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Title: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Herve_le_celtic on July 10, 2012, 07:17:25 pm: I think it's a stupid question but i dont understand Why is my proficiency in bows too low :

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Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Sultan Eren on July 10, 2012, 07:22:09 pm: Weapon master gives you wpf points.
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Arrowblood on July 10, 2012, 07:25:22 pm: You need more WPF ,90 is way too low.
And why only 2 WM? with 18 agility you ca have 6 weaponmaster wich gives you the wpf you need.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,9160.0.html (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,9160.0.html) Try a build from this. You will see that you are more effective and deadly with one of these.
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 10, 2012, 07:45:11 pm: Quote from: Herve_le_celtic on July 10, 2012, 07:17:25 pm
I think it's a stupid question but i dont understand Why is my proficiency in bows too low :

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I would seriously suggest respeccing your character especially if you wish to go archer, or wait until you retire (your nealy there)

Basically a good archer build is 18/21. With this you get to use the longbow and rusbow so the 2 main damage bows. Not only that but 6 ironflesh and 6 powerstrike with an archer is not needed, those points should go into power draw, athletics and weapon master. However what i can see from your pic is that your going horse archer, in this case your build should in fact be 15/24.

I will post my current horse archers build.....

Strength:15
Agility:24

Weapon Master:6
Athletics:2
Riding:6
Iron Flesh:0
Shield:0
Horse Archery:4
Power Strike:0
Power Draw:5
Power Throw:0

Weapon Proficiency

One Handed:2
Two Handed:1
Polearm:1
Throwing:1
Crossbow:1
Archery:162

Unfotunately i put 2 into athletics with this horse archer, if i were you i would not put any in athletics, instead i would then go 7 weapon master with 7 riding
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Herve_le_celtic on July 10, 2012, 08:03:30 pm: Big Thank you to all ! I learnt a lot with U ; (sry for my english im french) :D I will retire and rebuild my character...
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Arrowblood on July 10, 2012, 08:07:10 pm: And spend the loompoint to a bow.
Always loom the bow before you loom your arrows.
Because you get +1 damage and +1 speed to the arrow.
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Ronin on July 11, 2012, 02:17:20 pm: No one seems to give the most useful advice to you:
In crpg, archery and melee can not go well together. To be a good archer, you have to be a dedicated archer with no power strike and no other wpf.
Every point spent to power draw, decreases your archery proficiency by 14 (or 13). With the build you have, you have less than 0 wpf actually. So your power draw has gotten lower than 6 even.

Think about it, if it does worth going for archery. You will have no option but to shoot and run like a peasant, while another character at your level will be swinging his highland claymore and destroying everything in it's way.
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: OpenPalm on July 11, 2012, 03:40:30 pm: Quote from: Ronin on July 11, 2012, 02:17:20 pm
In crpg, archery and melee can not go well together. To be a good archer, you have to be a dedicated archer with no power strike and no other wpf.

Think about it, if it does worth going for archery. You will have no option but to shoot and run like a peasant, while another character at your level will be swinging his highland claymore and destroying everything in it's way.

Not true. My archer has 6 ps and 95 1h wpf. I sacrificed some archery wpf for it, but I'm still fairly accurate, especially when using tatar or horn bows.
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Vammo75 on July 11, 2012, 07:54:34 pm: Does HA lowers archery wpf?

Otherwise you should be able to use your 6 PD with wpf > 84 (6*14), (although not very accurately).
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Ronin on July 12, 2012, 02:02:59 pm: Quote from: OpenPalm on July 11, 2012, 03:40:30 pm
Not true. My archer has 6 ps and 95 1h wpf. I sacrificed some archery wpf for it, but I'm still fairly accurate, especially when using tatar or horn bows.
Well, let's say I didn't find it as useful as other builds but good luck with it. I might be wrong.
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Arrowblood on July 12, 2012, 03:59:06 pm: Quote from: Vammo75 on July 11, 2012, 07:54:34 pm
Does HA lowers archery wpf?

Otherwise you should be able to use your 6 PD with wpf > 84 (6*14), (although not very accurately).
HA decreases your accuracy on foot or if you stand with the horse.
I Tested it a few times and a 15/24 Ha on foot is so accurate like a 15 /18 footarcher.
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 13, 2012, 03:26:43 pm: Everyone suggests respeccing i would suggest grinding your last 1,5m xp and retire, otherwise yoll lose 3,5m xp, you better just grind the last part for the loom/gen, waste of your time to respec so close to 31.

Ill let the help on builds to the pros cause i dont have a clue what build that is..
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: no_rules_just_play on October 08, 2013, 12:12:52 pm: I am going to necro this because I am wondering if a 13 powerdraw character is possible? Or will I only be able to use 8 (example) of my powerdraw because I have too little wpf?
I know that's how it is for throwing, but how is it for archery?
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Jeraz on October 08, 2013, 01:58:23 pm: Quote from: no_rules_just_play on October 08, 2013, 12:12:52 pm
I am going to necro this because I am wondering if a 13 powerdraw character is possible? Or will I only be able to use 8 (example) of my powerdraw because I have too little wpf?
I know that's how it is for throwing, but how is it for archery?

In my understanding this wont work, cause you can only go 4 above the max PD of the bow your using, The highest bow is a 6 PD bow so if you get that one you are only using 10 of the 13 PD, so going annything above 10 would be useless. But you can use 10 PD (altrough you wil be extreemly inaccurate)
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: no_rules_just_play on October 08, 2013, 02:00:35 pm: I used it on dtv, it was not accurate at all (if you are shooting crowds of bots), but it was very slow and i couldn't even onehit (body shot) weaboos with mw bodkin arrows.
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Jeraz on October 08, 2013, 02:02:06 pm: Quote from the mega game mechenics treath:

-> Only bow difficulty + 4 points of power draw will be taken to account. For example using nomad bow (difficulty 3) with 9 power draw would result in only 7 power draw being effective

Edit:
(14*PD)-((1.4)^PD)
1 PD = 12.6
2 PD = 26.0
3 PD = 39.2
4 PD = 52.1
5 PD = 64.6
6 PD = 76.4
7 PD = 87.4
8 PD = 97.2
9 PD = 105.3
10 PD = 111.0
11 PD = 113.5
12 PD = 111.3
13 PD = 102.6
14 PD = 84.8
15 PD = 54.4

You can get it but you still need the right WPF, the above list shows the WPF loss, so you need enough to compansate to still use the bow
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Templar_Steevee on October 08, 2013, 10:49:51 pm: http://forum.melee.org/guides/archery-guide-fo-new-players-by-steevee/

All i know about archery is here, maybe you will find sometning interesting for you in here.
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Ronin on October 09, 2013, 12:47:11 pm: Don't make a high PD archer. Make a High wpf archer with less than 3 PD! Short bow with bodkin arrows that is! It can be good if you are good with headshots.
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Nightmare798 on October 09, 2013, 02:07:03 pm: this is the first time i have ever seen archer with 6 iron flesh, because yeah, you will be totally fighting in front lines as archer.
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Ronin on October 09, 2013, 02:51:35 pm: ironflesh is not useless even if you are not on the frontlines. Search for Ranged Damage (https://www.google.com.tr/?gws_rd=cr&ei=QFFVUoOJFYrStAaEnIGQCg#q=ranged+damage)
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Hirlok on October 09, 2013, 03:09:46 pm: Quote from: Nightmare798 on October 09, 2013, 02:07:03 pm
this is the first time i have ever seen archer with 6 iron flesh, because yeah, you will be totally fighting in front lines as archer.

you will, because less than 1% of the melee geniuses understands the concept of "protect your ranged and move out only after they have softened up the enemy..."

Oh, and from my recent builds I'd say: do not go over 7 or 8 pd. Powerarchers are not wanted in c-rpg, so we got fucked over and over again, until high pd archery was not feasable any more - the added damage does not give you a lot of oneshots, and you can't hit shit beyond 5 meters...

No reason though to become another one of the 2 or 3 pd my old friendchers... ;-)
I have PD7 atm with 162 WPF, quite ok, will go PD8 next gen with approx same WPF at 33 :)
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Templar_Steevee on October 09, 2013, 03:54:49 pm: 6 PD works really fine and IMO it's no reason to go higher than that.
You should also remember that an archer with below 5 PD won't be hired to strat battles, simply because lowest PD bow is horn bow (at least on EU i don't know about NA)
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Nightmare798 on October 09, 2013, 06:52:05 pm: Quote from: Hirlok on October 09, 2013, 03:09:46 pm
you will, because less than 1% of the melee geniuses understands the concept of "protect your ranged and move out only after they have softened up the enemy..."

Oh, and from my recent builds I'd say: do not go over 7 or 8 pd. Powerarchers are not wanted in c-rpg, so we got fucked over and over again, until high pd archery was not feasable any more - the added damage does not give you a lot of oneshots, and you can't hit shit beyond 5 meters...

No reason though to become another one of the 2 or 3 pd my old friendchers... ;-)
I have PD7 atm with 162 WPF, quite ok, will go PD8 next gen with approx same WPF at 33 :)

if you get engaged in melee as an archer, IF is going to do little. it entirely depends on how well you can parry/move.

plus your team mates are here to cover you.
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Ronin on October 09, 2013, 07:53:11 pm: Quote from: Nightmare798 on October 09, 2013, 06:52:05 pm
plus your team mates are here to cover you.

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Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Gurnisson on October 09, 2013, 08:07:35 pm: I see people call strength archers inaccurate. This is false, the accuracy is very good, but the draw speed and movement speed is awful. If well protected, the 9-10 PD archer is really scary, on his own he gets eaten by agility shielders, throwers or cavalry.
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Hirlok on October 09, 2013, 11:06:39 pm: Quote from: Gurnisson on October 09, 2013, 08:07:35 pm
I see people call strength archers inaccurate.

Depends on your definition of inaccurate... Yes, my PD10 incarnations could shoot people from ladders at about 8-10 meters. But longbow sniping half across the map simply does not work - and against pussy archers you have the problem that they are way faster and way more accurate, even at distances where the longbow should be more accurate than some short piece of a rotten root or whatever they make these small things of.

At PD 6 and 7 (8 is getting worse, but still ok for me) I am fairly fast with the mw longbow and do quite a bit of damage - best compromise for me.

And at 160-180 WPF the sniping fun begins. :twisted:
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Templar_Steevee on October 10, 2013, 12:52:11 am: I have 183 WPF in archery and ppl hates me, especially on strat battles when I'm defending castles, with long bow (only one i like) i'm able to shoot ppl in head from creazy distances XD
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Nightmare798 on October 10, 2013, 11:02:01 am: Quote from: Templar_Steevee on October 10, 2013, 12:52:11 am
I have 183 WPF in archery and ppl hates me, especially on strat battles when I'm defending castles, with long bow (only one i like) i'm able to shoot ppl in head from creazy distances XD

i can almost see those aimbot accusations...
Title: Re: My proficiency in bows is too low !
Post by: Templar_Steevee on October 10, 2013, 06:39:35 pm: accuracy is still far away from pinshots with longbow, but with +3 nomad aiming thingy is closed :)