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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => Closed Requests => Topic started by: Gardarika_pym on June 07, 2012, 01:44:42 pm

Title: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Gardarika_pym on June 07, 2012, 01:44:42 pm
Hello! Today i played on EU_2 and in one moment i kick Ninja_Khorin. What could be wrong with that? Kick in retort :)

But khorin kick me from server. Cool joke. I understand that kicking teammeats sometimes badly, but kicking from server - this is in any gate! In other topic my clanmate was bannet for a harmless duel on eu4 -  http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,33345.0.html

Here the screenshot what said khorin.

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I think he should be deprived of an admin rights corse administrators perform their work, not fun :evil:
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on June 07, 2012, 01:47:26 pm
You attempted to kick me down the walls. I was 1 inch from falling. That is teamhitting at best, attempt to teamkill at worst. That's why I kicked you.
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Gardarika_pym on June 07, 2012, 01:52:47 pm
You did not fall, but I was kicked from the server. You could just walk up and kick, but you took advantage of their privileges ADMINISTRATOR simply a joke. Your excuses are stupid - answer me -  when a player breaks something - he got ban, and what to do with the administrator, which exceeds the authority?
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on June 07, 2012, 01:56:24 pm
You attempted to kick me down a wall. The outcome is irrelevant compared to the original intent.

I've kicked plenty of people who I see trying to kick archers down walls for example. Even if they fail, they still intended to do it.

And yes, I made a joke afterwards, because your clanmate seemed to find it funny.
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Gardarika_pym on June 07, 2012, 02:03:50 pm
You not archer and you dont fall down. Аnd you gave me no warning or explanation why you kicked me - is it normal? No. Instead of dealing with the duties you have fun using the Admin password.

So answer me - what to do with the administrator, who breaks the rules?
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on June 07, 2012, 02:08:50 pm
When you're on the server it is assumed that you know the server rules. Kicks are considered warnings and it should be pretty obvious why you were kicked when I kick you a few seconds after you tried to kick me down a wall. According to the original post you do seem to know why I kicked you. What you apparently do not know is that attempted teamkills are punishable.
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Gardarika_pym on June 07, 2012, 02:15:10 pm
Are you talking nonsense - I do not believe that you foresee that I will kill you. You just picked up and kicked me. it is tyranny.


And yes, I made a joke afterwards.
And more you agree that your actions - just kidding. You want to ban a duel for his offense and you do nothing. Why?
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on June 07, 2012, 02:24:48 pm
Are you talking nonsense - I do not believe that you foresee that I will kill you. You just picked up and kicked me. it is tyranny.

I was literally an inch from the edge. Only thing that saved me was that my guy didn't stumble that far due to what I was standing on. If you didn't mean to kick me down a wall, it was still a completely reckless action. I consider it highly unlikely that you wouldn't realize that I was standing on the edge of the wall and that kicking me would cause me to slide towards the edge.

And more you agree that your actions - just kidding.

The "I kicked back" was the joke. The actual kick was not a joke, it was a response to you kicking me and almost making me fall.

You want to ban a duel for his offense and you do nothing. Why?

I don't understand what this means.
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Gardarika_pym on June 07, 2012, 02:40:23 pm
I killed you? - no
Are fall down? - no
Are you kick me from server? - yes
Why you kick me from server? - "The "I kicked back" was the joke" (C) Khorin

So in fact I did not commit a prohibited - and everything else that you write - your imagination. What you did - your proof of incompetence. You do not know how many people banned just for fun. My teammate banned for 4 days, and i think it's joke to. Admin joke. I do not like jokes of those who must stop these "jokes". Anban him and I close my topic.
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on June 07, 2012, 02:45:31 pm
I don't believe you fully understand what I'm writing or you're intentionally ignoring it, so I'm having a hard time discussing this.

Common sense should tell you that kicking people toward edges is not encouraged behaviour.

I cannot unban your friend. I cannot interfere with other admins decisions nor do I have any idea why he is banned.
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Gardarika_pym on June 07, 2012, 02:49:08 pm
ok if I killed you, I would have understood why I was kicked from the server and nothing would be written on the forum, but you're not dead and you could not use the admin bonuses and just say - do not do that anymore. Why show that you're stupid admin? my idea clear?
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on June 07, 2012, 03:03:51 pm
First of all why kick people towards edges in the first place?

Secondly, a kick is a warning. And a kick is a warning that people tend to remember. The worst part about teamkills is not that the person died, especially if it's me, because I couldn't really care much less if I die, but the thought that a particular rule does not apply to them. And a rule like "Do not teamkill/grief/teamhit" is a fairly important rule that the person should remember.

Thirdly, this should actually be in the admin feedback thread: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,17579.0.html
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Ptolemy on June 07, 2012, 03:38:34 pm
Rule #1: Common sense.

It's common sense to me that if you kick someone near a wall, they're going to probably fall down and die. Intentional TK attempt = kickable, if not bannable.

Stop trying to make yourself look correct, you can't.
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on June 07, 2012, 03:42:08 pm
Go away, Nomin. This is not the thread you are looking for.
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Sir_Ironlake on June 07, 2012, 06:45:21 pm
Lol yr lucky you didnt try that to me, id ban you.
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Gardarika_pym on June 07, 2012, 06:55:11 pm
Lol yr lucky you didnt try that to me, id ban you.
Next time i try on you.

All that I see - incompetent admins who do not follow the rules for which banyat others. Players make a lot of team kills, and they do not get immediately kick from the server and admins who are away with the admin rights to receive bans on a level with the players.
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Paul on June 07, 2012, 11:04:56 pm
Stop oppressing yourself. Kick was justified. (From the server, not from the wall.)
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Gardarika_pym on June 08, 2012, 01:35:31 pm
Admins do what they want, and nobody can punish them?
Title: Re: Admin arbitrariness
Post by: Phazey on June 08, 2012, 04:23:31 pm
This is not a debate, Gardarika.

You attempted to kick an admin off the wall. You are very lucky he didn't ban you for intentional teamkilling. And no, you do not need to actually succeed in your griefing to be banned for it.

Locked thread.