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Title: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Sagar on July 16, 2012, 11:00:06 am
In recent times it is very much application for the new armor. It's nice when we have a lots of new armors, but what interested me more are the new weapons (especially for two handers).
So I ask developers (if they want to answer) - Will there be new weapons for cRPG? If so, whether it could be any time soon?
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Molly on July 16, 2012, 11:01:11 am
I don't think they will.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Mlekce on July 16, 2012, 11:05:34 am
if you make them,they will add it for shure.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Ganner on July 16, 2012, 11:38:17 am
if you make them,they will add it for sure.

And they have a place within the balance to fit them.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Bryggan on July 16, 2012, 11:40:17 am
Wouldn't it be simpler just to nerf two handers?  Just sayin', ya know.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Sagar on July 16, 2012, 11:58:56 am
Wouldn't it be simpler just to nerf two handers?  Just sayin', ya know.

They already nerfed them couple of times, so now they can be only buffed.

And 2H are perfectly balanced weapons (also in real life/medieval combat) so if you are skilled knight you can do lots of shit to your enemy.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Zerran on July 16, 2012, 12:27:49 pm
They already nerfed them couple of times, so now they can be only buffed.

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Look at the history of the Pike, and tell me that after being nerfed a few times you can only be buffed.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: autobus on July 16, 2012, 12:33:49 pm
if you make them,they will add it for shure.

no.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Molly on July 16, 2012, 12:49:26 pm
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Look at the history of the Pike, and tell me that after being nerfed a few times you can only be buffed.
Pike should be faster :( Such a fun weapon actually.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Protemus on July 16, 2012, 01:44:34 pm
giev us moar wepons wit crushtruh and knokdown plese

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Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: bruce on July 16, 2012, 01:50:51 pm
How is there no rpg in crpg? It needs a fix.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 16, 2012, 01:57:50 pm
How is there no rpg in crpg? It needs a fix.

So your saying cRPG has just become the almighty new release of the awaited title 'c'
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2012, 04:22:04 pm
I couldn't care less bout new weapons per say (in already existing categories). I'd rather want completely NEW weapon categories (2h, Polearm, Archery, 1h, Throwing etc...) but some new category of weapons. Dunno what but atleast SOMETHING that's new and refreshing for this mod.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Ptolemy on July 16, 2012, 04:24:44 pm
I couldn't care less bout new weapons per say (in already existing categories). I'd rather want completely NEW weapon categories (2h, Polearm, Archery, 1h, Throwing etc...) but some new category of weapons. Dunno what but atleast SOMETHING that's new and refreshing for this mod.

There's only a couple of weapon types left, the ones I can think of: firearms and chain weapons.

The engine doesn't support chain weapons, and we all know there will never be firearms in cRPG (unless chadz decides to fuck with us all again).
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 16, 2012, 04:25:47 pm
I couldn't care less bout new weapons per say (in already existing categories). I'd rather want completely NEW weapon categories (2h, Polearm, Archery, 1h, Throwing etc...) but some new category of weapons. Dunno what but atleast SOMETHING that's new and refreshing for this mod.

.. So you want firearms?

If I wasn't this lazy I would've redirected you too WFaS
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2012, 04:33:59 pm
.. So you want firearms?

If I wasn't this lazy I would've redirected you too WFaS

WFaS is boring. And it's also derpes if you redirect me to Napeolonic as only SP got RPG feature and not the MP.

And well maybe not necessarily Firearms, but maybe something else. I just dunno there must be some other medieval/renaissance weapon type.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: oprah_winfrey on July 16, 2012, 04:34:43 pm
Please add this 2her that kikimoare made

Irish Twohander
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Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2012, 04:43:00 pm
If we gotta go by current weapons categories then atleast make it refreshing? Like for example. A Rapier that cannot block and only got thrust as attacks? (maybe swings but low cut dmg), Sabre, Horseman's Picks, Swordsstaffs (able to use to counter cav and still be okay for close quarters melee combat).
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: STOPHammerTime on July 16, 2012, 05:36:26 pm
I want to hit people with guitars that break on impact! Rock and Roll!
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: polkafranzi on July 16, 2012, 05:39:21 pm
WFaS is boring. And it's also derpes if you redirect me to Napeolonic as only SP got RPG feature and not the MP.

And well maybe not necessarily Firearms, but maybe something else. I just dunno there must be some other medieval/renaissance weapon type.

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Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Falka on July 16, 2012, 09:47:57 pm
Bad boy  :(
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Autobus already made some awesome weapons but devs are too lazy to add them  :(

Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: BlueKnight on July 16, 2012, 09:56:31 pm
make Wooden practise Longsword with "metal" textures and it will look awesome. It has cool shape.
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Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Osiris on July 16, 2012, 10:02:18 pm
new types would have to be multi char weapons :D chariots or ballistas etc :P
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Peasant_Woman on July 16, 2012, 10:21:02 pm
Flails would be cool, if they weren't impossible to do well with free moving chain and all.

What about a one handed Kama? (War scythe)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_%28weapon%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_%28weapon%29)
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2012, 10:23:39 pm
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Fapfapfap. Perfect anti archers shit. Make it like Napoleonic Wars lol.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Teeth on July 16, 2012, 11:06:56 pm
I think we should have a very early handgun. Just a barrel on a long stick, make it UP as shit, but just for the lols.

Oh and bring Looney Toons Axe back. Although I can't imagine how hard it will suck with the earlier active attacks for teammates.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Kelugarn on July 16, 2012, 11:29:28 pm
I propose that we alter the current state of cRPG "reality" and add back all weapons that were removed (Loony Toons axe, Boulder on a Stick, lance of compensation, firebomb), revert all nerfs to all weapons (awlpike with shield, swingable bamboo spear and long voulge etc), go back to one giant EU server, and then change the XP/Gold system back to the original "your-kill-your-xp-and-gold" level differential based system that cRPG was released with. Just think, everything will be so unbalanced and wildly chaotic that the community will implode and all the pathetic limp wristed whiners will leave or toughen up.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: LordBerenger on July 17, 2012, 12:08:15 am
I propose that we alter the current state of cRPG "reality" and add back all weapons that were removed (Loony Toons axe, Boulder on a Stick, lance of compensation, firebomb), revert all nerfs to all weapons (awlpike with shield, swingable bamboo spear and long voulge etc), go back to one giant EU server, and then change the XP/Gold system back to the original "your-kill-your-xp-and-gold" level differential based system that cRPG was released with. Just think, everything will be so unbalanced and wildly chaotic that the community will implode and all the pathetic limp wristed whiners will leave or toughen up.

Impossible, that would make CRPG fun. People don't want fun iirc.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: dreadnok on July 17, 2012, 05:41:11 am
They already nerfed them couple of times, so now they can be only buffed.

And 2H are perfectly balanced weapons (also in real life/medieval combat) so if you are skilled knight you can do lots of shit to your enemy.

sure they are man. swing on any angle, insta glitch swings, goofy fucking stab that isnt a stab. right on par my man.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: dreadnok on July 17, 2012, 05:42:04 am
Flails would be cool, if they weren't impossible to do well with free moving chain and all.

What about a one handed Kama? (War scythe)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_%28weapon%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_%28weapon%29)

ya more bundle of sticks as ninja weapons is what this game needs
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: dreadnok on July 17, 2012, 05:43:41 am
oooo one more thing stabbing while backing is dumb as fuck. or stabs that start as swings then morph thru my character and take full pierce damage is gay as well.  this whole fucking game is game
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Sir Gilinor on July 17, 2012, 07:22:57 am
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I propose that we alter the current state of cRPG "reality" and add back all weapons that were removed (Loony Toons axe, Boulder on a Stick, lance of compensation, firebomb), revert all nerfs to all weapons (awlpike with shield, swingable bamboo spear and long voulge etc), go back to one giant EU server, and then change the XP/Gold system back to the original "your-kill-your-xp-and-gold" level differential based system that cRPG was released with. Just think, everything will be so unbalanced and wildly chaotic that the community will implode and all the pathetic limp wristed whiners will leave or toughen up.

Ooooooo, what a brilliant idea me boyo. Then I might actually feel satisfaction for killing someone. Well, I'd rather not play on an EU server though.....  :? No offense to all you EU players of course, Id rather live over there anyways.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Macropus on July 17, 2012, 10:02:58 am
How about dual-wielding 1h weapons? It could work just like 1h but each hit would be doubled (with some nerfs, of course). Would need lots of new animations for that though.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Everkistus on July 17, 2012, 10:27:47 am
What I'd really want to see is a Spetum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spetum

It could have stats as such: 9500 gold - 93 speed - 160 reach - 27 cut - 30 pierce (swingable in all directions, can't use with shield).
Kinda like a different type of hafted blade.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Lech on July 17, 2012, 11:48:59 am
What I'd really want to see is a Spetum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spetum

It could have stats as such: 9500 gold - 93 speed - 160 reach - 27 cut - 30 pierce (swingable in all directions, can't use with shield).
Kinda like a different type of hafted blade.

I'd rather give it more cut power as it's similar to glavie (in perfect world it should have piercing-cut type of side strike damage) in terms of slashing.

X speed - x reach - 33 cut - 29 pierce (speed and reach depend on the reach, top should have also pierce-cut type of damage in perfect world).

Now, find a person willing to model it. (some partisan would be also cool).
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Turkhammer on July 17, 2012, 05:28:32 pm
I couldn't care less bout new weapons per say (in already existing categories). I'd rather want completely NEW weapon categories (2h, Polearm, Archery, 1h, Throwing etc...) but some new category of weapons. Dunno what but atleast SOMETHING that's new and refreshing for this mod.
Wut, like gatling guns?
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: PanPan on July 17, 2012, 05:31:42 pm
Add the deadly Backstab and a hidden blade :O
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Kelugarn on July 17, 2012, 05:36:08 pm
Ooooooo, what a brilliant idea me boyo. Then I might actually feel satisfaction for killing someone. Well, I'd rather not play on an EU server though.....  :? No offense to all you EU players of course, Id rather live over there anyways.

I only threw in the bit about a giant EU server with only random plains maps because that was all we had back in the day. I never did like it and once we did get NA servers I was more than happy to play with 70 ping instead of 243.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: autobus on July 17, 2012, 05:46:05 pm
What I'd really want to see is a Spetum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spetum

It could have stats as such: 9500 gold - 93 speed - 160 reach - 27 cut - 30 pierce (swingable in all directions, can't use with shield).
Kinda like a different type of hafted blade.

I'll do model if you make sure the weapon will be added.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Polobow on July 17, 2012, 05:48:54 pm
I want to hit people with guitars that break on impact! Rock and Roll!

We can use the lute model. I mean, seriously, add it. Just look at the torch or throwing hammers? Do you really think they fit in balance? They're just for fun there.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Kelugarn on July 17, 2012, 06:05:11 pm
I'll do model if you make sure the weapon will be added.

Devs always say "Give us a model and we'll add it"
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: autobus on July 17, 2012, 06:12:19 pm
Devs always say "Give us a model and we'll add it"
Yeah they do but nonetheless i'd like to have official response from item balance team on the weapon before i start doing it.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Everkistus on July 17, 2012, 06:32:16 pm
Alright Autobus, you got a deal. I'll try my best.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Tanken on July 17, 2012, 10:59:25 pm
Need a one-handed weapon with a very slight chance of crush-through.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Rhekimos on July 17, 2012, 11:14:31 pm
Need a one-handed weapon with a very slight chance of crush-through.

I'm pretty sure crush-through is deterministic. You either get crush-through on the player with X in strength and Y in shield weight every time or not at all.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Lyozsha on July 20, 2012, 08:06:08 pm
New items don't just need to be for balancing purposes.  They could have the same stats as other items,  but a different look for flavor. 
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: oprah_winfrey on July 20, 2012, 08:09:23 pm
I'm pretty sure crush-through is deterministic. You either get crush-through on the player with X in strength and Y in shield weight every time or not at all.

I am pretty sure that is not how it works.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Anteep on July 20, 2012, 09:29:48 pm
Question: Will there be new weapons?

Answer: There will be new weapons.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Phew on July 20, 2012, 09:52:53 pm
I am pretty sure that is not how it works.

Yeah, it's a percent chance based on weight ratio between the weapons/shield. I've blocked a maul then been crushed through on the next swing. And no to more crushthrough weapons, I already feel dirty when I get knockdowns with my military hammer, crushthrough would be embarrassing.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Kelugarn on July 20, 2012, 09:54:51 pm
Crush through does depend on weapon v weapon and str v str though, I've blocked overheads from great mauls with my glaive at 18 str and a quarter staff at 27 str. It does depend on chance, weight v weight, and attackers stats.
Title: Re: Will there be new weapons?
Post by: Ohayashi on July 20, 2012, 10:30:27 pm
Crushthrough in itself is too 'fixed' a feature. In actuality, especially with the block animation, is a one hander going to absorb a heavy 2H or pole overhead? No. It's going to slide down and off the blade onto your head. A more fluid system that continuously calculates weapon weights and whatnot would be more realistic.

But such widespread crushthrough would rustle more jimmies than it'd be worth.