoplite armor
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: Thucydides on April 06, 2011, 08:19:42 am
Hell if crpg had hoplite armor i'd go fucking one hand and go as a hypaspist
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: gazda on April 06, 2011, 08:31:39 am
and duel against hellenic hoplite and gothiv knight would just fit the concept of the game  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: [ptx] on April 06, 2011, 10:04:53 am
And the crossdressing khergit, don't forget that one. Yes, it would.
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: bredeus on April 06, 2011, 10:55:06 am
love the shields, the guy nickname PrzydatnyCzlowiek means HandyMan in polish which is true in this case :)
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on April 06, 2011, 10:57:50 am
Hoplites need some love, this would be great
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: MouthnHoof on April 06, 2011, 05:14:36 pm
Yes! so now I can use a hoplite shield with my xbow, sidesword, webo armor and Milanese helmet set.
 :rolleyes:

Not that they do not look good or anything, I just find it unfitting.
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on April 06, 2011, 05:32:35 pm
Quote from: MouthnHoof on April 06, 2011, 05:14:36 pm
Yes! so now I can use a hoplite shield with my xbow, sidesword, webo armor and Milanese helmet set.
 :rolleyes:

Not that they do not look good or anything, I just find it unfitting.

Lots of things don't fit together in this mod, which is the beauty of it.
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: [ptx] on April 06, 2011, 05:43:50 pm
So the possibility, that, among all the crossdressers, ninja-knights, plated charger riding horse archers and sarranid crossbowmen there might be a hoplite somehow makes the game less immersive and fun for some people. I see your point.
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: RiPLeY_II on April 06, 2011, 09:05:13 pm
If would be great to change shape so the greek shield had 2 "holes" in both sides. They were used by hoplites to couch and thrust their spears through those "holes" whiles still covering. Something like:

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It would be great!
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: Phalanx300 on April 07, 2011, 01:30:49 pm
Greek shields would be nice, just not the fake 300 ones. The one with holes on the side is accurate but it was probably more individual fightign based, believe its an Theban shield or something.

But yeah would be nice for in the mod.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: Torp on April 07, 2011, 03:03:46 pm
implent this... NAOW!
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: Diomedes on April 07, 2011, 03:50:19 pm
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Those shields are quite ancient, being (I think) the common shield of the Mycenaeans (the "Greek" side of the Trojan war).  They're cool looking, and functional, but shouldn't be confused with more classical gear like: visitors can't see pics , please register or login



I think Mycenaean shields were mostly used for dueling after 600BC.  I'm not too sure about this though, and it's worth researching elsewhere.
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: RiPLeY_II on April 08, 2011, 12:03:45 am
Anyway, i was not talking about modifiying the models shown in the original post, but just to add some "holed" shield also. In fact you could clasiffy different "greek styles" shields (be micenean, spartan, athenian or whatever) into tiers, requiring different shield requirement (as is done with nords, swadian, etc in the original)

Variety gives richness to the game.
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on April 08, 2011, 12:15:36 am
Can we just get OP's shield please? Maybe all three, or maybe a heraldic version.

I don't care, really. Can we please just implement at least one of OP's shields?
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: Maira on April 08, 2011, 12:16:32 am
Quote from: RiPLeY_II on April 06, 2011, 09:05:13 pm
If would be great to change shape so the greek shield had 2 "holes" in both sides. They were used by hoplites to couch and thrust their spears through those "holes" whiles still covering. Something like:

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It would be great!

I hope you're not hoping to be able to thrust with those shields while still holding your guard up... Aside from that though, I wouldn't mind them, the more the merrier!
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: RiPLeY_II on April 08, 2011, 12:23:32 am
Quote from: Maira on April 08, 2011, 12:16:32 am
I hope you're not hoping to be able to thrust with those shields while still holding your guard up... Aside from that though, I wouldn't mind them, the more the merrier!

Clearly not. Same mechanics as ever, cover and attack. Even though what could be done is to add some NOT PENALTY FOR 1H WIELD spear. Hoplite-style have very underrated weapons right now (being the better the war spear and battle fork) and would need some more expensive high tier weapon, considering they only have 1 attack direction.

I'd add a trident as a top 1h spear (being one like the roman retiarius gladiator wore).
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: Diomedes on April 08, 2011, 12:50:38 am
Quote from: Maira on April 08, 2011, 12:16:32 am
I hope you're not hoping to be able to thrust with those shields while still holding your guard up... Aside from that though, I wouldn't mind them, the more the merrier!

Actually, this would be pretty awesome.  Hoplites that can attack with more limited range, a little less damage, and who retain their guard would make the class much more practical in-game.  Other players would have to either get around the shield (which is more narrow than most), break it, or get a teammate to help.  Food for thought.

/derailment of a good thread
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: Maira on April 08, 2011, 09:21:48 am
Quote from: Diomedes on April 08, 2011, 12:50:38 am
Actually, this would be pretty awesome.  Hoplites that can attack with more limited range, a little less damage, and who retain their guard would make the class much more practical in-game.  Other players would have to either get around the shield (which is more narrow than most), break it, or get a teammate to help.  Food for thought.

/derailment of a good thread

The problem is that you're not taking into account character builds, even with less range and damage, a str build can kill with one thrust a person medium armored, imagine that in the middle of a messy battle, attacking with block up, killing everyone distracted, and with your "block all attacks in this direction" up. Imagine a agi build, you wont be able to get around the shield, he's too fast and can spin in place, you have to go around, and he will just spam at you, since he doesn't have to block (aside from holding right click), all he has to do is press the left button as fast as he can and wait for you to make a mistake in timing...
Title: Re: Greek shields.
Post by: Peasant_Woman on April 08, 2011, 01:53:39 pm
Id be in favor of adding #1 or #2 from op's shields.