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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Adamar on May 20, 2012, 04:15:07 pm

Title: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: Adamar on May 20, 2012, 04:15:07 pm
Too many failed long ranged shots for a 2 slot weapon. Its bad enought that a 21 21 hornbow build beats a 18 24 longbow build in every way, longbows are the slowest and less accurate of all bows, making them the worst bows in an archery duel. We must at least be able to shoot people at long range.
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: tankmen on May 21, 2012, 01:33:44 am
go die
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: Adamar on May 21, 2012, 03:21:36 am
I die more than I kill yes
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: Zaren on May 21, 2012, 03:45:13 am
Quote from: Adamar on May 20, 2012, 04:15:07 pm
Too many failed long ranged shots for a 2 slot weapon. Its bad enought that a 21 21 hornbow build beats a 18 24 longbow build in every way, longbows are the slowest and less accurate of all bows, making them the worst bows in an archery duel. We must at least be able to shoot people at long range.
1.longbows are not good for archery duels unless your pro at longbows... you cant expect a SLOW hard hitting bow to be able to duel against a faster one
2.they are accurate enough at least... what shit are you smoking while you play. Agile and Robin can hit me from half way across the map while i try to approach them.
3.yes they MAY need a little buff but i think they are still pretty damn good

oh yeah and why would you go 18-24 with a bow thats supposed to hit really hard... go at least 21-18
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: [ptx] on May 21, 2012, 07:45:18 am
Quote from: blacktiger28 on May 21, 2012, 03:45:13 am
1.longbows are not good for archery duels unless your pro at longbows... you cant expect a SLOW hard hitting bow to be able to duel against a faster one
2.they are accurate enough at least... what shit are you smoking while you play. Agile and Robin can hit me from half way across the map while i try to approach them.
3.yes they MAY need a little buff but i think they are still pretty damn good

oh yeah and why would you go 18-24 with a bow thats supposed to hit really hard... go at least 21-18
Obviously you haven't played with it, so, hush.
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: tankmen on May 21, 2012, 07:49:01 am
Quote from: Adamar on May 21, 2012, 03:21:36 am
I die more than I kill yes
  alright then nothing wrong here it seems
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: Herkkutatti on May 21, 2012, 08:23:42 am
STFU it's already a fucking sniper just like all of the bows
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: Adamar on May 21, 2012, 04:04:11 pm
Quote from: Herkkutatti on May 21, 2012, 08:23:42 am
STFU it's already a fucking sniper just like all of the bows

Not in my experience, that's what Im saying. Standing targets and stuff should be easy, but arrows still fly around them way too much. Im only requesting a slight accuracy buff, so that the longbow isn't so useless when compared to others, that are already faster. A mw longbow is the most innacurate piece of crap in the game and I fing myself regreting looming it. It shouldn't be so.
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: BlindGuy on May 21, 2012, 04:08:15 pm
Quote from: blacktiger28 on May 21, 2012, 03:45:13 am

oh yeah and why would you go 18-24 with a bow thats supposed to hit really hard... go at least 21-18

What shit are YOU smoking, 21-18 longbow archer isnt going to hit the broad side of a barn.
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: XyNox on May 21, 2012, 05:02:35 pm
Im using the longbow for like 6 gens now and loomed to +3

The moment I stuffed a loom point into it was when I regretted it at first. I played around with some builds and found a build with decent accuracy: 18/21 6 PD 7 WM 164 something wpf. And this is the problem, IMO 18/21 is the ONLY viable longbow build there is.

6 PD is the minimum requirement so 18 str is a must have. Also it seems there is kind of a magic mark that lies around 160 wpf that gives a noticable accuracy boost, which pretty much means 7 WM is the minimum to get this bow to work properly leaving you with a 18/21 build. I guess it has something do with the drawing animation getting fast enough to surpass the reticule spread timer. You still have about 0 seconds optimal reticul hold time but at least with 7 WM you can actually release before the retiule starts to enlarge. Still not exactly a sniper.

Being "forced" to go 6 PD at lvl 30 with a damage focused bow is bullshit of course. +1 second optimum reticul hold time to all bows and archery would feel a lot less bugged. In the end I think everyone would be better off with a rusbow.
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: Adamar on May 21, 2012, 08:23:36 pm
Quote from: XyNox on May 21, 2012, 05:02:35 pm
+1 second optimum reticul hold time to all bows and archery would feel a lot less bugged.

I agree, but only for the 2 slot bows, to keep things leveled.
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: Ronin on May 22, 2012, 01:39:29 pm
Actually long bow is the least accurate of all bows. While short bow is the most accurate.
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: Adamar on May 22, 2012, 11:05:51 pm
Quote from: Ronin on May 22, 2012, 01:39:29 pm
Actually long bow is the least accurate of all bows. While short bow is the most accurate.

 :shock:
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on May 22, 2012, 11:22:22 pm
Quote from: Ronin on May 22, 2012, 01:39:29 pm
Actually long bow is the least accurate of all bows. While short bow is the most accurate.

says longbow has the best accuracy of all the bows...and has the highest missile speed.  Although, maybe the missile speed should be faster than 1 higher than rus bow??

Just curious, what is native's missile speed for bows?  I think it's WAY too fast, but I think cRPG's missile speeds are slightly too slow.
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: Adamar on May 22, 2012, 11:28:19 pm
Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on May 22, 2012, 11:22:22 pm
says longbow has the best accuracy of all the bows...and has the highest missile speed.  Although, maybe the missile speed should be faster than 1 higher than rus bow??

The stronger bows have more accuracy in number, but the real accuracy is affected by damage too. This makes bows more innacurate as they are strong, and I think they get even more innacurate when loomed.
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: Ronin on May 22, 2012, 11:35:08 pm
Here is a thread you might find useful, http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,31619.0.html
Oscar goes to, Sebastian!
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: _Sebastian_ on May 22, 2012, 11:36:04 pm
Each damage point decreases the accuracy by 1.

Short Bow    96 - 16  = 80
Bow             96 - 18  = 78
Nomad Bow 96 - 20  = 76
Tatar Bow    97 - 22  = 75
Horn Bow    97 - 24   = 73
Yumi            100 - 26 = 74
Rus Bow      100 - 28 = 72
Long Bow    101 - 31 = 70


Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on May 22, 2012, 11:22:22 pm
Just curious, what is native's missile speed for bows?  I think it's WAY too fast, but I think cRPG's missile speeds are slightly too slow.
Yup... native bow missile speed is way to high, but the airfriction is realistic.
In crpg the missile speed is also a little bit to high but the airfriction is unrealistc.

Some tests;
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MW Longbow

cRPG air friction = 0,003
43m/s +  6pd = 67,67m/s  max range = 243,4m
43m/s + 10pd = 76,54m/s  max range = 278,5m

Native air friction = 0,002
43m/s +  6pd = 67,67m/s  max range = 285,3m
43m/s + 10pd = 76,54m/s  max range = 332,4m


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Some tests in my mod with the native value

38m/s + 10pd = 67,64m/s  max range = 285,1m
40m/s + 10pd = 71,20m/s  max range = 304,2m

[xbow] 58m/s = 69,60m/s  max range = 289,2m
[xbow] 66m/s = 79,20m/s  max range = 345,0m
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: Saatana on June 08, 2012, 01:12:56 pm
There is no reason to use longbow at all, it's the worst "high end" bow that there is. Rus / horn bow is the way to go for a foot archer. Who gives a shit if you need 1-2 more arrows to kill the target, when you can hit with every arrow anyways, and shoot them fast enough so that the target doesn't have to time to take cover. Also, you gonna aim for the head most of the time anyways, wich pretty much always kills with 1 shot...
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: Arrowblood on June 08, 2012, 06:36:07 pm
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Speaks for itself.
With the correct build and some training its no luck to get kills.
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: Saatana on June 08, 2012, 07:31:05 pm
Quote from: Deutschritter on June 08, 2012, 06:36:07 pm
Longbowpower:
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Speaks for itself.
With the correct build and some training its no luck to get kills.
Nobody ever said you can't get kills with it. You can top the scoreboards with practice sword. Still, there is no point using longbow. Rus bow is a lot better, in any situation. It's not even something to argue about, it's the truth.
Title: Re: My longbow needs an accuracy boost
Post by: Arrowblood on June 08, 2012, 08:25:54 pm
Longbow is for the cool and wannabe Robins Hoods . :!: