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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on May 13, 2012, 12:46:00 am

Title: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on May 13, 2012, 12:46:00 am
POLESTAGGER is ok but not for every weapon in Poleclass...

My Suggestion is:
too rework the hole Pole Weps by dividing pure stab weps like Pikes and Spears and Swingabel Poles like LWA and Polaxe ect...
Polestagger is simply unbalanced at the current State.
Its ok and reasonabel for Stab Weps but why the hell Weapons like LHB should have Polestagger????????
IMBA
Those Exampels are weps which make their Dmg with the Swing and simply not belong in the Poleclass.
They need too be moved too the 2H Wpf or a new class because u fight with them like u fight with a 2h sword...
only difference is that they got polestagger CHEAT and also they r the 2nd Wep for cavs and Inf Stabbers....
This also would have the effect that there r much less peeps choose too be LancerCav becuz they r much more dedicated then.
Also it will decrease the amount of Stab hoes which (for my taste)(not becuz of chase :D)
r too many right now and plague the melee INF battelz.
Its also a Major Balance Question.
Pole users can be Cav ,Hoplites ,Maulers and Swing Spammers at the same time and as an add they have 2 cheats (Cav n polestagger)
In compare too the other Wpf:

-If u choose 2h (Wpf) u can be Mauler or 2H
-If u chosse 1h           u can be shielder or half 2H
-IF u choose Archery  u can be Archer
-If u choose Throw     u can be Thrower
-If u choose x Bow     u can be BF3

greetz OD

Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: Rainbow on May 13, 2012, 12:53:50 am
just take pole stagger away.  problem solved.  There will be an initial wave of crazy *give it back* but it will die down.  All polearm weps hit like a truck.  No reason to give them an unfair advantage.  They don't need it.  Even the two direction and one directional spears dont need it to be an effective wep.  **Solved**  lock thread.  :-)
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on May 13, 2012, 12:57:07 am
well i think for Hoplites and Pikes its legit...
even if  LoLPikes need an own Class :wink:
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: Ptolemy on May 13, 2012, 01:19:14 am
No. Kill polestun. Save a kitten.
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: Momo on May 13, 2012, 01:28:33 am
Quote from: Ptolemy on May 13, 2012, 01:19:14 am
No. Kill polestagger. Save a kitten.

This.
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: Rainbow on May 13, 2012, 01:41:12 am
Add the option get rid of pole stagger all together.  That vote will win every time.
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: Adamar on May 13, 2012, 02:02:26 am
Good thread. I was surprised when I survided a hit from a great big axe, more so when I couldn't react against the 2nd hit.
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on May 13, 2012, 02:12:36 am
no i wll not kill polestun with a vote
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: Malaclypse on May 13, 2012, 02:25:31 am
Quote from: Rainbow on May 13, 2012, 12:53:50 am
All polearm weps hit like a truck.

Side-swings on Spear, War Spear. These and other attacks in the polearm class need a damage buff when stagger is removed.
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: cmp on May 13, 2012, 02:37:04 am
Quote from: Malaclypse on May 13, 2012, 02:25:31 am
Side-swings on Spear, War Spear. These and other attacks in the polearm class need a damage buff when stagger is removed.

I hereby solemnly swear to drink a beer and eat a pizza the moment stagger is removed.
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: Brrrak on May 13, 2012, 02:41:57 am
Quote from: cmpxchg8b on May 13, 2012, 02:37:04 am
I hereby solemnly swear to raise spear damage by 15 the moment stagger is removed.

That's an awfully high amount.  Unless...
(click to show/hide)

Which is a shame, because it's terribly easy sometimes to stunlock a person with the lhb.
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: cmp on May 13, 2012, 02:43:27 am
I meant removed from spears, obviously. And removed doesn't include changed either.
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: Rebelyell on May 13, 2012, 03:00:35 am
hmm....
at last something what can be interesting
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: ArchonAlarion on May 13, 2012, 09:29:02 am
Is there some way to give Knockdown to poles to get rid of the polestagger, but without actually giving them knockdown? Like, do cut and pierce attacks kd, or can only blunt attacks kd?
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: Ptolemy on May 13, 2012, 12:06:27 pm
The fuck? KD is worse than stagger.
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: Gurnisson on May 13, 2012, 12:16:38 pm
Quote from: Ptolemy on May 13, 2012, 12:06:27 pm
The fuck? KD is worse than stagger.

You can only knock people down with blunt damage. If you gave all polearms the knockdown tag none would stagger anymore. However, awlpikes could knock down with the overhead and GLA with the thrust. I'm all for removing stagger with a small buff to polearms to compensate
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: Okkam on May 13, 2012, 03:30:14 pm
Quote from: cmpxchg8b on May 13, 2012, 02:43:27 am
I meant removed from spears, obviously. And removed doesn't include changed either.

Still think that +5 to damage and +5 to speed is better than +5 to damage.
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: Tzar on May 13, 2012, 04:01:12 pm
Quote from: Okkam on May 13, 2012, 03:30:14 pm
Still think that +5 to damage and +5 to speed is better than +5 to damage.

Huehuehuehue
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: San on May 13, 2012, 06:27:09 pm
Remove polestagger, but remove hoplite speed/damage reduction so they can actually attack after block easier and be more than just a nuisance(once it is removed).

They are only useful because of stagger at the moment, but removing it and making them more dangerous would be more fun.
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: Torben on May 13, 2012, 06:46:06 pm
Quote from: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on May 13, 2012, 12:46:00 am
Pole users can be Cav ,Hoplites ,Maulers and Swing Spammers at the same time and as an add they have 2 cheats (Cav n polestagger)
In compare too the other Wpf:

-If u choose 2h (Wpf) u can be Mauler or 2H
-If u chosse 1h           u can be shielder or half 2H
-IF u choose Archery  u can be Archer
-If u choose Throw     u can be Thrower
-If u choose x Bow     u can be BF3

greetz OD

just to clarifie:  pure polebuilds are less viable these days than pole/ 1h or pure 1h cav builds.  xbowers and throwers can go cav.  2h maul is an all different game than long maul.  polers have the disadvantage in close spaces.  1h and 2h have better animations for duelling. 

i get the stagger hate,  but dont hate PA,  their advantages come to a price,  just like all the other classes.
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on May 13, 2012, 09:38:18 pm
thats true
i completly forgett too add that any wpf user have the chance too go cav^^
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: Jarlek on May 16, 2012, 01:11:30 am
Harry. I've said it before and I'll say it again. FIX YOUR SPELLING, GODDAMMIT! I'm the foreigner and YOU'RE the Englishman! Our English skills should be the other way around!
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on May 16, 2012, 02:02:22 am
im german
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: Jarlek on May 16, 2012, 04:12:04 am
Quote from: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on May 16, 2012, 02:02:22 am
im german
Lies.
Title: Re: FIX THE POLEWEPS
Post by: Vibe on May 16, 2012, 08:14:18 am
Stagger is fine as long as it's not the one that grants the user another free hit.