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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Leshma on June 06, 2012, 02:31:12 am
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I'm not sure which genius did it but lat Bec nerf from 37 to 34 pierce was totally uncalled for. You see, Bec is utter shit of an expensive weapon.
It's short, really, really short. It has stupid hitbox, left swing of Bec is the useless left swing of all polearms (which already have bad left swing). Thrust is very situational like Shortened Millitary Scythe thrust, it's not even fast, extemely short, almost useless. Right swing is good but still short. Overhead is decent.
What was good about this weapon?
Well, once it had CT, then it was removed, stats nerfed from 42 pierce (I think) to 39 or so. Then further nerf to 37 or 36 pierce where Bec became just good weapon. Now it has 34 peierce damage on swings and 26 pierce on thrust and it's not a bad weapon but it's one of the worse choices, especiialy for its price.
Bring it back to 37 pierce swing, 28 pierce thrust.
About Bec's price:
Long Bardiche, weapon I've "discovered" as OP almost a year ago, costs less than 7k gold. Long Bardiche wasn't nerfed probably because Leshma said it's OP and devs and everyone else are on autopilot whenever Leshma says something (look it's that idiot again - ignore or do completely oposite).
Long Bardiche is basically a poleaxe for half its price, with a crappy stab but a lot better swing. It's WAY better than Bec.
Not just Long Bardiche is a lot better than Bec, most polearms are!
So, forget silly NA legends about Goretooth and his might Bec and make this weapon useful in battle once more.
Only thing it had was high damage, now it has nothing.
Actually I forgot, you can use it on horseback..
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Remove Leshma
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Make it swing-able from horseback!
Polo is a stylish sport for gentry. It would give bec a purpose, and justify the cost.
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I'm not sure which genius did it but lat Bec nerf from 37 to 34 pierce was totally uncalled for. You see, Bec is utter shit of an expensive weapon.
It's short, really, really short. It has stupid hitbox, left swing of Bec is the useless left swing of all polearms (which already have bad left swing). Thrust is very situational like Shortened Millitary Scythe thrust, it's not even fast, extemely short, almost useless. Right swing is good but still short. Overhead is decent.
What was good about this weapon?
Well, once it had CT, then it was removed, stats nerfed from 42 pierce (I think) to 39 or so. Then further nerf to 37 or 36 pierce where Bec became just good weapon. Now it has 34 peierce damage on swings and 26 pierce on thrust and it's not a bad weapon but it's one of the worse choices, especiialy for its price.
Bring it back to 37 pierce swing, 28 pierce thrust.
About Bec's price:
Long Bardiche, weapon I've "discovered" as OP almost a year ago, costs less than 7k gold. Long Bardiche wasn't nerfed probably because Leshma said it's OP and devs and everyone else are on autopilot whenever Leshma says something (look it's that idiot again - ignore or do completely oposite).
Long Bardiche is basically a poleaxe for half its price, with a crappy stab but a lot better swing. It's WAY better than Bec.
Not just Long Bardiche is a lot better than Bec, most polearms are!
So, forget silly NA legends about Goretooth and his might Bec and make this weapon useful in battle once more.
Only thing it had was high damage, now it has nothing.
I spend like 4 gens on that weapon and it is awesome like it is
next gen again bec and i dont want buff
awesome good weapon
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I'm not sure which genius did it but lat Bec nerf from 37 to 34 pierce was totally uncalled for. You see, Bec is utter shit of an expensive weapon.
It's short, really, really short. It has stupid hitbox, left swing of Bec is the useless left swing of all polearms (which already have bad left swing). Thrust is very situational like Shortened Millitary Scythe thrust, it's not even fast, extemely short, almost useless. Right swing is good but still short. Overhead is decent.
What was good about this weapon?
Well, once it had CT, then it was removed, stats nerfed from 42 pierce (I think) to 39 or so. Then further nerf to 37 or 36 pierce where Bec became just good weapon. Now it has 34 peierce damage on swings and 26 pierce on thrust and it's not a bad weapon but it's one of the worse choices, especiialy for its price.
Bring it back to 37 pierce swing, 28 pierce thrust.
About Bec's price:
Long Bardiche, weapon I've "discovered" as OP almost a year ago, costs less than 7k gold. Long Bardiche wasn't nerfed probably because Leshma said it's OP and devs and everyone else are on autopilot whenever Leshma says something (look it's that idiot again - ignore or do completely oposite).
Long Bardiche is basically a poleaxe for half its price, with a crappy stab but a lot better swing. It's WAY better than Bec.
Not just Long Bardiche is a lot better than Bec, most polearms are!
So, forget silly NA legends about Goretooth and his might Bec and make this weapon useful in battle once more.
Only thing it had was high damage, now it has nothing.
Actually I forgot, you can use it on horseback..
IMO(remember this is MY opinion) the bec is fine. It is weak in certain areas BUT it hits fast and if used correctly can be a wonderful weapon. All the same I do see what leshma is saying, but i dont see it as big of a problem
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Make it swingable from horseback. I would like to play polo in crpg.
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Make it swingable from horseback. I would like to play polo in crpg.
You can swing it from horseback already. Right or left or up LMB click and then get on the horse and that animation will stay on horseback. Epicnezzz
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You can repeat that or it's stuck in animation?
Anyway that's glitching and I wouldn't want admin to see me doing it.
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Wat.
The Bec de Corbin is THE tin-can cracker.
It's medium speed, medium length, and very good pierce damage.
It's one of the best polearms for straight up fighting.
Frankly, I think cRPG has achieved a level of balance overall, that is unrivaled by any point in its past.
I can't imagine anyone ever calling the bec "weak."
That's simply not in one's vocabulary when that weapon is the subject of the sentence.
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It has the op unnecessary polearm stagger therefore,NERF MOAR .
Seriously fuck this and remove polestagger i can even spam with german poelaxe 27str-12agi build dafuq is this shit...
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In 75% of the situations Bec de Corbin sucks for its pisspoor range.
Damage is ok, nothing you couldnt get with 5 other, lil more expensive ones.
Not a weapon to consider a first choice. Leshma is somewhat right.
Slight buff, why nat.
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gief blunt
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If they change damage to blunt they'll have to add knockdown too and unbalanced tag will come with it. It will became different looking and shorter Long Hafted/Spiked Mace.
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I think it's just fine with 34 pierce. it still opens up tin cans like whoa. it's better than the long bardiche (4 more speed), and better than long bardiche if you have 6 PS (like me) and going up against someone in medium/heavy to heavy armor.
The long bardiche IS a nice weapon though. If I carry another polearm for when I'm de-horsed, it's almost always the long bardiche.
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buff secondary mode to 28-29 dmg (has 25b ,91 speed now)
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It is still a pretty crazy weapon, 34 pierce and very fast.. get a polestun and your opponent is pretty much dead.
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45 cut is better than 34 pierce.
42 cut as well.
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Depends on a lot of factors...
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Thx engur, was too lazy to do it myself.
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The purpose of the bec de corbin is for gentry to play polo. Make it so!
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love that
I will say that again.
Beck is op it is fast have aweome damange and semi god lenght for siege and zerg battel mobs
I am using that weapon right now and..... who cares, leshma knows better coz she is 34 lvl 2h
Polearmers arent using that weapon because they are lazy cunts with long weapons wich require minimal amount of skill
end.
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Change the double ended lance.
Give it 96 speed 30p 15blunt.
Also Bec is fine
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Hmm I do not agree with you on the matter of double sided lance. I have never tried it as a lancer, but as a hoplite it's high damage was promising. Why you want to reduce it?
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I'm not sure which genius did it but lat Bec nerf from 37 to 34 pierce was totally uncalled for. You see, Bec is utter shit of an expensive weapon.
Well, once it had CT, then it was removed, stats nerfed from 42 pierce (I think) to 39 or so. Then further nerf to 37 or 36 pierce where Bec became just good weapon. Now it has 34 peierce damage on swings and 26 pierce on thrust and it's not a bad weapon but it's one of the worse choices, especiialy for its price.
Bec de corbin never had crushthrough, not in cRPG. Neither was its damage ever that high. When it was originally changed into a functional weapon, it had 38 blunt. This changed to 38 pierce at some point. Then it started getting numerical damage nerfs.
About Bec's price:
Long Bardiche, weapon I've "discovered" as OP almost a year ago, costs less than 7k gold. Long Bardiche wasn't nerfed probably because Leshma said it's OP and devs and everyone else are on autopilot whenever Leshma says something (look it's that idiot again - ignore or do completely oposite).
Only thing it had was high damage, now it has nothing.
I will agree with you that the bec's current price doesn't fit its efficacy considering how much it got nerfed, but it's still a high damage weapon, comparatively. Only one melee weapon in the game has higher pierce damage: the morningstar. Comparing the two, you begin to notice why the bec's price is so awful.
Anyway I wouldn't be so hard on people disregarding what you say, because a lot of what you said was just plain wrong. It's difficult for people to take you seriously when you can't get your facts straight. I do agree with you that something should be done in the bec's favor, though. Price decrease would be best, because weapon balance is a fine line that's so easy to cross.
If they change damage to blunt they'll have to add knockdown too and unbalanced tag will come with it. It will became different looking and shorter Long Hafted/Spiked Mace.
It used to have knockdown without unbalanced, so there was a reason why it was changed (technically, its alternate mode still has knockdown without being unbalanced). There's also a reason why unbalanced was added to the long hafted spiked and knobbed maces. If it was changed to blunt/unbalanced, it'd be a shorter, more damaging version of those, it wouldn't just look different. Its use would be more divergent in practice than the knobbed and spiked mace are from one another, in fact.
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Bec was ridiculously op and is still strong, there is no need for a buff.
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Dunno about NA servers but not everyone on EU has 50 armor. While Bec hits a bit harder (although maximum damage is lower, and I usually deal max damage) against armored enemies, it's also shit against archers and other low armored infantry, or horses.
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Bec de corbin never had crushthrough, not in cRPG. Neither was its damage ever that high. When it was originally changed into a functional weapon, it had 38 blunt. This changed to 38 pierce at some point. Then it started getting numerical damage nerfs.
You're right, Bec never had CT, Morningstar had CT and Bec had knockdown. It was a bit OP back then, with 38 pierce was balanced weapon.
Bec was never a problem on EU servers. NA players and their QQ are responsible for every single Bec nerf.
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Not sure why people complaining about the length of the weapon, its just as long as any other 2 hander. Ya its a polearm but it performs like a 2h.
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Not sure why people complaining about the length of the weapon, its just as long as any other 2 hander. Ya its a polearm but it performs like a 2h.
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Not sure why people complaining about the length of the weapon, its just as long as any other 2 hander. Ya its a polearm but it performs like a 2h.
Hint for why people complain : animations.
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+3 heavy loomed dried dick skin banded is standard NA wear. 50 armor.
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BECK IS FINE
2 hit story
but secondary mode is really stupid
I think then with that lenght and spead blunt damange should be around 28-31
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Since now I own MW Bec I have no right to ask for buff, because that would be lobbying.
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Bec is crap, too short.