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Title: Strength build viable?
Post by: Vexus on March 19, 2011, 11:41:30 am
So one day when I manage to get to 31 on my alt I was going to change from 21 strength 20 agility build to say:

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 27
Agility: 12

Converted: 8
Ironflesh: 6
Power Strike: 9
Athletics: 4
Weapon Master: 4

Two Handed: 139
Polearm: 8

Would this be a viable build or am I going to be gimped on the speed of swings and movement?

Additionally maybe I could use this build:

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 24
Agility: 15

Converted: 8
Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 8
Athletics: 5
Weapon Master: 5

Two Handed: 140
Polearm: 60

My alt is a mauler (A protest against all the shielders lately :D) so while damage is needed I need some movement to be able to reach backpaddling people since for some reason with 6 athletics they still manage to backpaddle faster then me sometimes.

Any suggestions on the build would be nice.
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Casimir on March 19, 2011, 11:52:38 am
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 27
Agility: 12

Converted: 8
Ironflesh: 6
Power Strike: 9
Athletics: 4
Weapon Master: 4

Two Handed: 139

Is the build i'm using on my 2h.

I also Believe its Parre's favored build when paired with his powerful iron mace.

Your just as fast as others in melee combat, and you will kill in one hit.

Spamming people isn't really possible but you cant be spammed so don't worry.

Its a really effective build so i'd say go for it.
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Vexus on March 19, 2011, 11:57:36 am
Good to know your build :D

I'm still far away from 31 need 3,296,243 more :(

Thanks cas :P
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Spawny on March 19, 2011, 04:12:54 pm
I'm going for 24/12 on my shielder. I'll let you know how it works out :P
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Vexus on March 19, 2011, 04:15:42 pm
Sure tough shield might slow you down but you will hit hard :)
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Kalam on March 19, 2011, 05:11:55 pm
So one day when I managed to get to 31 on my alt I was going to change from 21 strength 20 agility build to say:

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 27
Agility: 12

Converted: 8
Ironflesh: 6
Power Strike: 9
Athletics: 4
Weapon Master: 4

Two Handed: 139
Polearm: 8

Would this be a viable build or am I going to be gimped on the speed of swings and movement?

Additionally maybe I could use this build:

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 24
Agility: 15

Converted: 8
Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 8
Athletics: 5
Weapon Master: 5

Two Handed: 140
Polearm: 60

My alt is a mauler (A protest against all the shielders lately :D) so while damage is needed I need some movement to be able to reach backpaddling people since for some reason with 6 athletics they still manage to backpaddle faster then me sometimes.

Any suggestions on the build would be nice.

Very viable. Most of my clanmates run around with 12 agility or less. High strength builds are actually pretty common this side of the atlantic, and they do well. In my experience as a shielder, that build is great in 1 on 1 fights but suffers against multiple opponents.
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Laufknoten on March 19, 2011, 09:37:42 pm
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Would this be a viable build or am I going to be gimped on the speed of swings and movement?
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I play with a similar build at the moment (23/13-lvl29) and it's great if you are a "range and damage"-guy and don't need much speed. It's good for the Spamberge and blunt weapons, but you sure can use any other 2h. It's also no problem to take out ninmy old friends or shieldspammy old friends, you are faster then you would expect. 
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Spawny on March 19, 2011, 09:57:37 pm
I play with a similar build at the moment (23/13-lvl29) and it's great if you are a "range and damage"-guy and don't need much speed. It's good for the Spamberge and blunt weapons, but you sure can use any other 2h. It's also no problem to take out ninmy old friends or shieldspammy old friends, you are faster then you would expect.

Nice terminology. I smell elitism.

Anyway, what he meant to say is you won't get outspammed with 12 agility.
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Laufknoten on March 19, 2011, 10:24:12 pm
Nice terminology. I smell elitism.

Anyway, what he meant to say is you won't get outspammed with 12 agility.
No, it's just antipathy. My next build is gonna be a shielder, but I won't use huscarl-lolshield, lol-lightsaber-sidesword or lolpick.

And yes, you won't get outspammed but it's not the best build against dedicated german/danish greatsword player. 
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Dravic on March 19, 2011, 10:25:44 pm
And yes, you won't get outspammed but and it's not the best build against dedicated german player Phyrex wannabes
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Vexus on March 19, 2011, 10:29:08 pm
Ok thanks guys for all the information I'll be sure to try the build when I retire :D
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Paroxysm on March 19, 2011, 10:45:39 pm
I'm currently this:

Strength: 33
Agility: 9
Hit points: 68

Converted: 14
Power Strike: 11
Athletics: 3
Weapon Master: 3

Polearm: 132

Kills low armor people in one hit, high armor people in two with a gen1 bec. I'm going to be making my bec gen2 in a day which basically gives me a free level of PS, so as my bec dmg goes up I'll be swapping str for speed to maintain parity somewhat. My next build will be this:

Strength: 27
Agility: 15
Hit points: 62

Converted: 14
Power Strike: 9
Athletics: 5
Weapon Master: 3

Polearm: 132

Past 130 in WPF I think is a waste of skillpoints and I feel the extra speed from athletics is more beneficial, and with 40p on a gen2 bec 9PS will still do a ton of dmg. When I finally get a masterwork I'll probably drop to 8 or 7 PS.
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Cyclopsided on March 20, 2011, 04:34:09 am
My favorite build is definitely a strength build. 30/9.
10 PS/7 IF/ 3 WM/ 3 ATH at level 30.

Much more than simply viable.
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: DesertEagle on March 20, 2011, 09:56:34 pm
Level 30:
Strength   27   
Agility   9   

One Handed   110
Polearm   83

Ironflesh   8   
Power Strike   9   
Shield   3   
Athletics   3   
Riding   3   
Weapon master 3

+ Warhammer (Masterwork Nordic Champion optional)/Great Long Axe - almost always one-hit :)
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Vexus on March 20, 2011, 10:10:00 pm
Kinda explains why on my balanced character with no IF I died very fast from many it's like strength builds became the trend now :D
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: ThePoopy on March 20, 2011, 10:43:35 pm
str 24
agi 12

if 8
str 8
ath 4
wm 4
riding 4
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on March 20, 2011, 11:03:01 pm
I really enjoy my strength builds.

What is everyone's opinion on using ironflesh with it? Obviously, a lot of IF is a great complement to this build. But do people feel it is necessary?
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: ThePoopy on March 20, 2011, 11:06:34 pm
yes
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Vexus on March 20, 2011, 11:14:10 pm
It becomes useful when you have money but don't need to buy anything so you use heavier armor and last more alive.
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Paroxysm on March 20, 2011, 11:33:36 pm
I'd rather have another level of powerstrike than IF, personally. But I guess if your build has leftover points (which is inefficient but necessary in some builds) its a good dump, better than shield for a 2hand/polearm as I find they're not worth the massive extra weight.
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Prentyss on March 22, 2011, 03:11:37 pm
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    * Strength: 36
    * Agility: 3
    * Hit points: 93

    * Converted: 8
    * Ironflesh: 11
    * Power Strike: 11
    * Weapon Master: 1

    * Two Handed: 118


I'm trying this build at the moment. I'm lvl 26 and it's pretty funny. But i regret the point in Weapon Master, since it allows me to go from 113 to 118 wpf. I should have put it eslewhere. Next gen i'll try same build with an Heavy Great Long Bardiche (heirloomed once).
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Osiris on March 22, 2011, 03:17:53 pm
Strength 24 
Agility 15

5 IF
8 PS
5 ath
5 wpm

i use a german sword and sometimes barmace etc and i can crush through most things with a mallet. I probably should go for 12 agi but i wanted more athletics so i could run away from scary parre :P
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Leesin on March 22, 2011, 03:27:24 pm
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    * Strength: 36
    * Agility: 3
    * Hit points: 93

    * Converted: 8
    * Ironflesh: 11
    * Power Strike: 11
    * Weapon Master: 1

    * Two Handed: 118


I'm trying this build at the moment. I'm lvl 26 and it's pretty funny. But i regret the point in Weapon Master, since it allows me to go from 113 to 118 wpf. I should have put it eslewhere. Next gen i'll try same build with an Heavy Great Long Bardiche (heirloomed once).

What's the point of 36 strength if only 11 PS and 11 IF? did you mean 33 lol?
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Prentyss on March 31, 2011, 11:11:54 am
No no i meant 36 :)

But 3 more points in Force make 3 more HP and a bit more damage, since 3 agi make nothing.

And i shouldn't have put 1 pt in WM, since it gives me only 5 wpf (118 for 113) so i could have put it in PS :)


ah, and by the way, this build is totaly viable
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Spawny on March 31, 2011, 12:07:36 pm
No no i meant 36 :)

But 3 more points in Force make 3 more HP and a bit more damage, since 3 agi make nothing.

And i shouldn't have put 1 pt in WM, since it gives me only 5 wpf (118 for 113) so i could have put it in PS :)


ah, and by the way, this build is totaly viable

What he meant was that 36 str would allow 12 IF and 12 PS. You have only 11 in both.
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Casimir on March 31, 2011, 01:27:21 pm
The real str build is 36str with 11 IF and 12 PS clearly he made a mistake.
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Prentyss on March 31, 2011, 07:33:22 pm
What he meant was that 36 str would allow 12 IF and 12 PS. You have only 11 in both.

Not possible, not enough skill points. 11 / 12 or 12 / 11, because you need to turn 8 skill points in carac points 8 + 12 + 11 = 31
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Spawny on March 31, 2011, 07:39:18 pm
Not possible, not enough skill points. 11 / 12 or 12 / 11, because you need to turn 8 skill points in carac points 8 + 12 + 11 = 31

Perfectly possible, just not at level 30. Get to level 31 and Presto!

What I meant was that you could've taken the 12th rank of a skill and you didn't.
Title: Re: Strength build viable?
Post by: Prentyss on April 01, 2011, 12:51:38 am
yes that's true.

It's my first try on this build, so i won't make same error twice ;)