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Title: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: v/onMega on June 04, 2012, 07:48:28 pm

Hey folks,

Nations Cup coming up - One thing came to my mind.

Maybe somebody should record match ups?

Problem: If you don´t own a SSD HD you can´t get fluent recordings in 1080p with FRAPS (atleast I can´t get 60 or more fps ingame).

Now, I found a way to get fluent ingame fps and get fluent video capture in real 1080p.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fbsEt6VFrA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fbsEt6VFrA)

Using Playclaw instead of fraps solved many problems.

Comment on the quality etc. please.
Do ppl. know methods / codecs for 1080p recordings that give you good quality and low size?

Preferably people who know what they talk about :-)

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: Son Of Odin on June 04, 2012, 07:52:17 pm

My weakest moments captured in HD. Nice :mrgreen:

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: Nessaj on June 04, 2012, 08:51:15 pm

x264/H.264

(click to show/hide)

Features Overview

Provides best-in-class performance, compression, and features.

Achieves dramatic performance, encoding 4 or more 1080p streams in realtime on a single consumer-level computer.

Gives the best quality, having the most advanced psychovisual optimizations.

Support features necessary for many different applications, such as television broadcast, Blu-ray low-latency video applications, and web video.

x264 forms the core of many web video services, such as Youtube, Facebook, Vimeo, and Hulu. It is widely used in television broadcast and by ISP.

http://www.videolan.org/developers/x264.html (http://www.videolan.org/developers/x264.html)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X264 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X264)

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iTunes 1080p video looks better, saves space using better H.264 compression (http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/03/new-itunes-1080p-looks-good-through-better-h264-compression/) (Ars Technica)

Improved H.264 Compression Holds Down File Sizes on 1080p iTunes Store Content (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/03/09/improved-h-264-compression-holds-down-file-sizes-on-1080p-itunes-store-content/) (Mac Rumors)

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: Burr1ck on June 04, 2012, 10:29:57 pm

Wow, thanks for the notice about Playclaw, I'll check that out!

Any chance you are going to stream the cRPG Nations Cup, maybe have come commentators :P?

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: LordBerenger on June 04, 2012, 10:35:48 pm

Quote from: Burr1ck on June 04, 2012, 10:29:57 pm

Wow, thanks for the notice about Playclaw, I'll check that out!

Any chance you are going to stream the cRPG Nations Cup, maybe have come commentators :P?

Like who? Fallen Mike and Templar Alpha then imo. And also someone from NA...hmmm...Huey.

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: Spanish on June 04, 2012, 11:02:34 pm

This is awesome! Idk how huey will commentate if he makes the US team so try sittingbull hes got a sexy voice!

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on June 05, 2012, 01:12:56 am

30 FPS is good enough. I've recoded 1080 with FRAPS at 30 fps and it's plenty smooth enough for the job.

One thing I will say about FRAPS is that it's output codec is a pile of shit. So if playclaw has a better codec that's more compatiable with AVID/Premier/Final Cut then awesome!

I'll give it a go and see who it works out with my 2 piles of shit.

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: LastKaze on June 05, 2012, 01:20:18 am

Thx for letting us know about PlayCrawl, might make my next video using it, hope it's better than fraps.

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: v/onMega on June 05, 2012, 10:16:38 am

I got my hands on an older Playclaw release. 1.8 something.

Tested the newest 3.0, apparently u could even capture 60 fps with it.

Playclaw definetly is worth a try, since its more sophisticated compression options make it stand out before fraps, atleast for live capturing, assuming you dont have a SSD but an otherwise nice comp.

For best codec use 3 out of 4 cores (4 core cpu).
25 fps is pal standard.
Fluent image and most important, not as much to write for the HDD.

No worries, ingame fps will be stable.

After that, use Vegas for cutting (merge into uncompressed avi)and StaxRip for encoding.

Somebody send me premier pro or after effects xD. Need those programs!!!

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: Gomer on June 06, 2012, 08:32:26 am

Get ur cell phone hold it up to your screen. Done

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: Slamz on June 06, 2012, 09:36:45 am

Quote from: v/onMega on June 04, 2012, 07:48:28 pm

Problem: If you don´t own a SSD HD you can´t get fluent recordings in 1080p with FRAPS (atleast I can´t get 60 or more fps ingame).

Check your CPU usage.  On my system, FRAPS is CPU-bound, not I/O bound.  I can record to my hard disc or SSD and there's no difference -- problem is CPU is 100%.

I greatly improved FRAPS by ovecrlocking my CPU.

Still, I may check out PlayClaw.  FRAPS has been good for years but it's behind the times.  Being single-core is really making it suck.

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: v/onMega on June 06, 2012, 10:28:53 am

Phenom Quad 955 @ 3.4 Ghz
8Gb 1666 mhz ram
Gtx 570 oc

Cpu isnt that great anymore, though I assume that it is the harddrive chocking.
60 fps at 1920x1080 equals over 100mb per second for writing.

5400rpm hdd wont make that.

SSD can write 440 megs per sec.
That would do it. Though 500 bugs for 500 Gigs is out of proportion.

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on June 06, 2012, 10:54:15 am

Yeah I'm over FRAPS, it's been a while since they had a good update and I had to do some much screwing around last time I formatted my editing brick to be able to use the stuff. Freaking codec nightmare.

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: Renten on June 06, 2012, 11:08:01 am

You can also solve the write speed problem with multiple HDs. For example if one of the hds only job is to write data for fraps while the other does the rest it works quite well (assuming the hd has a fast enough write speed). You could also set up a raid 0 to try to get past the write speed of your hard drives as it does increase performance.

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: v/onMega on June 06, 2012, 11:59:41 am

Sure, you can get a VelociRaptor for what, 150 bugs.

Still, I doubt it has enough performance for uncompressed 60 fps. Even 30 fps should be a problem.

Raid 0, sure, though I got other, better things to do xD. Still no guarantee.

Uncompressed footage looks awesome, but cpu and hd must be really really good.

Birthday soon....might spend 800 bugs for a little "upgrade".

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: Thomek on June 06, 2012, 12:35:30 pm

I can confirm Nessaj's recommendation.

h264 in some form is the way to go.

It might be impossible to record and compress h264 live, so my best bet is that you record in something with a mild compression, then convert it to h264 later for web distribution or upload to youtube.

Recording format should have mild compression, because no compression would tax your drives immensely, and too high would tax your cpu too much.

My 1080p h264 quality settings in quicktime is set to halfway between medium and high. It's a nice compromise between quality and compression.
Don't forget to also compress the sound in some way, as it too can take up a lot of space.

* MPEG streamclip is a great software for batch-converting large numbers of files.. and it's free.
* Test your workflow with small files before you do the big thing.. :) very important that.

good luck!

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: v/onMega on June 06, 2012, 03:34:45 pm

Should ve written....dont start with explaining things from scratch....xD

Thx anyways!

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: Burr1ck on June 22, 2012, 02:55:48 am

Ok, I did a test with PlayClaw (one of the two, other one will be uploaded later) and used the 1080p h264/ mp4 settings as recommended by Thomek and Nessaj.

Captured at 60fps, fullscreen and no sound with PlayClaw.
Edited using Sony Vegas pro 10.
Rendered at 1080p, h264 extension, 30fps and at 10mbps with HandBrake (http://handbrake.fr/).

Click me for video! Watch in fullscreen HD (1080p recommended) as it was made for HD. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkgHmoaNm-M)

PlawClaw performs really well, now I can record at fullscreen at 60fps and play really well with little lag! Before when I was using Fraps, it was more laggy and recording at fullscreen was unplayable. So, I really recommend PlawClaw for anyone wanting to record gameplay videos :D!

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: Para on June 22, 2012, 03:05:43 am

Btw youtube caps videos at 30 fps, so you can save yourself some space and just capture at 30.

Title: Re: Capturing 1080p - Nations Cup
Post by: Burr1ck on June 22, 2012, 03:13:33 am

That's if you're concerned about space, plus 60fps is good for slomos!