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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kocik_4th on January 05, 2011, 03:08:59 pm
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It's really good patch i see but i have some worries about repair and i want to see ppl's idea. Thanks.
And I know it'll be better.
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I think it barely makes a difference, except that people will be more conserved with equipment.
I.e high-end gear only on occasions etc.
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I think it barely makes a difference, except that people will be more conserved with equipment.
I.e high-end gear only on occasions etc.
I joined this but cant use middle equipments too i think.
I dont want to be a ninja with peasent armors :D
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I didnt like. nearly all round one of my items damaged and repair costs is too much
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I personally think it's nice. Instead of always giving up hope when that knight with the impenetrable plate and huge hammer that one hits you joins the game, you have a chance because he probably isn't wearing his toughest armor all the time, because it's bloody expensive to!
(Also, it's interesting to see how good those knights are against the mid level guys without their top tier gear.)
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I was on the borderline... it's a good concept but right now it needs huge adjustments.
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Well, I am peasant. And I have my iron staff from before-patch time. And... I can't afford repairing my iron staff! With peasant clothing and only old heather shield! SHIIT! I had 8+k of gold when i started to play, now i have 7,5 -.-
REMOVE THE REPAIR OR MAKE IT LESS EXPENSIVE!
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I think it will be reduced or balanced but i see its not good atm.
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i think repair cost is too much. it could be much under :S
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remove repair tool please...
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For what has been created repair system?
i think the idea is not be able to play always with higher combination of armor&weapons.
I said is not fair, and some one said me; war is not fair.
This is not war, is a GAME and no one like to play with low stuff for save money for repairs and then play just 1 or 2 rounds with what you like, lose x3 rounds and again same thing
There are other ways and if you got high stuff is cause you earned it
remove repair system and make a limit armor&weapon usage per map without waste money repairing
My idea - Server: You can not use your XXXXX armor/weapon anymore at this map! Rounds used: 3/7 Limit reached (it has been bringed to the automatic-free-repair-room try again next map)
edit: or forget my idea and make the repairs appear much later and with lowest cost of gold
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after this i can say;
Yea that was my best fun to buy new items everyday. I really love make money and buy more items, plates etc. but now i cant and i dont need to play 8-10 hours :)
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I had problem. Electricity in my house went down, and my pc turned off.
I was alive before, it was start of round. After i turned my pc on I saw that my boots are broken...
3k for repair.
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right now im too scared to use my 10k armor the only higher tier item im using is german poleaxe
so far it broke once and the upkeep cost was 2k ;(
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Make it a conssitent 2-4% of your equipment cost every round, instead of this randomized guessing game. As it is now people all go to low end equipment when their team starts losing becasue the 25% of any one expensive weapon/horse/etc. could be devastating. If you amke it a consistent rate there would be far elss motivation to switch up gear when you are on losing team because you have predictable losses.
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Feels like they want us to run arround naked.
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The game was so nice before..and now is a total mess.Archer where overpowered?So is in history.Cav OP?If u have the time read about infantry vs cav in medieval time.In my opinion it was a good mode.This mode?The UPkeep is the biggest nonsense of all!
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Feels like they want us to run arround naked.
i feel ya XD lol, its pretty bad
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Make it a conssitent 2-4% of your equipment cost every round, instead of this randomized guessing game. As it is now people all go to low end equipment when their team starts losing becasue the 25% of any one expensive weapon/horse/etc. could be devastating. If you amke it a consistent rate there would be far elss motivation to switch up gear when you are on losing team because you have predictable losses.
Yeah i think that is a better idea and i guess the devteam would find it much easier to balance repaircosts to a good lvl.
So pls think about that.
=> You have to pay upkeep every round regradless if you win or if you lose
=> You do pay x% not more not less.
Profit:
- You get a much better feeling about what you can afford to weare and what not. Its more predictable.
- Loserteam isnt chagning their armor to Peasantstuff and keep trying to win the round in their standard equip. If you make it like this it would be profitable to use ur best Equipment if you are losing to give your team an edge.
- x% every round can be finetuned much better by devteam.
PS: In gerneral i do like the idea of upkeep system. I dont like how it is done.
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I'm for more consistent and less random damage (but less expensive, too), seems a bit too random at the moment.
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I would say add equipment maintenance threshold based on character level.
At level 30 maintenance threshold will be at its max value: 60,000. This would include everything: Weapons, Armor, Horses.
At level 20 => 20,000
At level 10 => 10,000
This would allow you to have free upkeep on some items while not making anyone too overpowered.
Example builds:
Level 30+
One Hander:
Long Espada: ~8k
Huscarl Shield: ~6k
+/- Optional Items for hybrids:
Anti cavalry spears
Throwing weapons
Armor:
Transitional armor: ~20k
Gloves: ~10k
Boots: ~5k
Helmet: ~5k
Total: 54k
Notice this is not even a full plate build since plate is around 30k and that would already be more than half of the free maintenance allowance. And it does not include trivial items such as Pikes, Throwing, Horses and any other extras a tin can might have carried pre patch.
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I guess the repair costs on weaponry should be something like 5% and 10% MAX... what they did here is ruin the entire game... and also, i started playing this like 2 days ago, i leveled to 13, then when i tried to play today, i have my 13 LVL gear that i bought, but im now LVL 4 and cant use most of it... what the hell?
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I guess the repair costs on weaponry should be something like 5% and 10% MAX... what they did here is ruin the entire game... and also, i started playing this like 2 days ago, i leveled to 13, then when i tried to play today, i have my 13 LVL gear that i bought, but im now LVL 4 and cant use most of it... what the hell?
The levels have been recalculated to the new experience requirements. I was level 37 and went back to 26, it's "normal".
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Repairing anything should never be more costly then the gold you earn in a round, imo. That way it'll still be a challenge to obtain some plate armor, but once you have it... you can either choose to maintain that, or equip some peasant clothing and 'farm' more gold.
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Repairing anything should never be more costly then the gold you earn in a round, imo. That way it'll still be a challenge to obtain some plate armor, but once you have it... you can either choose to maintain that, or equip some peasant clothing and 'farm' more gold.
Horrible idea.
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I think that it is too earlier to be playing around with the repair costs since most players have not had an adequate chance to fight & die in the new gaming environment.
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Cased Greaves -2/0 Repair for 925 Gold
Milanese Plate -3/0 Repair for 6327 Gold
Armet -1/0 Repair for 1950 Gold
Highland Claymore -1/0 Repair for 1978
Gold 1884
Your repair system sux...
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My opinion here is largely irrelevant to most rage-flamers, but I will say this:
Expensive upkeep is good. The situation pre-patch was awful, with people being able to have all the most expensive gear with little skill.
My only concern is that NOBODY, even the best players, will be able to effectively wear platemail, or use the best weapons, due to upkeep.
Prepatch, I was wearing gear that totalled about 90k gold (base).
Now, I'm wearing gear totalling about 8k. I dont think it's a bad thing, but it IS a huge difference!
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Maybe if you guys learnt to NOT use the EZ MODE CRUTCH PLATE you wouldn't complain so fucking much.
IN A NUTSHELL, Learn to play.
It's really simple, I top scoreboards in a 5k gold armor, you don't need 30k plate armor.
The Upkeep is specifically so there's less plate bundle of stickss running around.
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I would say add equipment maintenance threshold based on character level.
At level 30 maintenance threshold will be at its max value: 60,000. This would include everything: Weapons, Armor, Horses.
At level 20 => 20,000
At level 10 => 10,000
This would allow you to have free upkeep on some items while not making anyone too overpowered.
Example builds:
Level 30+
One Hander:
Long Espada: ~8k
Huscarl Shield: ~6k
+/- Optional Items for hybrids:
Anti cavalry spears
Throwing weapons
Armor:
Transitional armor: ~20k
Gloves: ~10k
Boots: ~5k
Helmet: ~5k
Total: 54k
Notice this is not even a full plate build since plate is around 30k and that would already be more than half of the free maintenance allowance. And it does not include trivial items such as Pikes, Throwing, Horses and any other extras a tin can might have carried pre patch.
TBH what you built there is in the High-End. Sure you can make even more expensive but your compilation of weapons/shields/armor is really high.
If Upkeep would go around 60k everybody would be in a platelike armor again. I also think that 20k is a little bit low but 60k, 50k or even 40k is way to much. Add Strategus money to this and you´ll see Plated man with best Equipment + Uberhorse and X-Bow everywhere again.
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Black Greaves -1/0 Repair for 925 Gold
Black Helmet -2/0 Repair for 1129 Gold
Coat of Plates -2/0 Repair for 3005 Gold
Bolts -1/0 Repair for 32 Gold
Whet is the chance of item being damaged ? Come on in every game that my team lose I got something damaged. Since last repair I lost 4 times. 4 damn times and I received 6 damaged items. I feel like the most lucky guy ever.
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Please remove it!
I'd rather focus on the combat, not on trying to save armor and make the game less intense.
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It costed me like 3000 to repair my gear in one round...
I was wearing a kettle helmet, black lamellar armor, splinted boots with spurs, and a bar mace. I won 3 rounds after that and still didn't make my money back. Just remove it and focus more on combat.
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WOOO YOU PLAYED 3 ROUNDS WOOOO YOU KNOW HOW THE UPKEEP WORKS ALREADY.
Holy shit, you guys have no patience, jumping to conclusions after 3 rounds.
I'm all my stuff is worth around 20k in total and I'm doing absolutely fine, I even have extra gold.
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The only conclusion is that you can in every lost battle get damage that will cost you around 1k gold to repair.
How many rounds you have to play to earn that. Yes you can for some lucky thing get into wining team for >9000 times, and get milions, but you can also be in loosing team, and destroy your whole EQ.
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After playing for ~4-5 hours, upkeep is fine and allows you to be decently equipped. Sure, it could be less random and more predictable... but the numbers are good, and you can - provided you have a gold buffer to sort out a string of random events - use circa 20k of gear without issues.
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Ok well take whats happened to me for example, when i could afford Tourney armor, i bought it, that was the last piece of armor i bought until now, i saved and saved and saved to buy black, i bought it right before the patch, thus rendering me flat broke. never did i imagine the patch was finally gunna happen. so 3 rounds into the new patch, black armor done. i cant afford to fix it, nor do i think ill ever use it again because of that. unless your on a winning team, you dont get enough gold to fix y0 shit. so now im back to wearing the tourney and being pissed i dumped so much gold into armor, that i thoughtt id never have to buy some new of again. other than this i think the patch is an incredible success.
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^ Yes
This repairing is the only thing I don't like about the patch, and the new 2H thrust. :?
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Make it a conssitent 2-4% of your equipment cost every round, instead of this randomized guessing game. As it is now people all go to low end equipment when their team starts losing becasue the 25% of any one expensive weapon/horse/etc. could be devastating. If you amke it a consistent rate there would be far elss motivation to switch up gear when you are on losing team because you have predictable losses.
100% agreed.
That, or just balance items so an upkeep system isnt needed
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My opinion here is largely irrelevant to most rage-flamers, but I will say this:
Expensive upkeep is good. The situation pre-patch was awful, with people being able to have all the most expensive gear with little skill.
My only concern is that NOBODY, even the best players, will be able to effectively wear platemail, or use the best weapons, due to upkeep.
Prepatch, I was wearing gear that totalled about 90k gold (base).
Now, I'm wearing gear totalling about 8k. I dont think it's a bad thing, but it IS a huge difference!
I second that. I like the idea of repairing costs and I'd like to see less tincans on the battlefield just because only the best players can afford it.
Maybe the costs are too high now, but I like the direction of this new feature.
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To do this you need to wipe all chars to lvl 1.
Some people have over 100k gold form time before patch. Start everything all over again, and then every thing will be based on skills.
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I see ppl without armor, and only with shield that rape ppl on their chargers. Something is wrong....
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I see ppl without armor, and only with shield that rape ppl on their chargers. Something is wrong....
Well, it is Mount&Blade.. :p
Still I agree with you. Patch buffed already overpowered cavalry.
As for the repair/upkeep imho it should be constant x% of every items' value regardless of win or loss. Or what, my sword magicly sharpened itself because my side won the battle? The random system just sucks - first you'll go 3~4 rounds on losing side without repair costs and next loss you'll get 5~10k repair bill.
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Yea, Im done with CRPG until they fix the god damn repair costs and until i stop crashing every time i join a game...I've been trying to fix it the last 2 days and shit all is working for me.
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100% agreed.
That, or just balance items so an upkeep system isnt needed
+1
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Wont this cause people on the losing team to just disconnect?
The problem will spiral until 1 team wins all 5 rounds every time because the losing team is quitting for fear of losing their money.
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Disconnecting breaks your armour.
The repair cost seems like it's 10% of your cost, which would be fine if it wasn't so frequent if you're on the losing side.
As it stands, you can upkeep armour easily if you maintained a x5 multiplier but the x1 on losing just isn't enough to maintain anything beyond leather and a longsword. And go kill yourself if you're going to defend it with a 'be better at the game' argument since that's moot in a team game. Pugs don't like working together so that argument is also out.
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I don't see why the breaking of an item is based on chance. What would make more sense to me is to have it break after a certain number of rounds lost like a ticket counter to give it a health instead of just being random.
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The repair poll fucked up all good Points of C-rpg
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this is a fix? this is fool ppl, make you calculation
chance at 4% instead 3 (+33%), upkeep from 20% to 5%(-75%), but you have it on losing and winning team (+100%) in total still 66% of what it was previously so upkeep still around 15%
play a charger horse can make you pay from minimum 15-20k MAP up to 50k. win or losing LOL
play a charger+plate+shield+weapon can make you pay from minimum 20k up to 90k win or losing LOL
withouth consider the no meaning of develop-exp a char
the indirect boost on str build who still can do 30 str, since 2handers still much more faster than 1h, expecial now with less wpf.
withouth consider 2handers have 1 less item to upkeep. and top 1h, not cost half of a 2handers. but not many ppl use the flamberge majority of player use cookies or tear sword, who cost only 2k more (9k top 1h vs 11-12k of cookie-tear sword) than a 1 hander, who need also to buy and upkeep a shield who cost between 6k and 10k (most used are huscarl)
so another unbalanced stuff
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i cant believe how dev team not understand that this upkeep
make team win 5:1 all time cause no one wanna pay 10k for wear a medium equip
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It favours 2h players a bit since it now costs more to be a 1h shield person.
Bah.
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i think, if the repair poll don't get edited, many users will stop playing c-rpg (or don't start to play)
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example i have a 9k worth equip
a stupid scimitar repair cost 676
and a norman shield repair cost 645 x2
padded vest repair cost 195
leather boots repair cost 28
played 4 round
gained 50gx 4 min
100g x 5 min
50g x 5 min
50g x 6 min
total income = 1250g
total lost with a 9k equipment = 2189
this is proofed and tested
cant even upkeep a9k equip lol
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Vicious, stop manipulating with facts. Do the math, not 3-round data.
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I don't like the repair once i picked up a 2handed sword from the ground and died lost 8k :/
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this is a fix? this is fool ppl, make you calculation
chance at 4% instead 3 (+33%), upkeep from 20% to 5%(-75%), but you have it on losing and winning team (+100%) in total still 66% of what it was previously so upkeep still around 15%
play a charger horse can make you pay from minimum 15-20k MAP up to 50k. win or losing LOL
play a charger+plate+shield+weapon can make you pay from minimum 20k up to 90k win or losing LOL
withouth consider the no meaning of develop-exp a char
the indirect boost on str build who still can do 30 str, since 2handers still much more faster than 1h, expecial now with less wpf.
withouth consider 2handers have 1 less item to upkeep. and top 1h, not cost half of a 2handers. but not many ppl use the flamberge majority of player use cookies or tear sword, who cost only 2k more (9k top 1h vs 11-12k of cookie-tear sword) than a 1 hander, who need also to buy and upkeep a shield who cost between 6k and 10k (most used are huscarl)
so another unbalanced stuff
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Vicious, stop manipulating with facts. Do the math, not 3-round data.
Stop sucking.
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You cannot make any money wearing half decent equiptment. I get bumped by a horse and the next round im paying 699 to repair it. I think the idea of equiptment repair is a great one but it needs to be done realistically. Every round I'm repairing most of my kit.
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I was playing earlier and my stones and my wrapping boots got damaged AT THE SAME TIME! It cost me a total of 0g to make those repairs. Do you know how long it takes to make up that much money?
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I was playing earlier and my stones and my wrapping boots got damaged AT THE SAME TIME! It cost me a total of 0g to make those repairs. Do you know how long it takes to make up that much money?
Yes because everyone wants to play with stones and wrapping boots. That's why we play this mod. I suggest a namechange to clothstonemod.
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Is your sarcasm detector working?
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Oh wow, once I upgraded to throwing lances I paid 2320 in one round. Still a net gain though.
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Cstonerpg mod
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Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
The mod had problems, but it seems like they could have been fixed by putting in the level 30 cap, which they did. Everything about this repair system has just been terrible. The people who were rich are getting richer, the people who were poor are stuck being poor and the people who were doing ok are getting fucked.
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Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
The mod had problems, but it seems like they could have been fixed by putting in the level 30 cap, which they did. Everything about this repair system has just been terrible. The people who were rich are getting richer, the people who were poor are stuck being poor and the people who were doing ok are getting fucked.
Im not sure what mod YOU are playing but Ive only managed to loose money by having x1 multiplier for a LONG time, while consistantly spawning with Barbutte, Brigandine, Warbow, 2x Bodkins, gloves&boots, and a toptier 1h or 2h weapon.......which is 25-30k of gear.....I could make REALLY good money by using just 10k of gear; Ill fix your post:
Everything about this repair system has just been terrible GREAT. The people who were rich are smart are getting richer, the people who were poor are stuck being poor gaining levels and getting richer, and the people who were doing ok using very expensive items as a crutch for poor gaming skills are getting fucked.
There. sorted that for you, no need to thank me!
EDIT: Who is this THEY? "They did this"...."THEY" broke the game....."They" should make a new patch....WHO IS THIS THEY??!!
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In a way I find the repair costs system good because it motivates to win rounds. But when my team loses several rounds, my money melts away. With multiplicator 1x I pay much more then I gain. I would suggest to lower the repair costs about 25% so one gets more opportunities to earn some money and buy some new equipment.
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In a way I find the repair costs system good because it motivates to win rounds. But when my team loses several rounds, my money melts away. With multiplicator 1x I pay much more then I gain. I would suggest to lower the repair costs about 25% so one gets more opportunities to earn some money and buy some new equipment.
The repair cost is fine, you need to equip less expensive items.
silly people xD
One handed swords & axes could use a decrease in price, every sword except the side sword.
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EDIT: Just noticed how old this thread was, making the posting pointless.
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Hi first what I want to say that repair system is a really good idea but its for everyone too expensive. For example I cant use my horse becose I must repair him even if he wasnt hurt or killed in one round and for my desert horse its 806 gold for round. So I sold an armor and I bought only Turban, nomad armor, nomad shoes, and leather gloves. I have Khergit bow, 2x bodakins arows and scimitar (not elite). But still I am in red numbers. So what can I use? only stumper horse, throwing stones and wooden sword and after that I can earn some money? Hey please lower that repair prices. I had 35000 and now I have only 1600 cose I pay 806 for horse 240 for bow 2x 280 for arows 90 for armor 15 for gloves. 30 for turban and its a really to much its unplayable.
Before two weeks (with different char cose I send him to retairment) I had a heavy armor, shield and one handed axe. And I pay for repairs to much money every round (again even when I wasnt hurt or shield wasnt broken) That I was on 0 gold... so I must fight naked, but I was kicked twice. I tryed explein my situation to admin but he still answering me that he dont want a naked warriors on his server again and again........ (maybe he is from catholic school)
SO PLEASE LOWER THAT PRICES FOR REPAIRS!
Ps: is here somewhere a list of equipment and prices for repairs?? pls send me a link if it exist. ¨
sry for my bad english.
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SOLUTION!
Stop wearing heavy armor/expensive shields, and stop being an useless cavalry/HA :D
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I knew that this forum is filled with whining people, (184; 49,2% so many :shock: )
but repair system is 100% OK, i can play with equipment worth 30.000 - 40.000 gold and i still earn some money.
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
Stop whining and dont use cheap stereotypes like that. ^^
(You have stolen that sentence from Civilizations IV :D )
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I started an alt the other day, within a few hours i had enough money to buy throwing lances.
Everyones argument is invalid. Learn to micro manage.
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Like any expensive thing since the patch. The price of lances is not in buying them. It's in upkeep.
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The system is good, anyone who chose the second option is someone who can't manage their income and expenses properly.
Yes you can't run around in plate forever, but is it that bad? You can still use it and youll actually learn to play, for once.
After this patch, I've seen a big increase in blocking skills of the crpg community overall. Which is great!
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Fine for me, I would make upkeep more costly even further if I were dev.
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Where's the "i hate chadz" option ?
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SOLUTION!
Stop wearing heavy armor/expensive shields, and stop being an useless cavalry/HA :D
Maybe you are an American so you cant read cose I wrote there that I have a Turban, leather gloves, nomad armor and nomad shoes. So I dont have a heavy armor, I dont have shield, and I have only desert horse so its not one of the best horses. And still I dont have money for repairs... And useless cavalary??? you are new here or you play only siege mod? Cose I play mainly battles on open fields and in most cases victory depends on number of horsemans in team. Hey and I posted here becose I wanted hear from others some sort of ideas or I wanted know if is possible lower that prices for repairs. But everytime and on every forum I find only idiots like you/HA :D
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Bah if repair system would go i´d change to a plated charger and full plate in a second and so would do 99% of the players.
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THIS THREAD IS OLD, AND NO LONGER VALID. THE THREAD WAS MADE PRIOR TO A CHANGE THAT ALREADY REDUCED UPKEEP. MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THIS POLL AGAINST UPKEEP NO LONGER HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. IF YOU WANT AN ACCURATE THREAD ABOUT HOW PEOPLE CURRENTLY FEEL ABOUT UPKEEP, START A NEW THREAD.
I REPEAT, DON'T RESURRECT THREADS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT IS GOING ON TODAY!! MAKE A NEW THREAD!!!
This message brought to you by Heroin. Caps lock is fun.
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Yea very old and it was before reduce upkeep.
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Like any expensive thing since the patch. The price of lances is not in buying them. It's in upkeep.
Well then, I'll just exercise some self control and not use 4 stacks of them every round
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Can an admin please lock this thread so that further discussion on the CURRENT upkeep system can take place in a proper location?
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It still sucks. The new poll will of course indicate a different result since a few of the anti-upkeep voters decided to leave the game.
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I think upkeep should be increased, especially for the plate gear.
People are accumulating alot of money now and there's and increase of people in full plate with plated chargers.
There's some guys that every time I see them they have black armour or a plated charger.
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Well then, I'll just exercise some self control and not use 4 stacks of them every round
2 stacks of those, 2 of stones, a sturdy robe and a leather cap. Best build there is. Good luck however you use them, they're fun but a danger to enemies, teammates and self.
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I actually like dressing in a lowbie chest armor and a straw hat once in a while to recover my wealth. Makes those athletic skill points really stand out.
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I actually like dressing in a lowbie chest armor and a straw hat once in a while to recover my wealth. Makes those athletic skill points really stand out.
There's not a problem if you do what you like to have most fun in the game. The problem is when you are forced to do stuff you don't like to eventually have fun later.
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For the past 2 days my repair bill has been outrageous. I don't even wear or use nice items - my best is a long sword espana - some heavy throwing axes and huscarl shield. But regardless of what happens in the battle, I always have about half my items break. Regardless of win, lose, live, or die.
I would have to estimate that 1 in 20 rounds I have no repair bills.
At this rate I have to grind away naked for about 3 hours in order to play for about 30 minutes of battle in my mid gear(less than 30k total) - to me grinding is the most god awful pain in the ass thing you can put in a game, but here it is - you have to grind or get 5x to use your mid-level gear.
Perhaps this is because I am using a thrower first time? I pick up my axes all the time and re-throw them, perhaps that is counting against my total equip used?
All I know is that the repair thing is totally overpowered now and it is ruining the game -
At least put in a REPAIR skill or something...
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I use like 25-30k of equipment on all of my characters, sometimes more, I earn plenty of gold and I still am able to kill alot of people. Some players need to learn not to rely on equipment like a crutch, 25-30k worth of equipment is plenty and on average you will end up earning alot of gold, even if you lose some at points.
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It's like that investigation game. Find the liar.
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I like it, but I don't like paying for things when I win a round D:
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I believe part of the decline in players is due to this one aspect of the game.
My opinion is this new system is flawed beyond repair.
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i like repair
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i like repair
odd since u camp alot :shock: but i too like repair, less plated chargers
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So most of you can agree that retuning (lowering) repair costs for "normal" items is needed, because it's spoiling the fun, while stuff like plated chargers or tin cans should cost enough to make you lose money in the long run (although their cost is exaggerated right now, one thing is limiting tin cans and plated chargers, another thing is removing them totally).
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Its not that I am against repair,, it just seems kinda of unbalanced and a pain in the ass. After I posted this I hit 3 5x streaks in a few hours and made enough to repair +20k. But about 10 hours of play prior to that, I was never getting more then a x3 for a round or 2 and it killed me trying to wear around 25-30k of equipment.
As it is I just think the repair skill is unbalanced - I mean what is put in the place to counter it? Grinding or getting lucky with 5x - there should be a real counter balance like "Spoils of War" 250 + bonus for the whole team for winning the round - or map or anything to help balance it
Perhaps a skill?
Anything would be better then the current counter balance, which is basically just grinding.
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on average i wear 37 000 worth of equipment and i gain very little money overtime.
To not grind as a naked peasant you just have to have a buffer of gold of at least 20 000 so you don't go down to 0 when on bad luck.
if you have trouble with the upkeep don t take loan in real life, because either you like to live above your means or you are just really bad with math.
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Putting an hard cap on equipment emphazizes on cheap OP weapons (who said "barmace" ?) or playstyles (archery) and grind to play in now ridiculously unbalanced plate armors (which they were NOT pre upkeep) a tenth of the time. Don't you think it's retarded to see people that are naked during 3 rounds then boom they take their black armor for one round :rolleyes: yay for immersion.
So yes it failed. This poll isn't far from the truth if you ask everyone that played the mod (so including those who left).
If you really thought the opinions changed, you would have done a new poll, no ?
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People wearing gear worth of 35k+ need to realize that if you have a hierloomed gear equipped, in game as well as on site the hierloomed gear costs more, but you pay the same repair as for non-hierloomed equivalent. Example, my hierloomed xbow on site as well as in game costs little over 26k, yet I still pay 873 upkeep. My gear shows it's worth 38k, in reality though, it's less than 30k, thus I'm slowly making money. If I would actually use equipment worth of 38k I would slowly lose money.
So be so kind and before posting stuff like "You easily make money while wearing 40k gear", take into consideration your looming, which artificialy increases the cost of the items.
Also, the poll is irrelevant, as it was created and most of the votes given when the upkeep was 20%(?), while now it is 5%. It tells absolutely nothing about current system, so stop making conclusions from it.
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People wearing gear worth of 35k+ need to realize that if you have a hierloomed gear equipped, in game as well as on site the hierloomed gear costs more, but you pay the same repair as for non-hierloomed equivalent. Example, my hierloomed xbow on site as well as in game costs little over 26k, yet I still pay 873 upkeep. My gear shows it's worth 38k, in reality though, it's less than 30k, thus I'm slowly making money. If I would actually use equipment worth of 38k I would slowly lose money.
So be so kind and before posting stuff like "You easily make money while wearing 40k gear", take into consideration your looming, which artificialy increases the cost of the items.
Also, the poll is irrelevant, as it was created and most of the votes given when the upkeep was 20%(?), while now it is 5%. It tells absolutely nothing about current system, so stop making conclusions from it.
You should do more research, you must be a new player. The change to upkeep only reduced it by 33%, it decreased cost from 20% to 5% but increased frequency. It's not that huge difference, in fact i need to run in a ninja outfit to make money or break even if my team is bad, i have a low/medium outfit that would allow me to keep money constant in the long run, but what's the point, where's the progression to better gear ? I'm not talking about uber gear, but something decent so you don't get 1-2 shot by some random arrows, also throwers will still oneshot even in plate, while they can stay naked/in cloth while throwing with a shield for protection.
There are no more plated chargers or 2handers in black armor. Upkeep needs to be reduced to properly play this game, masterwork weapons and the fact that a weapon is only 1 slot (so it doesn't put the equip cost through the roof), unbalances the game in favour of attack, and in favor of ranged attacks especially.
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Ok then, still 1/3 decrase in upkeep is HUGE (do the math yourself).
Also I don't know what you are wearing, but on my 1h+shield with gear worth of bit over 30k (huscarl, knightly arming sword, heraldic mail armor, great helm, mail gloves and boots) I can easily survive several arrows in the back and I'm still making money. I could wear better armor and break even. If you wanna progression to better gear, go play WoW, chadz said himself he's not trying to create a free MMO and I don't think crying on the forum you want this mod to be like one is gonna change his mind.
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There are no more plated chargers or 2handers in black armor. Upkeep needs to be reduced to properly play this game, masterwork weapons and the fact that a weapon is only 1 slot (so it doesn't put the equip cost through the roof), unbalances the game in favour of attack, and in favor of ranged attacks especially.
Given you can upkeep 10K-15K armours in most cases (unless you are some sort of expensive hybrid), and plate in some cases (with cheaper weapons)... well, truth be told it's only a problem of excessive pierce weapons which chew up any armour as if it wasn't there (see: throwing, some melee weapons with high pierce) which is made worse by heirlooming.
Of course, most people haven't gotten around to heirlooming armour yet - mostly because it's not worth it that much, of course, a good weapon is more important then good armour. But, say, a coat of plates with mail gauntlets is 56 body armour rating and you can bring it up with a silly amount of retirements up to 68 body armour - and I could upkeep that and a good melee weapon. Even 10K armours can be heirloomed up to 60ish body armour. But again... lots of retirements needed, and when you look at it so many things have high pierce values and don't care, plus mid-range throwing two shots 60ish body armour anyway.
The only place I found plate to be really useful was arrows, melee with heirloomed weapons slice it like you were wearing mail anyway.
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I can't understand what is so hard in the upkeep system. When you don't use very expensive equip. you gain gold fast and with expensive gear you lose or make just little bit gold.
And you don't even need very special equipment to be succesful, I have topped scoreboard with leather jerkin armor and 5k sword and heavy crossbow.
I have 120k gold just sitting around have bought almost every ladder etc. half a dozen diffrent armors and even more weapons.
If you want gold, play with lower tier gear. What's the problem? :shock:
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"Voting closed: January 08, 2011, 13:08:5"
What is this pointless poll still doing around here? People are linking to it to 'prove' that the patch is generally reviled amongst the cRPG community.
The upkeep has been changed since then. This is does not represent the majority of communities feelings towards the (wonderful! brilliant! perfect! :) ) patch.
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Given you can upkeep 10K-15K armours in most cases (unless you are some sort of expensive hybrid), and plate in some cases (with cheaper weapons)... well, truth be told it's only a problem of excessive pierce weapons which chew up any armour as if it wasn't there (see: throwing, some melee weapons with high pierce) which is made worse by heirlooming.
Of course, most people haven't gotten around to heirlooming armour yet - mostly because it's not worth it that much, of course, a good weapon is more important then good armour. But, say, a coat of plates with mail gauntlets is 56 body armour rating and you can bring it up with a silly amount of retirements up to 68 body armour - and I could upkeep that and a good melee weapon. Even 10K armours can be heirloomed up to 60ish body armour. But again... lots of retirements needed, and when you look at it so many things have high pierce values and don't care, plus mid-range throwing two shots 60ish body armour anyway.
The only place I found plate to be really useful was arrows, melee with heirloomed weapons slice it like you were wearing mail anyway.
Well you could heirloom black armor and heavy gauntlets for 84 body armor iirc, and still get oneshot by a str thrower :D The problem is you would lose gold constantly unless you keep the multiplier at x5 most of the time, which isn't so easy to do or realistic to think it's even possible (i succeeded only once yesterday to do that with only 20-25 people on the server, also thanks to some players trying other stuff and having just retired), also it doesn't work if there's any decent player who can take advantage of how SLOW heavy armor makes you. Against light armored high athletic guys, if i wear plate, i need to keep away because it's flawless in their favour (backpedal ftw they can run backwards faster than i can run forwards). Plate was not an absolute advantage, it trades armor for speed, so this high upkeep cost is excessive.
Raskolnikov, it proves how many players disliked repair when it came out. A portion of those players now left the game, so a new poll would be biased. I'm still here so i can live with it, but it would be more fun if it got some more balance to it.