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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: matt2507 on June 16, 2012, 05:46:10 pm
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everything is in the title.
Here are the stats:
German Greatsword:
weapon length: 123
weight: 2.5
difficulty: 15
speed rating: 92
weapon length: 123
thrust damage: 26 pierce
swing damage: 38 cut
slots: 2
Danish Greatsword:
weapon length: 124
weight: 2.5
difficulty: 15
speed rating: 92
weapon length: 124
thrust damage: 24 pierce
swing damage: 40 cut
slots: 2
Normally, the only difference between the two is that the danish is longer and has a better swing while the German has a better thrust.
But once in play, after having made a test between a MW danish and a MW german, I just make sure the german is much faster.
If a dev could take a look ?
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Of two weapons of the same speed rating, the longer one will swing slower even if it is only a 1 point difference.
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One brings tears the other cookies.
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One brings tears the other cookies.
And cooties brings both.
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Of two weapons of the same speed rating, the longer one will swing slower even if it is only a 1 point difference.
Opposite is true.
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Opposite is true.
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Of two weapons of the same speed rating, the longer one will swing slower even if it is only a 1 point difference.
I agree, but why put the same stats ?
It's a bit unfair, especially since it is sold dearer than german.
Had I known, I would have taken a German.
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Speed is animation at pivot point.
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Speed rating is animation speed, it's completely unrelated from weapon length. Two weapons of the same class (i.e. with the same animations) with the same speed rating will complete a swing in the exact same time (assuming same character stats and no maluses from having a shield, etc, etc...).
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Danish GS does seem slower. Every time I pick it up it feels a lot less smooth than German GS.
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it because german blade
in fight is way harder to see that tihinbllade
all
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Speed rating is animation speed, it's completely unrelated from weapon length. Two weapons of the same class (i.e. with the same animations) with the same speed rating will complete a swing in the exact same time (assuming same character stats and no maluses from having a shield, etc, etc...).
So you are in agreement that if a weapon with a greater length and thus a larger radius (even 1 cm) rotating at the same speed should be slightly faster in this case.
But it's the opposite this product, so there is an error.
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Yes, there is an error in your observation.
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Yes, there is an error in your observation.
ah thanks :D
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Noticed this aswell, tried to do a comparison but the animations are so fast that I can't do anything with my max 60 fps recordings. I really doubt the model difference can cause such a difference in my perception of the weapon's speed.
A fun thing to do could be replacing the model of the German with the Danish or the other way around and see if you can determine which is the German and which is the Danish based on speed. So you just equip them both, swing both, then guess which one is which, then drop both to check. Do it ten times, if you get it right like 8/10 times there is definitely something there. Sadly I don't know how to replace a change models.
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Open item_kinds1.txt, replace Faradon_twohanded1 with Faradon_twohanded2 or vice versa.
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cool beans
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there is a chance that it is fixed ?
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Okay I replaced the model of the Danish with the German. I equipped both. Pressed my next weapon button a random amount of times. Then swung around with both until I thought one of them was slower, dropped it, if it was the Danish I was right.
I got 14/20. That is ofcourse possible by chance, but especially considering I havent played 2h for ages now and I lost the quite accurate feel I have for my main weapons in the case of the Danish, its quite a high rate of success. Most of the times were I was really convinced one was slower I got it right, but sometimes I had no clue.
I would like someone who has used a Danish for some time to try this. It is ofcourse a very subtle difference if there is one, so you need to concentrate.
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the best test is if a German user uses a Danish, he will immediately say that it is slower.
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the best test is if a German user uses a Danish, he will immediately say that it is slower.
I always immediately thought to notice the German being faster, its the same thing.
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Tested by printing the time taken for ready+release directly from the engine.
With 1 WPF, both swords take ~1.124573 seconds to do a right swing.
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I was talking about feints.
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Feints use the ready animation, so a difference would affect that time as well.
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Strange
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nothing new, our brains play tricks to us. Especially when you make test like these:
the best test is if a German user uses a Danish, he will immediately say that it is slower.
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How come the nodachi is still unusable on horse? History records show the Japanese samurais used them on horses AND even threw them at the enemy as it hit multiple targets.
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How come Danish is unusable on horse? You could couch these things.
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How come the nodachi is still unusable on horse? History records show the Japanese samurais used them on horses AND even threw them at the enemy as it hit multiple targets.
We don't need more weeaboo cav.
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it because german blade
in fight is way harder to see that tihinbllade
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Translation:
The blade of German Greatsword is the reason.
It is harder to follow the blade of the German Greatsword because it is very thin. Sword seems to be faster then.
This is the real reason.
Also I had both swords +3 and tested them.
They are same speed. You might feel german GS faster but that's bullshit and not really happening. also try moving left so your body turns left and then make right swing. Your whole body will just change direction and this makes your moves look faster as well. There are a few things that make weapon seem faster.
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Textbook example of an optical illusion.