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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Belmont on January 05, 2011, 09:12:57 pm
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It might still be too early to make this post but if the current upkeep formula stays intact I think it's appropriate to post this already. As it stands, many players have heirloomed items they can no longer afford most of the time, limiting their favorite equipment to a pure dice roll, creating a lot of frustration for these players as they're unable to use what they worked for. Several items have also been heavily changed, maybe no longer fitting the original purpose the user wanted.
Refunding heirlooms is certainly not an easy task but I believe it is worth the effort as many players would heirloom items they like now, instead of just simply the best items (as they're very hard to maintain) creating slightly more build and equipment diversity.
Any suggestions and/or improvements are welcome.
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As giving out new heirlooms is probably quite a lot of work how about it making it cost X amount of money? I think 100k or more would be a good price as many high generation players have stockpiled a LOT of money and it will take a long time with the upkeep system to drain their bank thus creating a big money sink which is what the upkeep system is intended for (more or less).
EDIT: Price is just a suggestion, a more appropriate value can be found.
EDIT2: Another heirloom reset topic (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,677.0.html)
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I totally agree to this :O
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We can't make fun of the guy who heirloomed his sumpter/practice sword/dagger/quaterstaff/etc... anymore. :(
Our heirloomed item is one of the only thing the costy retirements gave us, and now we can't even use it anymore.
(Also heard that heirlooming an item increases it's base value, thus increasing it's repair cost. :shock: )
I thought it was following the 7 stats of an item :
Broken - Semi-broken - Used - NORMAL -1st heirloom -2nd heirloom -3rd heirloom
And that every time you get unlucky, it goes down by one category, and to get it back to the BEST state depends of the cost of the item. In this thought, why not indeed increase the base value, since it gives us 1/2/3 more broking chances, but as it is now, it's automatically pay/paymore/payevenmore.
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In this thought, why not indeed increase the base value
It IS increased with every heirloom level.
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No need refunds. Let your weapon break down to its base stats and then keep it there
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It IS increased with every heirloom level.
Yep, and every time my weapon was broken (decreased to a lower tier, i had to repair the full cost !
But i now know why, stupid auto-repair is set on yes, and it costs as much to "repair" your item from 2nd heirloom to 3rd heirloom as from Broken to 3rd heirloom.
I thought at least, since we're using auto-repair, it should cost 1/3 of the "full" repair cost only.
To be really effective, you'll have to go back to the cRPG site before every new map to repair weapons, since (i think) you can't do it between rounds of the same map (not taken into accounts).
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Bump before it's forgotten in page 2. I would like to have more opinions, suggestions and criticism.
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Would love too I got a tempered flamberge which I'm not going to use most probably.
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I would like my heirloom "points" back to switch heirlooms as the ones i have now are too costly and DEFINITELY do not serve the same purpose as they were originally intended
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Totally agree, people spent weeks to retire and heirloom their equip , now that it's nerfed/ changed/ too costly to upkeep they deserve to repick their heirloomed items instead of being forced to retire over and over again.
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Agreed. No need to fix. Just let it break.
Maybe make breakages to heirloomed equipment less severe. A broken heirloomed sword would still hit harder and faster than a broken non heirloomed sword.
Everything is supposed to be more costly to repair and upkeep now, so i think this will remain a feature. With heirloomed equipment you are supposed to be able to kill more people-win more often-get more cash. And you don't have to use it all the time. I think too many people are reliant on the fact that they have heirloomed equipment to win battles (ducks for cover from flame).
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I agree so much on this
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As giving out new heirlooms is probably quite a lot of work how about it making it cost X amount of money? I think 100k or more would be a good price as many high generation players have stockpiled a LOT of money and it will take a long time with the upkeep system to drain their bank thus creating a big money sink which is what the upkeep system is intended for (more or less).
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I got screwed over on all 3 of my heirlooms, military pick because there is a new pick now :/, elite scimitar because well its just expensive and horrible, and my mail and plate, which costs a ridiculously impossible upkeep amount. So yeah i would like mine back :/
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Yeah, repicking heirlooms would be nice. I went to full cav, and I have ridiculosly overpriced deadly German Poleaxe which costs 19k.
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Not sure if anyone realizes this, but upkeep on heirloomed items is the same as upkeep on the normal version of the same item.
Example:
I have a Masterwork Long Espada Eslavona. After the hot-fix, it's been broken and repaired for 401 gold.
Using the figure of repair cost = 5% of base value, 401/0.05 = 8020.
Which is about the cost of a normal Long Espada Eslavona, 8026.
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Retired characters allready have lost everything :
Xp bonus severely reduced
no more wpf bonus
they paid for something that is free now
And now they must pay more for heirloomed items...
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Retired characters allready have lost everything :
Xp bonus severely reduced
no more wpf bonus
they paid for something that is free now
And now they must pay more for heirloomed items...
Not sure if anyone realizes this, but upkeep on heirloomed items is the same as upkeep on the normal version of the same item.
Example:
I have a Masterwork Long Espada Eslavona. After the hot-fix, it's been broken and repaired for 401 gold.
Using the figure of repair cost = 5% of base value, 401/0.05 = 8020.
Which is about the cost of a normal Long Espada Eslavona, 8026.
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It's not about the price of repairs , it's about people who've spent weeks to retire and heirloom the stuff they wanted , and now that the game is almost completely changed, they deserve the right to repick their heirlooms. Otherwise they are forced to grind and retire all over again . Afaik that's not what chadz wanted us to do (grind) in the first place.
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It's not about the price of repairs , it's about people who've spent weeks to retire and heirloom the stuff they wanted , and now that the game is almost completely changed, they deserve the right to repick their heirlooms. Otherwise they are forced to grind and retire all over again . Afaik that's not what chadz wanted us to do (grind) in the first place.
I wasn't addressing that point.
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I wasn't addressing that point.
Well, you should be , after all this is what this thread is all about.
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People like me that would like to change heirloom is because of the upkeep on high tier weapons.
I have a tempered flamberge that would cost me around 800 alone (If what you say of base cost is true) it's not cheap and I would give the heirloom to another sword if given the possibility.
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would be helpful on my plate armor heirloom. what's the chance it will happen?
Maybe give us 1-2 refunds at least? :D
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Well, you should be , after all this is what this thread is all about.
And people seem to be under the misguided notion that upkeep on heirloomed items costs more than upkeep on the normal version of those items.
I would like to see some sort of heirloom refund/exchange program implemented as well, I have some heirloomed items that I cannot even touch with the patch.
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It's not about the price of repairs , it's about people who've spent weeks to retire and heirloom the stuff they wanted , and now that the game is almost completely changed, they deserve the right to repick their heirlooms. Otherwise they are forced to grind and retire all over again . Afaik that's not what chadz wanted us to do (grind) in the first place.
No they don't deserve to re-do their heirlooms. You already had your moments, now you are still better than gen 1 players as you have option to use said heirloomed items. Stop crying.
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No they don't deserve to re-do their heirlooms. You already had your moments, now you are still better than gen 1 players as you have option to use said heirloomed items. Stop crying.
Feel free to post an argument, there is no reason for your hostility.
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Yeah, repicking heirlooms would be nice. I went to full cav, and I have ridiculosly overpriced deadly German Poleaxe which costs 19k.
I support this. Heirloomed items that can't be used suck.
@ UrLuker, I understand a bit of bitterness towards people who put in the time and effort to retire before, when you perhaps did not. However, saying "they don't deserve to repick their items" is immature and childish. Let's not go there.
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No they don't deserve to re-do their heirlooms. You already had your moments, now you are still better than gen 1 players as you have option to use said heirloomed items. Stop crying.
Crying ? It's actually you who acts like a trouble teenager most of the times. I'm quite happy with my heirloomed items on my both characters. I'm just rooting for people who have been damaged after the patch.
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Crying ? It's actually you who acts like a trouble teenager most of the times. I'm quite happy with my heirloomed items on my both characters. I'm just rooting for people who have been damaged after the patch.
Lol. It's actually you who act like a trouble teenager most of the times.
You made such choices, deal with those. They made their choice, patch was announced way back in the past. They should see it coming, they had their time to exploit their choices.
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Lol. It's actually you who act like a trouble teenager most of the times.
You made such choices, deal with those. They made their choice, patch was announced way back in the past. They should see it coming, they had their time to exploit their choices.
And you continue yet again with your hostility. Ujin is not the one who writes "fuck you", "bitch", "fuck", "overpowered asshole" after dying in the chat constantly nor does he badmouth players for killing him either. I was hoping your next post would be constructive but alas I expected too much of you. Also, the retirement system was implemented a long time before the patch was announced, in my case for example I had already finished heirlooming all my items before it was announced.
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And you continue yet again with your hostility. Ujin is not the one who writes "fuck you", "bitch", "fuck", "overpowered asshole" after dying in the chat constantly nor does he badmouth players for killing him either. I was hoping your next post would be constructive but alas I expected too much of you. Also, the retirement system was implemented a long time before the patch was announced, in my case for example I had already finished heirlooming all my items before it was announced.
Sure. I continue, why shouldn't i ? Hostility as response to hostility is generally acceptable. And now YOU are hostile. Neat double standards.
Do i done it this patch ? Beside, fuck you and bitch was reserved for teamhitters and teamkillers in my team. Fuck is neutral. I didn't actually insulted anyone without good reason boy - and getting killed by someone was not good reason for me. So BACK OFF your lies. Did i talked about patch balance ? Of course.
People have more than month to heirloom stuff they find worthy. They should deal with consequences. If you find it hostile, i lol.
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Sure. I continue, why shouldn't i ? Hostility as response to hostility is generally acceptable. And now YOU are hostile. Neat double standards.
You ignored my first post requesting you to stop your senseless hostility and answered with hostility once again. As you said yourself "Hostility as response to hostility is generally acceptable".
Beside, fuck you and bitch was reserved for teamhitters and teamkillers in my team. Fuck is neutral. I didn't actually insulted anyone without good reason boy - and getting killed by someone was not good reason for me. So BACK OFF your lies.
The few times I've played with you say otherwise but there is no point in continuing this discussion on this topic, if you wish to continue do so via PMs.
Did i talked about patch balance ? Of course.
Telling people to "deal with it" and to "stop crying" about valid concerns is now balance talk? Neat.
People have more than month to heirloom stuff they find worthy. They should deal with consequences.
I am not surprised you do not care about people who have heirloomed items as you're one of the players who has refused to retire. A huge change in mechanics should allow players the chance to adapt. We already had the chance to respec and in my opinion being able to repick our heirlooms would be a good addition.
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People have more than month to heirloom stuff they find worthy. They should deal with consequences. If you find it hostile, i lol.
I heirloomed gothic platemail with bevor 3 times on a pure strength character before the patch was ever announced. Post-Patch, it's VERY difficult to maintain. I retired and did a lot of grinding, all while having guys like you who won't retire kill me as a peasant over and over. I paid my dues, and got an item heirloomed, all working within the game system as it was presented to me. Now, all that was for nothing if I can't use my heirlooms.
Your bitterness towards a select few people who retired 14+ times is being directed at gen 5-6 people who didn't get OP wpf bonuses. You say we don't deserve to repick heirlooms? Think logically, reflecting on what i've said. And ask yourself if you'd feel the same way if you were stuck with heirlooms you couldn't use any more. I suspect that if you're honest with us, and yourself, you'll see my point of view.
But, then again, based on your previous posts, I suspect you won't be being honest with us, at the very least. As a matter of fact, I don't even know why I bothered to post this....
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I heirloomed gothic platemail with bevor 3 times on a pure strength character before the patch was ever announced. Post-Patch, it's VERY difficult to maintain.
I am in a similar boat, I have heirloomed Black Armour before the patch. I no longer see it as a viable item to have. I think refunding heirlooms is a great idea as some of the equipment has changed in stats during the patch in price, damage and speed. There are many players who are stuck with items they would have never bought with the current stats. That is a shame if you consider how much peasant time these players put in grinding out retirement after retirement.
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i have an entire loomed milanese plate+ plate parts collecting dust
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You ignored my first post requesting you to stop your senseless hostility and answered with hostility once again. As you said yourself "Hostility as response to hostility is generally acceptable".
I didn't ignored it. Ujin did it. You were first to show hostility toward me among us.
Telling people to "deal with it" and to "stop crying" about valid concerns is now balance talk? Neat.
This part of my response was about in game talk about balance.
I am not surprised you do not care about people who have heirloomed items as you're one of the players who has refused to retire. A huge change in mechanics should allow players the chance to adapt. We already had the chance to respec and in my opinion being able to repick our heirlooms would be a good addition.
You have the option now.
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Patch information (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,738.0.html). Topic closed.