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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => Closed Requests => Topic started by: Syrio_Forel on April 03, 2011, 01:39:09 pm
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I was ban on EU2 for killing team killer. He hit me and run i caught him and kill i always do that so if somone not like this ok dont unban me. I will always kill purpose hitters, team killers kickers or rest of this morons. By that i whant to teach them good manners. I was ban when play as GK_Khal_Drogo.
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I will always kill purpose hitters, team killers kickers or rest of this morons. By that i whant to teach them good manners.
Not on our servers.
Your unban date has not been set yet.
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In this context, I want to remain banned I do not like that teamkillers have more rights than normal players. You ban me and don't even ask me why i kill that guy, do that every time less good players will play
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He don't need to ask, because you're a teamkiller.
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In this context, I want to remain banned I do not like that teamkillers have more rights than normal players. You ban me and don't even ask me why i kill that guy, do that every time less good players will play
Go read the rules.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,2606.0.html
And let me point out:
"No intentional teamwounding/teamkilling"
Let me also point out that there is no exceptions.
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its true though if someone team hits you at spawn then runs most people (im gussing) wouldgo after them and hiut them back but the admins only see the guy whos geting payback as a team hitter and the real team attackers get away
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this guy not hit me in the spawn that its usualy a mistake, no this guy hit me minute later where was no enemy, so i cach him and kill. I always to that(recently, there are many blunt players hitting their teammates). When i do that i always write why, but in this game i have no chance i was ban instantly.
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this guy not hit me in the spawn that its usualy a mistake, no this guy hit me minute later where was no enemy, so i cach him and kill. I always to that(recently, there are many blunt players hitting their teammates). When i do that i always write why, but in this game i have no chance i was ban instantly.
Go read the rules.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,2606.0.html
And let me point out:
"No intentional teamwounding/teamkilling"
Let me also point out that there is no exceptions.
I personally would rather you not hunt down people even if there is no enemy nearby, as it still might have been an accident. I once accidently piked someone when doing a bunch of bocks in a row, testing my new wpf speed, only to hit the wrong button and hit a team mate.
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I see when someone try new weapon they spam like hell and i keep distance from them. This guy see me run to me and hit, not other spam one strike, hit and run immediately. I realy know when someone hit particularly, and someone who do that in mistake. When its mistake he usually says sorry and i say np .
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He don't need to ask, because you're a teamkiller.
Why insult me. I dont know you i never play witch you, never see yours nick in game, and you call me teamkiller. Why you even write in this post you never see how i play.
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You even admitted to teamkill the guy who slashed you, why do you take it as an insult?
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Its easy
teamkiller - a man trash, who wants to destroy others fun
killer of teamkillers- good guy
Maybe you see now the difference
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No difference.
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So I'll say it more clearly for you. You was attack by teammate and another teamemate kill the attacker. The first is teamkiller and second its good guy. You see the difference now.
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So I'll say it more clearly for you. According to our rules, there is no difference. Arguing about it is useless.
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Arguing its never useless. Maybe you somdays see in argue somthing that change you point of view. And the rules when they are wrong should be change. You know people in history often change a bad rules to better, they sometime do that by arguing.
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Sorry, but vigilantism isn't allowed (and it certainly isn't better) - if you want to punish the offender you report him.
If you can't accept the rules then you can't play on our servers.
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this guy not hit me in the spawn that its usualy a mistake, no this guy hit me minute later where was no enemy, so i cach him and kill. I always to that(recently, there are many blunt players hitting their teammates). When i do that i always write why, but in this game i have no chance i was ban instantly.
Did you ask the guy why he teamhit you?
Cause if i follow your reflexion you should have asked him, but you didn't give him a chance, you teamkill him already.
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Sorry, but vigilantism isn't allowed (and it certainly isn't better) - if you want to punish the offender you report him.
If you can't accept the rules then you can't play on our servers.
truly i whant report on every teamkiller i know but in game there are no always admins whan i se some admins i know i noticed them when see no admin I take justice by mayself. I dont have time on take pictures of each teamkiller, and without proof you dont ban him(this is logic and good rule). So if you think that i am a bad player then ban me forevre. I am honor guy and say that once if you unban me I will still kill every teamkiller i see.
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In real life there is a law, you may know it.
"The right of self-defense (according to U.S. law) (also called, when it applies to the defense of another, alter ego defense, defense of others, defense of a third person) is the right for civilians acting on their own behalf to engage in violence for the sake of defending one's own life or the lives of others, including the use of deadly force"
Not guilty, unban.
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Did you ask the guy why he teamhit you?
Cause if i follow your reflexion you should have asked him, but you didn't give him a chance, you teamkill him already.
No i dont ask he was a Ninja and when i catch him there was the time that he could write something. I am no angel, I to sometimes hat bad throws and when i hit a guy I say sorry even if that not kill him.
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In real life there is a law, you may know it.
"The right of self-defense (according to U.S. law) (also called, when it applies to the defense of another, alter ego defense, defense of others, defense of a third person) is the right for civilians acting on their own behalf to engage in violence for the sake of defending one's own life or the lives of others, including the use of deadly force"
Apart from the fact that cRPG is not real life, this is an EU server, not US.
if you unban me I will still kill every teamkiller i see.
Then I'm afraid we can't unban you.
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In real life there is a law, you may know it.
"The right of self-defense (according to U.S. law) (also called, when it applies to the defense of another, alter ego defense, defense of others, defense of a third person) is the right for civilians acting on their own behalf to engage in violence for the sake of defending one's own life or the lives of others, including the use of deadly force"
Not guilty, unban.
Thank you for for bringing to the conversation meaningful arguments
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Apart from the fact that cRPG is not real life, this is an EU server, not US.
Then I'm afraid we can't unban you.
Its ok to me, we all have own private rules, and I am not betraying my.
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In real life there is a law, you may know it.
"The right of self-defense (according to U.S. law) (also called, when it applies to the defense of another, alter ego defense, defense of others, defense of a third person) is the right for civilians acting on their own behalf to engage in violence for the sake of defending one's own life or the lives of others, including the use of deadly force"
Not guilty, unban.
Besides even if this was the case i doubt that following a person who have hurt you for a while just so you can kill him covers it. That one, as far as i understood it, pretty much covers immidate threats to your safety which wasnt the case here.
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While in the real world the preciousness of one's own life justifies the self defense law, this does not apply ingame. There you just respawn and that's it. Leave the law to the admins, report tkers and then stay away from them. A more fitting analogy than the self-defense thingy is when someone starts to piss on your shoes(while you are in them), you do the same as a response. While an American court might let you get away with that and maybe even congratulate you for your grasp on the eye-for-an-eye principle, a proper one will sentence you both for indecent behaviour.
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Sorry for this totally unrelated post but reading this is just hilarious. Ahhhh, the stupidity.
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Sorry for this totally unrelated post but reading this is just hilarious. Ahhhh, the stupidity.
Still you gotta give the dude props for sticking to his believe, even tho he will never be able to play on the servers again :wink:
(most people either lie or give a half-assed promise that they will never repeat their offense again..he actually promises he will repeat it, just pure awesomeness)
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I was ban on EU2 for killing team killer. He hit me and run i caught him and kill i always do that so if somone not like this ok dont unban me. I will always kill purpose hitters, team killers kickers or rest of this morons. By that i whant to teach them good manners. I was ban when play as GK_Khal_Drogo.
Might I point out his name starts with GK. He's probably back in native and can we just close this thread now?
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As much as i dislike this Sylio Forel guy (and i sure hope he knows i dislike him, for being a spamitar + huscarl noob + not a really friendly guy to go with it) but i sincerely think he should be unbanned here.......the fact is that there is loads of teamattacking & teamkilling guys around, not to mention naked leechers & ladderpulters, who do their best to destroy other people's gaming experience, but to tell you the truth: i have never seen this spamming bastard do anything that would go against the rules (so far) and i think he should be unbanned.
We all have occasional alarming lapses of concentration here, our nerves break during this highly frustrating game and we do something uncontrolled but i think this is a classic case of someone who generally sticks to the rules to get himself provoked into "offense" by some random retarded piece of naked/leeching/plainly "simple" shit into "breaking the rules". There are a few others "applications" that could be very easily solved but its all down to the admins and their understanding of justice.
PS: yeah, saying something like " i deliberately TKed that moron and ill do it again" is not a very nice thing to say out loud but hell....we all know what he ment and most of us agree with him. I, for one, know what he is talking about, since i ALWAYS get those random teamhitters & teamkillers regret the day they joined this mod and i always "get away with it", killing them is a joy that could only be compared by things like orgasm, winning a lottery, etc.......in other words: you admin folks should introduce a "common sense rule" down here. Names & "reputations" should have some meaning & weight around here, i mean would you believe that someone with impeccable history in cRPG mod suddenly just cracked like a popcorn and started to teamkill people around ? I don't think so........
Also its not his/mine/whoever fault that there is no admin present at this precise moment, who could judge this situation clearly....when this shit happens to me i sure "defend" myself, don't know about the rest of you people.
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i mean would you believe that someone with impeccable history in cRPG mod suddenly just cracked like a popcorn and started to teamkill people around ? I don't think so........
I would because it happens and reputation means nada, the second it does start to mean something and people start taking their word for it, there will be mass bans because "that guy tk'd me and hurt my feelings" when in reality they simply had a disagreement over the colour of their shoes or something ridiculous.
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I would because it happens
Sorry but it doesnt. Try to imagine people like Kinngrimm, Oberyn, Ujin, Leiknir, etc, etc, just cracking like that and doing shit....it doesnt happen.
Not even ragers like Serth, Bjord, Joxer, myself, [insert many more names here] do (over the top) shitty things....let alone those calm & cool guys, who you never hear a word from.
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I can imagine Leiknir doing it, that's because I know him so well. ;)
But if you where right there would be no need for an admin abuse forum. As their reputation would be as good as having admin if people should just take their word for it.
Edit: I'm not saying I wouldn't believe those people if they said x tk'd me but I don't have any proof, I am just saying that I would not ban on their word alone. (Thats me personally)
Edit again: Come to think of it we are going off topic of the thread, I will not post any further if you would like to discuss this tho please make another thread. :)
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You admins do a great job at monitoring the players and it is an appreciated job. However, I think the bans are a little strict sometimes.
Team-killing, team-wounding, and chat-spamming are really minor crimes. A kick will usually solve it, and if they repeat several times, a 20 min ban. I'm sure this would solve 99% of problems. I don't see anything wrong with revenge-kills or revenge-wounds.
Now, rules are rules, and the rules are pretty clear that no forbidden activity will be tolerated...but is this a just rule? We, as a player-base, should appeal to justice in our rule system.
Whats with all these multi-day bans for the most petty crimes of team-killing and the like?
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imo the best way how to deal with TKer or the one who teamhits on purpose is to KILL HIM, and KILL HIM QUICKLY. by this things will be solved by themselves easily. if sbdy is banned for TKing some retard, than it is a sad story for me. common sense comes first imo, or is it not a common sense to fight(TK) retards back?
btw i'd like to see this implemented:
if sbdy TKs than the killed one gets an option: 1 - kick the TKer, 2 - keep him ingame
(or maybe not after 1st TK on map rotation, but by 2nd... was just brainstorming, but general idea is clear imo)
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a TK for a TK makes your whole team dead...
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To Gnjus: yes I to have much love for you cowardly xbowmen, but thanks you for read and for yours opinion. I was shocked that you write good word for me. I dont whant talk to you like to complaining child anymore (during 5 seconds).
To Beer: I kill lots of TK, when see if somone attack, schoot or other stupid things and hits teammats i kill him and never be attack by others players of my team. Often they even thx me.
To Earthdforce: GK is cRPG Clan "Great Khans"
To Paul: Maybe it's only a game but you can learn from here. I am sick of people who when see something bad happen never helps. Just pretend they not see anything.
To admins: Try be more patient. Give a chance to say why that happend. The usually there are witnesses who may confirm somone version.
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To admins: Try be more patient. Give a chance to say why that happend. The usually there are witnesses who may confirm somone version.
That doesn't change the fact that intantional TK (be it rage, revenge or prevention) is not allowed.
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the problem is that the team attackers are getting sneaky now days E.G waiting for an admin to go off or team hitting then when the person go to hit them back they screen it to make it look like their the "Victim" when its a load of bs so its hard to determine who the real team attackers are...
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the problem is that the team attackers are getting sneaky now days E.G waiting for an admin to go off or team hitting then when the person go to hit them back they screen it to make it look like their the "Victim" when its a load of bs so its hard to determine who the real team attackers are...
That's exactly why you shouldn't revenge TK.
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the problem is that the team attackers are getting sneaky now days E.G waiting for an admin to go off or team hitting then when the person go to hit them back they screen it to make it look like their the "Victim" when its a load of bs so its hard to determine who the real team attackers are...
What you are describing is that its hard to tell who started team attacking first, which is exactly why revenge teamkilling is a terrible idea. While i think its too bad hes being forced off by his beliefs i still believe that if everyone was allowed to revenge tk. That would make it incredibly hard to be an admin as the logs (afaik?) dont actually show who started it and you people can always hide behind the "i was just taking revenge" excuse when team attacking.
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What you are describing is that its hard to tell who started team attacking first, which is exactly why revenge teamkilling is a terrible idea. While i think its too bad hes being forced off by his beliefs i still believe that if everyone was allowed to revenge tk. That would make it incredibly hard to be an admin as the logs (afaik?) dont actually show who started it and you people can always hide behind the "i was just taking revenge" excuse when team attacking.
Aye, and just to make it even more complicated. What happens if someone by an accident strikes you, and you go berserk and attacks him? Syrio Forels attitude doesnt open for doubt in such situations, and he will then actually be the main offender. Even such logs as you describe wouldnt solve this situation, as the guy who missed the enemy and hitted the teammate looks like the offender in such a log.
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Some games give you options when you are TK'd.
For example, your teamie kills you in the spawn. When you die, you get a menu:
1. Kill player
2. Wound player to 1 hp
3. Forgive player
4. make player naked the next round
or something like that. Wouldn't that make this whole discussion (and the admin's jobs) much easier?
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To Gnjus: yes I to have much love for you cowardly xbowmen, but thanks you for read and for yours opinion. I was shocked that you write good word for me. I dont whant talk to you like to complaining child anymore (during 5 seconds).
Have you been banned for over a month now ? Cause i think its that long since i used a crossbow last time..... :wink:
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Some games give you options when you are TK'd.
For example, your teamie kills you in the spawn. When you die, you get a menu:
1. Kill player
2. Wound player to 1 hp
3. Forgive player
4. make player naked the next round
or something like that. Wouldn't that make this whole discussion (and the admin's jobs) much easier?
Maybe it would help a little. But someone who kills you in spawn probably doesn't care too much about their score or playing the game as it is meant to be played. Most trolls would probably shrug off sitting a round out or being wounded, and most of them are naked anyways :P
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Have you been banned for over a month now ? Cause i think its that long since i used a crossbow last time..... :wink:
No this is my first ban I have a little time for play so I dont see you a long time.
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Aye, and just to make it even more complicated. What happens if someone by an accident strikes you, and you go berserk and attacks him? Syrio Forels attitude doesnt open for doubt in such situations, and he will then actually be the main offender. Even such logs as you describe wouldnt solve this situation, as the guy who missed the enemy and hitted the teammate looks like the offender in such a log.
Sorry but if enemy is near and somone hit me its ok shit happens. I kill guys who are pure Tk when he attack me or my teammate wich no reson where are no sing of enemy. But when that happend you can ask: "why you kill him" is that so hard? Saing that rulse say i must ban you because you kill teamkiller ist very bad argument.
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Sorry but if enemy is near and somone hit me its ok shit happens. I kill guys who are pure Tk when he attack me or my teammate wich no reson where are no sing of enemy. But when that happend you can ask: "why you kill him" is that so hard? Saing that rulse say i must ban you because you kill teamkiller ist very bad argument.
What if I kill some guy who I don't like, then when asked I say he was a teamkiller?
You're not omniscient, admins aren't either. Sorry, but it just doesn't work that way.
Anyway, this has gone on for long enough. You can make another thread when/if you decide to accept the rules.