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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: akapraf on June 14, 2012, 01:44:16 am
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why the damage done by throwing on horses is so low?
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IIRC, the formulas state that for throwing, the speed of the thrower doesn't matter, only the speed of the target.
So riding full speed at a stopped opponent and hitting him with a throwing axe is no different than just standing there and throwing it at him -- your speed doesn't count.
If you're riding behind a horse, chasing him, and throwing at his back, you'd be doing almost no damage because you're just hitting a target that's moving really fast away from you. You'll have to save your throws for oncoming enemies.
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A hit on the head will 1 shot most horses.
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IIRC, the formulas state that for throwing, the speed of the thrower doesn't matter, only the speed of the target.
So riding full speed at a stopped opponent and hitting him with a throwing axe is no different than just standing there and throwing it at him -- your speed doesn't count.
If you're riding behind a horse, chasing him, and throwing at his back, you'd be doing almost no damage because you're just hitting a target that's moving really fast away from you. You'll have to save your throws for oncoming enemies.
What, I didn't think it worked that way. I thought speed bonus was only ever effected by the speed of the player being shot regardless of which direction he is moving in, same goes for melee, didn't think the engine/coding was that advanced.
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same goes for melee, didn't think the engine/coding was that advanced.
Negative speed bonuses (IE speed penalties) are definitely possible in melee, unless something has been drastically change from native.
Unless I am grossly mistaken, speed bonus in melee is based on the speed of both players. As far as I am aware, it also isn't linear - two players running at each other at similar speeds should produce more than double the speed bonus of just one player moving forward.
I could have sworn that one of the devs made an informative post regarding the (engine) reason for throwing weapons only taking into account the target's speed, but I can't find it for the life of me.
edit:
Ah-hah! (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,20187.msg287266.html#msg287266)
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On horseback:
Ranged weapons get no bonus from their OWN speed bonus. Only from enemies do they get a speed bonus.
This is why a HX is so effective in kiting. You charge HIM and he gets a speed bonus to use against you(and with 65p minus mounted penalty that's pretty good chunk of damage hitting.).
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This is why a HX is so effective in kiting. You charge HIM and he gets a speed bonus to use against you(and with 65p minus mounted penalty that's pretty good chunk of damage hitting.).
Yeah, in that case what it SHOULD be doing is subtracting damage because he's moving away from you, then adding damage because you're moving towards him, but instead it's only adding damage.
(At least that's how it works for throwing. Does all ranged have this same problem?)
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(At least that's how it works for throwing. Does all ranged have this same problem?)
Yes. That's why HAs ride away and shoot your horse if you chase them; big speed bonus ensues.
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Does all ranged have this same problem?
Yes. Will be fixed soon (with the new server software).
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Yes. Will be fixed soon (with the new server software).
Wow that's great!
Until then, the trick is to STAND STILL (for accuracy), wait until last moment then throw something heavy straight in the horses head. If you miss you might be dead.
This works, but requires balls of steel, practice and patience.
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plz don't tell me bow/xbow velocity will be increased on your own movespeed, doesn't make any sense except for throwing.
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the trick is to Jump (for minimum accuracy, but max badassery), wait until last moment then throw stones straight in the rider's head.
This works, but requires balls of steel, practice and patience.
Fixed that for ya.
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plz don't tell me bow/xbow velocity will be increased on your own movespeed, doesn't make any sense except for throwing.
It will and physically it does make sense.
In practice it will nerf HAs which run away and shoot behind their back at horses or anything else (and buff the damage if they are charging, of course), and buff HX which shoot in front while charging. This is after all sensible stuff. Whether there should be a separate nerf is another question.
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Throwing has changed but not well, hittin a horse at full speed coming towards you in 90% of cases the horse is still standing. Tested with full WP for 9PT ( 5 WM ) and 5 PT ( 8WM )
is very frustrating if you want to be a support player against riders
Ps: The sound in 50% of cases tells me that I do very little dmg, that in case the sound is not broken
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Yes. Will be fixed soon (with the new server software).
OH? And it's not going to be on NA, so it won't affect us like polestagger wasn't removed.
Though how do you plan on changing it? Give speed bonus to mounted range as well?
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Just to clarify, a mounted ranged player charging head on at a stationary target would result in no speed bonus, correct?
OH? And it's not going to be on NA, so it won't affect us like polestagger wasn't removed.
It will eventually, I believe the devs are still working on stability issues or something like that.
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Just to clarify, a mounted ranged player charging head on at a stationary target would result in no speed bonus, correct?
Yes, that is correct. Only the ENEMIES speed matters for mounted range.(Now you still take the standing damage which isn't weak by anymeans if it's a xbow. It's still like 45 ish p damage)
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It will and physically it does make sense.
it really doesn't in the slightest.
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So velocity of a projectile launched from a moving platform is the same as the velocity of a projectile launched from a stationary position, really? ^^
(From the point of view of observer on ground, before you try to be a smartass)
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since I know I may be wrong im interested in a definite answer from someone who actually studied it in physics or something.
but seems to me a throwing weapon the velocity is from the speed it is released from your arm so moving forward would directly modify that and have quite a big relative effect. but the velocity of bow/xbow is from the kinetic energy stored in the bow, your not directly modifying it by moving the position its released from. so if it does have an effect I just can only see it being negliable. but maybe im wrong if its additive but that doesn't make sense to me
and yeah they should make throwing work like javelins in pvkii.
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since I know I may be wrong im interested in a definite answer from someone who actually studied it in physics or something.
but seems to me a throwing weapon the velocity is from the speed it is released from your arm so moving forward would directly modify that and have quite a big relative effect. but the velocity of bow/xbow is from the kinetic energy stored in the bow, your not directly modifying it by moving the position its released from. so if it does have an effect I just can only see it being negliable. but maybe im wrong if its additive but that doesn't make sense to me
It's basic physics.
Aside from increased air friction once the bolt/arrow is in flight, firing a bolt or arrow from a moving system means the speeds are additive, since the arrow / bolt already has speed and kinetic energy from, well, being attached to a moving system; that's beside the potential energy in a drawn bow or crossbow.
Imagine shooting an arrow sideways from a moving car (you can test it with a ball if you'd like, have someone on the ground watch), it does not magically decelerate from the velocity of the car (slowly due to air-friction yes) to 0, it has the velocity of the car in the forward direction and exit velocity of bow/gun/throw/whatever in the sideways direction.
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Low?
LOL.
My horse gets one shotted pretty much every round by throwers.
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Reading comprehension fail.
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LMFAO.
This happens all too often