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Title: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: callahan9119 on May 07, 2012, 02:58:36 am

Yeah, yeah...Horse crossbows suck and all that. But is this a decent hybrid type build for one?

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 12
Agility: 24
Hit points: 55
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 4
Power Strike: 4
Shield: 0
Athletics: 4
Riding: 7
Horse Archery: 4
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 60
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 150
Throwing: 1

I want to be able to do some 1 handed cav in addition to the xbow and have more options in the city maps... I'm not very knowledgeable about cav, yesterday was my first time really using it...but it was the funnest thing I've ever done in this game.

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: OpenPalm on May 07, 2012, 03:01:43 am

No, it is not.  This is better:

    Strength: 15
    Agility: 21
    Hit points: 60

    Skills to attributes: 2

    Ironflesh: 5
    Power Strike: 5
    Shield: 0
    Athletics: 6
    Riding: 6
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 7

    One Handed: 120
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 1
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 133
    Throwing: 1

This is a good fighter on and off horseback.  6 riding lets you get the Destrier, which is IMO better than a Courser for most things.  But if you want the Courser, you have enough Riding for it.  Your 24 AGI was wasted because none of your skill stats were 8.

15 str gives you access to the Arabian Cav Sword, which is pretty badass.  If you wanted, you could probably re-arrange points and get some Shield in there, and you'd be safe from projectiles.  If you're going to be mounted most of the time, I'd get rid of the Ath and get Shield instead.  You could even knock a point off of Riding and have 5 riding with a Destrier.

The build I'm going for on my main that you might find interesting is:

21 str
15 agi

5 WM
5 Ath
7 IF
7 PS
5 Riding

100 2h
120 Xbow

My first gen was 7if/7ps and I really liked it.  Enough punch to 2-4 shot people.  The only trouble is blocking quickly enough against Agility based builds and quick weapons.  But on foot I usually fight with my team-mates so it's not so bad.  When I'm mounted I'm going to basically be a HX that can wreck stuff with my Morningstar if needed.

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: callahan9119 on May 07, 2012, 03:06:36 am

You need 24 agility to get 4 horse archery...which you still need with xbows, unless I'm horribly mistaken.

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: OpenPalm on May 07, 2012, 03:10:46 am

I don't think Xbow while mounted requires the HA skill.  You've put a seed of doubt into my mind though...  I will ask around, please post if you find a definite answer so I know.

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: TurmoilTom on May 07, 2012, 03:14:23 am

Quote from: OpenPalm on May 07, 2012, 03:10:46 am

I don't think Xbow while mounted requires the HA skill.  You've put a seed of doubt into my mind though...  I will ask around, please post if you find a definite answer so I know.

xbow is hella inaccurate on a horse without the HA skill.

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: OpenPalm on May 07, 2012, 03:15:40 am

I guess you do need HA points.  Unfortunate...  I have to respec my main now.  :(

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: callahan9119 on May 07, 2012, 03:16:45 am

So in light of that, how's my build idea?

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: OpenPalm on May 07, 2012, 03:24:43 am

It certainly looks better.  :D

I'd rather get only 5 riding and put those two points into WM so you can swing faster/be more accurate.  Under 100 wpf in a melee weapon makes it kind of slow apparently, though I haven't tested it personally.  Also, the extra riding is not being used unless you go for the Arabian.  So really it depends on what horse you get.

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: callahan9119 on May 07, 2012, 03:28:10 am

It does increase the horses maneuverability. It's not just a riding requirement.

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: OpenPalm on May 07, 2012, 03:29:19 am

I made a cav with 8 riding, and on a Destrier I couldn't often get away from other cav on Coursers.  I might just be terrible at avoiding them, but it didn't seem to help too much having the extra riding.

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: callahan9119 on May 07, 2012, 03:34:49 am

It says on the screen where you add points that it increases riding speed, acceleration and maneuverability.

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: TurmoilTom on May 07, 2012, 03:37:29 am

Cavalry and Xbows are both things that one can hybrid easily, but HXbow is not. The points necessary in Horse Archery require so much Agility you simply can't have the Strength to pull of a decent Infantry build to accompany it.

Your choices are either a 12/24 build that can pull off shooting while on a horse semi-decent but is extremely limited as infantry or a 18/18 build that is more useful as a melee build on foot and on horseback but mediocre as a shooter while mounted.

Some examples:

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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    Strength: 12
    Agility: 24

    Skills to attributes: 2

    Power Strike: 4
    Athletics: 8
    Riding: 8
    Horse Archery: 4
    Weapon Master: 5

    One Handed: 90
    Crossbow: 130

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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    Strength: 18
    Agility: 18

    Skills to attributes: 2

    Ironflesh: 2
    Power Strike: 6
    Athletics: 6
    Riding: 6
    Horse Archery: 3
    Weapon Master: 6

    One Handed: 108
    Crossbow: 130

I'm no expert of Horse Crossbows, but the best possible advice you could get regarding them would probably come from ROHYPNOL.

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: callahan9119 on May 07, 2012, 03:42:19 am

The only thing I'm missing is 1 extra point in horse archery that the most extreme guys go for with 7/30. And getting the ten riding from the 7/30 build.

8 athletics is a huge investment when I plan on being on a horse most of the time. I just got 4 for the cases where I'm unhorsed or fighting on foot in cities. Does armor effect your crossbow skill when you're on a horse?

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: Deathwhisper on May 07, 2012, 08:47:36 pm

Afaik you get the horseback penalty only if you're moving. So you could simply stop before shooting when using the build with less HA, at least if you're not being chased by enemy cav.

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: Rebelyell on May 07, 2012, 09:04:26 pm

Quote

I'm not very knowledgeable about cav, yesterday was my first time really using it...but it was the funnest thing I've ever done in this game.

And why we still nerf fun

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: callahan9119 on May 08, 2012, 02:42:33 am

Quote from: Deathwhisper on May 07, 2012, 08:47:36 pm

Afaik you get the horseback penalty only if you're moving. So you could simply stop before shooting when using the build with less HA, at least if you're not being chased by enemy cav.

That's pointless.

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: Ronin on May 09, 2012, 02:18:53 am

Crossbow damage is not being effected by the HA skill. It's just aim. Stop spreading false information.

Your build seems nice so far callahan. You may think of having some shield skill as well. Cut from athletics or ironflesh if you'd like. Not a big problem if you do not though. Decide through playing experience.

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: callahan9119 on May 09, 2012, 02:32:37 am

Quote from: Ronin on May 09, 2012, 02:18:53 am

Crossbow damage is not being effected by the HA skill. It's just aim. Stop spreading false information.

Your build seems nice so far callahan. You may think of having some shield skill as well. Cut from athletics or ironflesh if you'd like. Not a big problem if you do not though. Decide through playing experience.

Thanks. It's a hard choice, do I limit myself to just 12 bolts and bring a shield or just take a sword and have 24 bolts...

As it stands now, I'm usually stone cold dead before I go through 12 bolts, but I expect my survivability will increas when I get more levels. Dying or not, this is friggin great fun.

Do the same armor penalties to WPF effect you when mounted as when on foot? I'd really like to wear something besides light leather...nothing heavy, but maybe a Lamellar Vest when I can put more in str after the agility dump to get 3 HA.

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: Player_01 on May 09, 2012, 04:27:07 am

I asked ROHYPNOL some time ago about hxbowery, he told me to get at least 3 HA skill and 130 xbow WPF. But even then i'd have to slow down a bit to get decently accurate shots.

Just my .02

Title: Re: Is this a good build for a hybrid type?
Post by: callahan9119 on May 09, 2012, 04:36:57 am

Yeah, I'll have 150 crossbow skill and 4 Horse Archery. I try to slow down whenever possible, but sometimes I just can't because I'm being trailed by lancers and other horse.