Forgot the other comment you made to me and the hit in the spawn was an accident by me. Not even giving me time to say sorry.
Oh, and then following me to seige server just to ban me there.. fuck you dude, come to eu now you lame ass punk.and i'm the one suppose to take a break?
and i'm the one suppose to take a break?Yes, reason for ban from seige server? Playing?
so lets review, you team wound me in spawn, run away, I call you idiot. You kick.Insulting me in every post is classy?
I come back and tell you to take a pill, you ban.
Then you follow me to seige server and ban there too, wow classy.
go fuck yerself.
Banned for team wounding?you misunderstand.. he team wounded ME at spawn, then kicked me when I called him an idiot...
Permabanned on ALL SERVERS FOR TEAM WOUNDING?
Goddayum. What happened to second chances?
That's just dumb. You get banned from Battle for 1 thing , that means being banned from siege too and be forced to play on TFO ? Thanks to this administration, soon there won't be many people left to play on NA servers except Hospitallers / ATS *sigh*
In all seriousness, Goretooth is not the most relaxed admin of all time.
I was banned from the NA Battle server for simply telling him he got owned after being punched to death. I understand being temperamental and my comment was designed to induce anger, but there is no real justification for such a harsh punishment. I was only banned for disrespecting an admin, which isn't against server rules. Not only this, but it was my first offense which is listed as a warning and a kick. Goretooth should be able to earn my total respect without the use of such force, much like Nindur has.
It is the trademark of great admins to make themselves go unnoticed, and Goretooth does anything but that.
Also, Zisa has had a rather drastic change of heart. :rolleyes:WRONG.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,3389.msg60838.html#msg60838
I think what we need to take from this is that criticism of admins shouldn't be an immediate ban, regardless of how authoritarian your father was.
I agree with Zisa. Admins who ban just because they are mildly insulted do not deserve to be admins. Keeping a cool head in the face of grave insults like "idiot" is essential to the job.Need I say anything? :rolleyes:
Now open flaming of an admin for no good reason is another story, but since Goretooth did hit zisa and didn't even say sorry, I would say that is reason enough for zisa to unleash her foul mouth and spew vile scures such as "Idiot" and "take a pill". thoughts?
i enjop fightnging goretotj becuawes i like a challenghe and he gives me one!!!
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i dobn't knwoew how to spell when i'm drunk!!
I agree with Zisa. Admins who ban just because they are mildly insulted do not deserve to be admins. Keeping a cool head in the face of grave insults like "idiot" is essential to the job.
Now open flaming of an admin for no good reason is another story, but since Goretooth did hit zisa and didn't even say sorry, I would say that is reason enough for zisa to unleash her foul mouth and spew vile scures such as "Idiot" and "take a pill". thoughts?
I think this has gone on too far. Zisa used to be an admin, which means she knows what the rules are and knows how to enforce them. I totally believe Zisa, because you don't even say sorry for teamkills, Goretooth. You also use the ban hammer a lot, and it's for reasons that I don't believe are legitimate. Zisa's a good player, and for something like that, she doesn't deserve a ban...
I was on my horse, and I was the last person left. I got a lance, and then you kicked me. I came back and told you that you needed to reform the way you adminned, and you banned me. Allers got banned for saying you were crossing the line when you banned Artemis. People shouldn't be banned for one personal comment, and should at least receive a warning.
Unban Zeesy :(
I listen and talk to those willing and unban very fast.
You should not have banned this person in the first place. And its beyond amazing that devilize allowed this ban to stand. Any other sane person would have removed the ban along with your admin privileges.He makes a valid point.
This thread and your person are prime examples that the admins need some sort of overseer system.
and i'm the one suppose to take a break?
My question is : Is goretooth donating monthly ? That's the only valid reason I see for him to keep his powers after so much abuse toward good and friendly players who never deserved a ban...
Good question.
Goretooth: I'm telling you, NA players fear you as an admin. Its implicit knowledge that is quickly acquired even by newer players. Maybe you would consider learning to relax the lines by which you admin?When Goretooth joins one of their NA servers, I pack up with the rest of my clan and leave. We don't like being in his presence whatsoever. Imho ATS really fk'ed up with letting him have admin, or however it works.
When Goretooth joins one of their NA servers, I pack up with the rest of my clan and leave. We don't like being in his presence whatsoever. Imho ATS really fk'ed up with letting him have admin, or however it works.
A more public admin abuse thread for him would probably result in expulsion or close to it as I was saying. That and Zisa linking him to Panderson was probably in part the downfall of the last one. One at a time, can't say a lot of people are going to want to pull Pandersons admin privileges to get at Goretooth. A Goretooth only thread would probably be far more successful as long as people get word it is posted.huh? Where did I link Goretooth to Panderson? Cease thy slander nefarious being!
A more public admin abuse thread for him would probably result in expulsion or close to it as I was saying. That and Zisa linking him to Panderson was probably in part the downfall of the last one. One at a time, can't say a lot of people are going to want to pull Pandersons admin privileges to get at Goretooth. A Goretooth only thread would probably be far more successful as long as people get word it is posted.
A more public admin abuse thread for him would probably result in expulsion or close to it as I was saying. That and Zisa linking him to Panderson was probably in part the downfall of the last one. One at a time, can't say a lot of people are going to want to pull Pandersons admin privileges to get at Goretooth. A Goretooth only thread would probably be far more successful as long as people get word it is posted.
I have no trouble what so ever with kicking people for trolling you.. but address this situation and tell me something is not wrong, and maintain a straight face.
I wasn't there Zisa, so I cannot do that. I can only respond to the post where my name was mentioned because I was there.Well you could check the log and see where right after I type idiot I get kicked (and how did he know he was the idiot in question?), then banned for telling him to take a pill. feel free to post it here too.
Well you could check the log and see where right after I type idiot I get kicked (and how did he know he was the idiot in question?), then banned for telling him to take a pill. feel free to post it here too.
WowYour one of reasons i got admin to protect me from getting poll kick/ban by you Lilith and miley's crew constantly on the NA servers.
Goretooth admits teamwounding at spawn. He does NOT explain how this can be an accident (we all know it cant). This is observed by an admin (Goretooth) and therefore Goretooth should get a ban for intentional teamwounding. Revenge-TKing is also not ok, ofc, but from what I can see from both Goretooth and Zisas statements, this one could just as well be an accident. You CANT ban if your not sure its an offence (at least not on EU-servers, Ive heard ATS play different tho).
This sounds more like a revenge-thingie from Goretooth, and an admin who bans to revenge aint a proper admin. I therefore suggest that you unban Zisa and leaves your post as an admin, or at least take a pause until youve calmed yourself down and are able to do your job properly Goretooth.
Your partly the reason i got admin to protect me from getting poll kick/ban by you Lilith constantly on the NA servers.
You did a very long time ago.
Wow Goretooth. I cant say Im impressed. You cant explain why your teamwounding at spawn was an accident. You cant defend your improper use of admin power. And then you start saying some BULLSHIT about me poll abusing on you. Feeling guilty or something?It was an accident at spawn. I've always liked Zisa a smart player with interesting comments ingame and on the forum. There is no reason for me to say "Bullshit" facts about you. Seems like you have some anger about me but not sure where that comes from if like you stated before you have never played on na servers is actually true. But just suprises me that you and miley have posted negative comments about me in this thread.
It was an accident at spawn. I've always liked Zisa a smart player with interesting comments ingame and on the forum. There is no reason for me to say "Bullshit" facts about you. Seems like you have some anger about me but not sure where that comes from if like you stated before you have never played on na servers is actually true. But just suprises me that you and miley have posted negative comments about me in this thread.
You give people very good reason to post negative comments.I'l say sorry for the teamhit in spawn but the ban stays.
Fix your mistake, apologize to zisa and stop being a child.
I'l say sorry for the teamhit in spawn but the ban stays.
It was an accident at spawn. I've always liked Zisa a smart player with interesting comments ingame and on the forum. There is no reason for me to say "Bullshit" facts about you. Seems like you have some anger about me but not sure where that comes from if like you stated before you have never played on na servers is actually true. But just suprises me that you and miley have posted negative comments about me in this thread.
But just suprises me that you and miley have posted negative comments about me in this thread.You forgot me ! ! !
You forgot me ! ! !
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i was fienting spaming and it slipped. I've answered all your questions and i like zisa not sure why your brining up history about an NA clan when you clearly don't play there. All the old ats members know you don't like me and my feint spamming for practice is known to many players. It slipped once and before i get time to say sorry i get called an idiot.
You know, Ive banned several persons who feint too much in crows of teammates (after warning a couple of times ofc) because sometimes they slip. You did an error, you got the consequences (Zisa has explained how the attack from zisas part was an accident). Now go apologise, and unban!Your an NA admin?
And next time, go feint somewhere where you cant hit teammates, its teamwounding you know!
I read this tread and it makes me feel sad deep down. I dont know if i ever seen so many haters hate on one man befor. Trolls are gathering like ants to old candy. People talking and voicing their ideas and thoughts when they were not even there. Gore is a good admin, a bit heavy handed at times but you cant be soft with trolls. There are rules that are easy to find and should be know as you play the game. Being an Ex-admin Zisa should know the rules, such as The Infamous No Douchebaggery Rule. When is it ok to be a dick to the people who are trying to stop people form being dicks to others. Thats like spiting on a cop and giving him the bird after. I belive alot of trolling is not because he is an Admin but because he is ATS or just plain out better then you.
I wasn't there Zisa, so I cannot do that. I can only respond to the post where my name was mentioned because I was there.
first off you were not on at the time this happened.
the No Douchebaggery rule was broken by zisa, thus a kick was needed befor it got out of hand, or a mute but it was the admins pick. Zisa was kick, came back and had to say somthing, couldnt just let it go. Being an EX-admin one would think he was kicked for a reson and pushing the admin might be a bad idea but nooo he came back and had to say take a pill.
Half of the people posting here are trolls... idk understand how you cant see that :?:
True i was not there. But does that really matter? Both has acknowledged what happened.1. Gore team-wounds Zisa. (shit happens!)
1. Gore team-wounds Zisa. (breach of the no douchebag rule?)
2. Zisa calls him a idiot. (In your opinion this is where Zisa broke the rule first)
3. Gore claims he did not have time to apologize to Zisa for the team-hit. (Gore could have stopped everything right here. By apologizing for the wound, instead of kicking. His second breach
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4. Gore kicks Zisa
5. Zisa comes back
6. Zisa tells Gore to take a pill.
7. Gore bans Zisa
If you cant understand why Zisa is mad, you are inhumane.
Gore had the option to stop the situation, but he chose to escalate it further.
the No Douchebaggery rule was broken by zisa, thus a kick was needed befor it got out of hand, or a mute but it was the admins pick.What a douchebag, calling a teamattacker an idiot. Thank god he got kicked before he could top it with a "fool". Children could have seen it!
1. Gore team-wounds Zisa. (shit happens!)
2. Zisa calls him a idiot. (being a dick, gore didnt even get a shot to say sorry, zisa called him an idiot right after he hit)
3. Gore claims he did not have time to apologize to Zisa for the team-hit. (see above)
4. Gore kicks Zisa
5. Zisa comes back
6. Zisa tells Gore to take a pill.
7. Gore bans Zisa
Im not inhumane, just it seems to be on the level to me, maybe if you didnt think zisa was a sheep and gore a big bad wolf you might just look at the facts
Gore got offended because he got called out on his moronic behavior. However his offense was worse then Zisa's and thus he should apologize instead of escalating the situation. Zisa would have gotten her apology and the whole affair would have been forgotten within the hour. Everything that follows the kick, is a direct result of Gore's inability to properly administrate a server. He chose this.
I'm not expecting you to be unbiased towards this situation, and perhaps if you were not friends with the offender, you wouldnt wear rose-tinted-glasses when looking at the facts.
What a douchebag, calling a teamattacker an idiot. Thank god he got kicked before he could top it with a "fool". Children could have seen itNot giving someone time to say sorry befor calling them names makes them the fool, Im sure if an ex clan mate would have waited 3 secs befor getting mad she would have got the sorry.
"Idiot" = 5 letters. "sorry" = 5 letters, "sry" = 3 letters. Looks like enough time, with the "sry" you could have even been faster than the "idiot"!
Zisa got offended because he got called out on his moronic behavior. However his offense was worse then gore and thus he should apologize instead of escalating the situation. Zisa would have gotten her apology and the whole affair would have been forgotten within the hour. Everything that follows the kick, is a direct result of zisa inability to properly coop with others on a server. He chose this.
"I'm not expecting you to be unbiased towards this situation, and perhaps if you were not friends with the offender, you wouldnt wear rose-tinted-glasses when looking at the facts"
I am friends with both people in this fight, Thus I am unbiase. If you knew more about the NA groups you would be able to know that, but you tend to talk about things which you dont fully understand. Zisa was in ATS, Zisa was and still is a good person / a friend. It is you that wears the rose-tinted-glasses when looking at the fact because you just dont want to be wrong.
Your editing of my post, did not fit at all.yes yes cuz walking away when your wrongs sooo makes it seem like you right lol i hate talking to people like kids yet its seems i must.
Teamwounding, kick & ban are all more severe then the word 'idiot'. Zisa did not escalate the situation after the kick, he told him to calm down..Right after that Gore dished out the worst punishment you can give someone in this game, a ban.
As im clueless on NA groups, you are likewise clueless on me 'talking about things which you dont fully understand'.
I would actually love being wrong in this thread, would restore some of my lost faith in humanity.
I'm done in this thread, the ball is in your court, either continue being a douchebag, or step up fix this.
"die"I would have named it Wild Goretooth appers
is it an agressive word?
Native please read your posts after yourself, because I can't believe you could've let such a bullshit out of you on purpose.Logic fails huh, he didnt mean too team hit, team attacking is wrong but being a dick about it and not giving someone the time to say sorry is not ok... then to be warned about being a dick and to just keep being a dick is not ok
I'll give you a hint where your logic fails. In your eyes, team attacking is better then calling someone an idiot. If you don't understand that, you might not want post anymore, because you are making a fool out of yourself.
Logic fails huh, he didnt mean too team hit, team attacking is wrong but being a dick about it and not giving someone the time to say sorry is not ok... then to be warned about being a dick and to just keep being a dick is not ok
I know gore hit zisa, he didnt do it to be cold blooded, but how zisa acted after just made a bad thing worse. No admin beats the shit out of his team, just dosnt happen. Team attacking = wrong, being a dick = wrong
they both messed up, but the reson for the kick and ban are not wrong
Logic fails huh, he didnt mean too team hit, team attacking is wrong but being a dick about it and not giving someone the time to say sorry is not ok... then to be warned about being a dick and to just keep being a dick is not ok...
I know gore hit zisa, he didnt do it to be cold blooded, but how zisa acted after just made a bad thing worse. No admin beats the shit out of his team, just dosnt happen. Team attacking = wrong, being a dick = wrong
they both messed up, but the reson for the kick and ban are not wrong
HE WAS FEINTING AT THE SPAWN. He was the dick in the first place and deserved to be told that after he teamhit. And as was said, Goretooth could've just ended it there by saying sorry, but he was a dick, not admin at that moment, and kicked Zisa. And you see nothing wrong with that? Calling out the person who teamhit you is now bannable, but the teamhit itself is fine? We just kick and eventually ban the player who got hit? Are you REALLY defending this approach? If so I'm happy I don't play on NA servers.OMG HE WAS FEINTING AT THE SPAWN :shock: OMG HE WAS FEINTING AT THE SPAWN :| omg he was feinting at the spawn :rolleyes:
...could have just posted you got band and ask to be unband, could have just pm gash if you didnt want to pm gore. you could have went into vent to talk about it
Team wounded... then runs away.
You want to see me 'being a dick'? There's a difference.
And feinting at the spawn and hitting your teammate is being a dick. You are swinging when there is ONLY your allies around VERY close to you. That's a sign of idiocy and being a dick.:shock: god forbid you warm up by throwing in some feints
:shock: god forbid you warm up by throwing in some feints
one should be happy to be called an idoit :rolleyes:
yes the EU admin was there to see it all right, wait no...no she/he wasnt
Zisa was banded not for calling someone out on it, was band for a diff reason
How would you know the NA Handbook if you never play there? are you lieing now or a few post ago, am getting lost in your lies and rumbles
:shock: god forbid you warm up by throwing in some feintsSeriously, what the fuck do you know about it? I strongly suspect your head is so far up your anus you do not even know what you are typing. It's pretty fucking clear, do not say I was banned for a 'different' reason.
one should be happy to be called an idoit :rolleyes:
yes the EU admin was there to see it all right, wait no...no she/he wasnt
Zisa was banded not for calling someone out on it, was band for a diff reason
How would you know the NA Handbook if you never play there? are you lieing now or a few post ago, am getting lost in your lies and rumbles
Your one of reasons i got admin to protect me from getting poll kick/ban by you Lilith and miley's crew constantly on the NA servers.
I read this tread and it makes me feel sad deep down. I dont know if i ever seen so many haters hate on one man befor. Trolls are gathering like ants to old candy. People talking and voicing their ideas and thoughts when they were not even there. Gore is a good admin, a bit heavy handed at times but you cant be soft with trolls. There are rules that are easy to find and should be know as you play the game. Being an Ex-admin Zisa should know the rules, such as The Infamous No Douchebaggery Rule. When is it ok to be a dick to the people who are trying to stop people form being dicks to others. Thats like spiting on a cop and giving him the bird after. I belive alot of trolling is not because he is an Admin but because he is ATS or just plain out better then you.
sry for OT: TFO server is NA based? is it still online? does it have different admins?
Pity, than this has probably no solution until somebody starts another server...
It's not online anymore. It did have different admins, though.
Pity, than this has probably no solution until somebody starts another server...
You guys are analyzing the wrong thing.
There's a whole 2 page discussion on this thread about what exactly happened that incited the creation of this thread.
Obviously, this isn't a one off deal. I doubt Zis posted this thread after one incident. This is clearly an issue that's been going on for a while which has simply come to a boiling point.
Native, reading your posts, you seem to analyze what people say and respond accordingly, which I think is great that you take people's post into consideration before you write. But I can't help but feel that you're biased in this situation. There's a certain air of desperation in your defense responses. I honestly don't care for the issues at hand, but I've seen similar cases of escalation-to-ban occur very often in the NA servers.
Honestly, teamhits happen all the time, but are almost always followed by an apology. Bans never follow these kinds of events.
OMG HE WAS FEINTING AT THE SPAWN :shock: OMG HE WAS FEINTING AT THE SPAWN :| omg he was feinting at the spawn :rolleyes:OMG HE WAS CALLED AN IDIOT, THE WORLDS GONNA END OMG OMG OMG.
also you are really changing what was said alot, teamhitting is wrong if done to be a dick, but now and then it will happen and at those times when it dose a sorry fixs all, yet being a dick when it happens and not allowing the person to say sorry then raging is wrong. i never said team wounding is good and bandable, but being a dick is.
Walk befor you run kid :mrgreen:
OMG HE WAS CALLED AN IDIOT, THE WORLDS GONNA END OMG OMG OMG.
Ever heard of "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me?" Idiot is just a word and a very mild word compared to many words being said in this game. Poor little Goretooth just couldn't stand wittle meaney Zisa calling him an Idiot so he kicked and then banned him. Bring down the house to kill a mouse much?
The question remains ... Is somehow Goretooth financing the server by a monthly donation ? If not , why after so many complains and abuses, does he still have admin ?
The part where I find it very sad is that you can be called any names by other players, or call them any names and everyone is cool with that , it's just a simple insult (specially "idiot" after the person doesn't apologize for teamwounding), but when it involves an admin (who deserved it), there is no verbal warning , just a kick. Kicking someone without a warning just increases the tension and don't expect him to come back and not complain about it, specially when the player (zisa) has been playing on that server for so long and never (based on my knowledge) made trouble nor disrespected someone.
All of ATS has to support the actions of all admins 100% no matter how wrong the action actually is. If you do not do this you end up getting in trouble.
All of ATS has to support the actions of all admins 100% no matter how wrong the action actually is. If you do not do this you end up getting in trouble.This is both untrue and irrelevant
This is both untrue and irrelevant
Good admins get the most complaints, usually from people they punish or their friends. It means they are doing their very thankless job of keeping people from leeching using racism, and generally being assholes. Goretooth may be strict but he actually does his job well.
Zisa has a history of being a troll. Zisa got a warning, then a kick and then a ban. The ban was completely justified. I obviously have no love for Goretooth, but Zisa quite frankly shouldn't have said anything when they came back onto the server. So, suck it up Zisa and accept that you deserved it.get stuffed you fucking scrub
Also, just for the fact that you started a thread stating "die Goretooth" means your ban should be permanent.
Zisa has a history of being a troll. Zisa got a warning, then a kick and then a ban. The ban was completely justified. I obviously have no love for Goretooth, but Zisa quite frankly shouldn't have said anything when they came back onto the server. So, suck it up Zisa and accept that you deserved it.
Also, just for the fact that you started a thread stating "die Goretooth" means your ban should be permanent.
get stuffed you fucking scrub
oh, she is a feisty one! :twisted:
its a she?
Yet again: Hypocrisy!Word of the Day Lorn?
Word of the Day Lorn?
I truly believe both of them are in the wrong. Goretooth could've said sorry. Zisa could've stayed quiet after being kicked.
If Goretooth had said sorry, everything would've been fine (which he said earlier in this jumble of posts).
A team hit is 50% reduced damage and Zisa should've been fine with that one hit by Goretooth.
Zisa has known Goretooth long enough to realize he never says sorry when something wrong happens.
After the whole incident, making a thread "die Goretooth" is really uncivilized (I know you were mad but still come on)
And lastly, why would you mess with the guy with the gun ?
It doesn't matter if someone is an admin -- If someone acts in an idiotic way, calling them an idiot is entirely justified. Being an admin, you're asked to moderate the servers from people griefing and disrupting the gameplay experience, but it doesn't entitle you to immunity from people's honest opinions about you, especially when they're justified and called for in the situation.
Saying that Zisa should know Goretooth has, in essence, "always been an asshole and never says sorry" isn't acceptable. As a matter of fact, the inverse is true: since that is a known fact, Goretooth is actually the one who needs to fix things and work on his issues, Zisa shouldn't be asked to deal with people who don't apologize for team attacking and being assholes in general. Admins kick people for team wounding, they kick people for being an asshole, yet Goretooth is able to team attack, not apologize, and use his adminship to kick someone because they said a justified word to him? It's obvious a poor use of adminship.
I have no love for Zisa, I talk shit to him all the time, and I have respect for Gore's playing abilities (and gear), but the mentality of "don't mess with the guy with the gun" is not acceptable, as his gun is there to ensure the server is moderated and people can play on the servers appropriately, not to use for personal reasons. 95% of the people defending Gore are ATS members, which is not only predictable but rather pathetic when the situation is so obviously bullshit and Zisa did what any normal player would do in his situation yet they're acting like he deserved a kick (which he didn't) AND a ban (which he definitely didn't.) If Goretooth would have been attacked in spawn, feinting or no, he would have said "idiot" at best and kicked at worst, yet when Zisa does the same he's kicked? Any sane player who would have been kicked after the situation Zisa was in (being attacked in spawn, not apologized to, and rightfully calls anyone who does so an "idiot", justifiably so) would have been upset after the kick. Zisa definitely was in the right telling Goretooth to relax when Zisa came back to the server -- Most people would have actually raged, yet all Zisa said was for him to relax and he gets banned?
Zisa acted in a totally acceptable manner, reacting the way most people would have: Being upset when they get attacked in spawn, even more so when they're not apologized to, and then asking the trigger-happy admin to relax after being upset in the first place for the admin's poor choice of actions ("feinting" in spawn).
Saying Zisa did something wrong by "not being quiet after being kicked" is laughable. Adminship doesn't make you above the laws, nor does it make you above the reprisals from other players when you make a mistake in game. Don't mistake "admin" for "god", because that's the sign of a poor admin. A good admin should simply use his powers to get rid of people griefing and otherwise making the game unplayable for the other players on the server; a good admin uses his powers for the benefit of the average players (of which Zisa is a good example) and never for exclusively himself. Good admins don't kick/ban for people saying justified reprisals to them, good admins don't go on powertrips and ban/kick people who disagree with them and use the "troll" justification. This situation shows the admin powers being used exclusively for the benfit of the self, and not in keeping with the best interest of the average player, and anyone outside of ATS's private circle can see this.
It would be one thing if anyone could host a CRPG server, but that is, in fact, not the case. It is difficult to be allowed to connect to the database and run chadz' mod, yet when ATS was granted the right to do so, even the owners of the server and admins should be held accountable by a higher power (chadz) if for no other reason than us players have little other choices to go to. The poor adminship is runing the CRPG experience when the feeling of the server is usually that of the Third Reich and not of a server where admins are looking out for the good of the general player base, and this is the perfect example.
I like Goretooth, but in my dealings with him as an admin in the past, he uses his admin powers as more of a right than a privilege, using them as a personal sword for himself rather than a general shield for the public. I've seen it happen quite a few times, but this is a perfect example of abuse.
Rhade, I'm sorry to say that most people will be in the mindset of tl;dr, but what you say is indeed true. I just hope what you wrote doesn't disappear mysteriously over the course of the day.
So what's your part in this lorn? Are you clanless now?
"always been an asshole and never says sorry" isn't acceptable.
I only made it about halfway down your post, but my 2 worthless cents.I do not remember ever seeing you in game. Course, you seem like the type afraid to post your in game name.
I have never had a problem with goretooth, and the opposite with zisa, I have also never recieved an apology from zisa from one of her many Team hit throwing axes.
Guys guys, why does the past matter in this individual case? Who cares whether or not either Zisa or Goretooth is an asshole? I think whoever it is that's above Goretooth (I'm guessing Ecko?) should look at nothing but the facts and make a ruling fair to both parties.It already has been made, It's my choice when to unban Zisa and will do so when he talks to me about this in a civil manner on the forums or pms/vent.
Guys guys, why does the past matter in this individual case? Who cares whether or not either Zisa or Goretooth is an asshole? I think whoever it is that's above Goretooth (I'm guessing Ecko?) should look at nothing but the facts and make a ruling fair to both parties.
My god...Lorn was right.
My god...Lorn was right.
Of course.Until we get new servers under new management, right?
As I said, those that do not agree with this policy get punished, those that do get commended.
Though my involvement is reduced due to my internet and time changes recently...I've given more responsibility to gash, nindur, and yes guardian and heroin. However recently heroin has elected to no longer admin.I don't see the difference. That sounds like something a figurehead would say :\
Don't be naive!this is a odd way to spread lies and hate. I dont know how someone who was a part of ats can try to bash its name in anyways he/she can.
Ecko doesn't run ATS anymore, Gash and him are just figureheads. The real leaders are Goretooth and Heroin, thus where the problem lies.
this is a odd way to spread lies and hate. I dont know how someone who was a part of ats can try to bash its name in anyways he/she can.Quoted in case Native tries to grammar/spelling police anyone any time soon.
Heroin is a friend and so is everyone ells in ats, Our leader is gash do to the fact ecko is buzy in other matters. This is not the place to post your ideas or thoughts about ats. This is just some rage post/unband request?
anyways post you ideas and thoughts on this in a diff area, this isnt the spot to do it.
Quoted in case Native tries to grammar/spelling police anyone any time soon.I CANT SPELL :cry:
this is a odd way to spread lies and hate. I dont know how someone who was a part of ats can try to bash its name in anyways he/she can.
Heroin is a friend and so is everyone ells in ats, Our leader is gash do to the fact ecko is buzy in other matters. This is not the place to post your ideas or thoughts about ats. This is just some rage post/unband request?
anyways post you ideas and thoughts on this in a diff area, this isnt the spot to do it.
I CANT SPELL :cry: