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Title: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Sephies on March 17, 2011, 01:09:22 pm
I really want to hear your oppinions, since the admins gets voted off because people (like in the game) just vote yes if they see a poll.. We need more admins, not less. so please stop doing that abuze forum.. The admins can handle it internal and if it dosnt work, they must get removed.. Don't let all the trolls get you!
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Tristan on March 17, 2011, 01:28:47 pm
If what you describe had actually happened I might agree with you.

But actually, very few has been nominated for vote, and those that do often make it anyway.

So I say keep it!
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Xant on March 17, 2011, 01:31:59 pm
Aw yeah, 1 admin has been removed, this is MADNESS!!!! SOON WE WILL HAZ NO ADMINS LEFT
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Sephies on March 17, 2011, 01:34:51 pm
Wow i thought we could have a mature talk here? My opinion stands. Look at how Lillith almost lost admin? i mean i have yet to see what he did wrong, and no one got proofs, but yet 50% or so voted yes..
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Xant on March 17, 2011, 01:47:51 pm
And look at how Ptx wasn't even close to getting removed?
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Sephies on March 17, 2011, 01:58:38 pm
Well why should they be close to be removed? none of them is doing wrong?
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Xant on March 17, 2011, 02:13:07 pm
According to you, anyways. The general populace though Wooki was indeed "doing wrong" and voted to remove him.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Blondin on March 17, 2011, 02:22:06 pm
So players can make mistakes (even wrong behaviour) and it's only worth a warning or a temporary ban.
But if an admin make mistakes he lost immediatly his admin power forever...?

Something wrong in there.

Sorry to say that, but it's only griefers/haters that have problems with admin, all other players thanks admin to protect them from griefers.

Admin abooze forum is needed only for a bunch of griefers.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Alex_C on March 17, 2011, 02:35:02 pm
ISPCA has got it covered.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: verinen on March 17, 2011, 02:47:09 pm
I really want to hear your oppinions, since the admins gets voted off because people (like in the game) just vote yes if they see a poll.. We need more admins, not less. so please stop doing that abuze forum.. The admins can handle it internal and if it dosnt work, they must get removed.. Don't let all the trolls get you!

I think the biggest part of trollz is in admin group.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: MrExxc on March 17, 2011, 02:48:18 pm
I've had the feeling a week or two ago that their was a massive amount of people raging on every admin and not what. Now everyone seems to have changed their mind, they all want Wooki back, I mean why the hell did we start a vote in the first place? An admin isn't your friend, he has to punish people, and you might not agree with that.
The cRPG community has to learn to trust the admins and be responsible for their actions.

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So players can make mistakes (even wrong behaviour) and it's only worth a warning or a temporary ban.
But if an admin make mistakes he lost immediatly his admin power forever...?
Hmmm, people expect to be treated right and a mistake might be hard to forget sometimes, being an admin is a tough job I reckon.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Kophka on March 17, 2011, 03:06:34 pm
The admin abuse and removal procedure can probably be worked on for streamlining/idiot prevention, but by no means should it be totally removed. Wooki is a funny guy, but IN HIS OWN WORDS, he banned people for stuff that happened outside of the game. People that he disliked personally, or people insulted him. An admins job is to enforce the rules in the game, not to arbitrarily ban people because "I don't feel he's a good member of the community". Notice that admins that do their job without letting personal feelings color their decisions didn't get removed, even though they got rage nominated. That's because no matter how low an opinion YOU have of our community, the vast majority of us are actually pretty decent human beings. This isn't 4chan, or something awful, we've got a pretty good group here, so have some faith in us, amigo. We know abuse and idiocy when we see it.  :D
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: nuffen on March 17, 2011, 05:12:06 pm
The removal of wooki was an error. Noticed how people aint unbanned in time anymore? Lots of people make threads about still being banned the day after the unban was scheduled. Why? Because you removed the one guy who cared to go through the banlist EVERY SINGLE DAY to check whos scheduled to be unbanned. Happy?

Dont give the decisions to those who have no clue what they're doing.

Also, both me and wooki got a lot of yes-votes from people who just wanted to see what happens. Shows how it doesnt work. Why not implent a proper feedback-system instead? I rarely get serious feedback from people, and the thread I made about "what to do if a guy tk" gave me a lot more useful feedback than the whole admin abuze (abuse an admin)-forum.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Zisa on March 17, 2011, 05:15:56 pm
Admin is a punishment not a privilege.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Nemeth on March 17, 2011, 06:26:45 pm
Lilith got most YESes (aside for Wooki) for simple reason. He is the most active admin. That means, there is a lot more people that rage at him for banning/kicking them and just vote yes. I for one have rarely seen for example ptx doing any admining in the last few weeks/months (mind you I'm playing on EU2 almost exclusively and by no means I'm saying he's not admining enough).
You can also see that ever since AngryScot was perma banned and hamleigh was banned se he could not comment of every single kick/ban, there are no more whining threads about " admin abooze". If the problem was in admins, the threads wouldn't stop by banning them. I'm actually pretty sure their numbers would rise. None of that happen though, so I guess the problem is somewhere else (yes, I'm looking at you, playerbase).
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: 1slander on March 17, 2011, 06:35:02 pm
Admin is a punishment not a privilege.

+1  Nobody gets trolled like an admin...nobody. 
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Mustang_Sweets on March 17, 2011, 06:46:26 pm
I have yet to see a poll go through by people just voting yes because they saw a poll. Every random poll I have seen in game has been shot down by being 25-40 % and that mean that 60-75% of people vote no. The trolls if you haven't noticed are falling and each day if you notice there are less and less of them poking their heads out from under the bridge for fear of losing their ability to play a game worth playing. This post I find useless. No offense but useless.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: 1slander on March 17, 2011, 06:53:55 pm
What you don't realize is that trolls bring a fashion and flavour to this game that keeps it from being vanilla.  Without the ying there is no yang, darkness and light...don't fight it - become it.  Be the boss.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 17, 2011, 07:07:48 pm
 /error
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: [ptx] on March 17, 2011, 08:15:02 pm
I for one have rarely seen for example ptx doing any admining in the last few weeks/months
:(
Well, actually, i haven't really been playing much, apart from some weekends, for the last 2 months or so, since i am at my unis dorm during the week. But i'd like to think that i was at least the 2nd most active admin during december/january :)
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Xant on March 17, 2011, 09:20:42 pm
The removal of wooki was an error. Noticed how people aint unbanned in time anymore? Lots of people make threads about still being banned the day after the unban was scheduled. Why? Because you removed the one guy who cared to go through the banlist EVERY SINGLE DAY to check whos scheduled to be unbanned. Happy?

Welp, that's not really... relevant. It's not that hard to hire someone who's willing to go through the banlist. Or just make cmpx (the angry catholic) force someone to do it.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Kophka on March 17, 2011, 09:26:46 pm
Once again, the removal of Wooki was simple justice. He had the complete inability to separate personal feelings from his duties. It's awesome that he donated his time to the job, and I give him karma points for giving it a try, as admins were scarce, and needed. But he was wholly unsuited to the task, and the public knew it, and I think he did too.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: nuffen on March 17, 2011, 09:28:31 pm
Welp, that's not really... relevant. It's not that hard to hire someone who's willing to go through the banlist. Or just make cmpx (the angry catholic) force someone to do it.

Ah, yes. Lets just hire someone, can we send you the bill?
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Xant on March 17, 2011, 09:30:13 pm
Ah, yes. Lets just hire someone, can we send you the bill?
Nah, judging by the admin application thread lots of people wanna do it for free?
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Teeth on March 17, 2011, 09:39:52 pm
Abooze forum is a good thing, maybe make vote requirements higher before someone gets stripped of powers, so only the really, really bad admins can get stripped.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Xant on March 17, 2011, 09:52:44 pm
Why? Why settle for bad admins and only get rid of "really, really bad" admins?
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Beleidiger on March 17, 2011, 10:01:49 pm
Were is the Problem guys you really think there are more than 50% Trolls in this Forum OMG!And for Real no single Admin Kicked/Banned more than 50% Players using this Forum!And i think if they really would act together there anyway no more than 30% at all!

I like the Idea to take in an democratic way the Adminpower from abusers than i seen a lot of Adminfails since i play this Game!


Be sure we will Vote Fair so wy Fearing a Shit when you did nothing wrong!
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: 1slander on March 17, 2011, 10:19:43 pm
I never realized admin got paid, thought it was a volunteer thing.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: nuffen on March 17, 2011, 10:21:24 pm
I never realized admin got paid, thought it was a volunteer thing.

It is, none of us get paid.

Were is the Problem guys you really think there are more than 50% Trolls in this Forum OMG!And for Real no single Admin Kicked/Banned more than 50% Players using this Forum!And i think if they really would act together there anyway no more than 30% at all!

I like the Idea to take in an democratic way the Adminpower from abusers than i seen a lot of Adminfails since i play this Game!

Be sure we will Vote Fair so wy Fearing a Shit when you did nothing wrong!

Life must be very easy for some people. Weve written tons of posts about why the polls doesnt work, and this is the response we get?
I like the idea of democracy too, but it doesnt work in this kind of games. Heres what people poll yes for:
-Thinking the admin abuses his power.
-Disagreeing with the rules the admin enforces
-Being in a clan with someone who hate the admin
-Being cats, that mean people who just polls yes because that is the most entertaining option
-Hating everyone in power, no matter how they use it.
-Ragers whos been kicked or banned and refuses to accept that what they did is wrong.
-Trolls
-Disliking the person because of playstyle
-Just seeing the person kick/ban a lot of people, and then ASUME that means the person is doing something wrong.
-Not seeing both parts in a conflict (like an admin do in spectator mode).

If 51% should be enough to demote an admin, we have to be able to garantee that ALL of the yes-voters are of the first category "thinking the admin abuses his power". Can you do that Beleidiger? Are you really that naive to think NO ONE is voting yes for those other INVALID reasons Ive listed?
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: 1slander on March 17, 2011, 10:26:01 pm
It is, none of us get paid.

I volunteer to be the first paid admin.  I vow to seperate feelings from fact, fiction from fraction, never troll or be trolled, and always promote myself as the only one allowed to speak.  I will speak over others and all in all - be the boss
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Rhade on March 18, 2011, 09:33:27 am
So players can make mistakes (even wrong behaviour) and it's only worth a warning or a temporary ban.
But if an admin make mistakes he lost immediatly his admin power forever...?

Something wrong in there.

Sorry to say that, but it's only griefers/haters that have problems with admin, all other players thanks admin to protect them from griefers.

Admin abooze forum is needed only for a bunch of griefers.

Ever heard of the saying "with great power comes great responsibility"?

Admins have supreme power, so when they fuck up with said power, they prove they aren't capable of wielding it. They're not banned from servers when stripped of this power, they can still play and be normal players LIKE EVERYONE ELSE and make mistakes and get kicked/muted or what have you, but admins shouldn't be "making mistakes," admins have too much power to make the casual sort of "mistakes" you seem to be fine with them making. No one is perfect, but admins wield an extreme amount of power and SHOULD be held to a higher standard.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Rhade on March 18, 2011, 09:34:59 am
The removal of wooki was an error. Noticed how people aint unbanned in time anymore? Lots of people make threads about still being banned the day after the unban was scheduled. Why? Because you removed the one guy who cared to go through the banlist EVERY SINGLE DAY to check whos scheduled to be unbanned. Happy?

Dont give the decisions to those who have no clue what they're doing.

Also, both me and wooki got a lot of yes-votes from people who just wanted to see what happens. Shows how it doesnt work. Why not implent a proper feedback-system instead? I rarely get serious feedback from people, and the thread I made about "what to do if a guy tk" gave me a lot more useful feedback than the whole admin abuze (abuse an admin)-forum.

Just because the guy had a good work ethic doesn't change the fact he, in his own words, banned people for outside of game matters.

One right doesn't correct a wrong, and it's a bit telling that you think it should.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: nuffen on March 18, 2011, 12:46:46 pm
The only wrong thing Ive ever seen wooki do is changing map when he shouldnt. He didnt do it often ,but it happened now and then. He also made some jokes or gave some ironic marks in admin chat that wasnt always very easy to understand.
Except this, I havent really seen him do anything wrong. Ive never seen him ban someone for the wrong reason or stuff like that.
I admit I havent seen all of his actions, and Ive openly disagreed with some of his mapchanges, but this aint at all abuses of the kind that you accuse him of. Actually, I havent seen any profs of any of his misdeeds in the admin abuse forum. And if you cant prove an admin is abusing in the abuse forum, you dont really have a strong case.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Blondin on March 18, 2011, 01:24:22 pm
Rhade, i don't watch and believe blockbuster bs, and in case of admin i rather say "with great responsibility you need some power".

And as you say, they are players like us. I guess when admin log on, the first thing he want to do is playing the game. I don't see how take care of every griefers is a supreme power, it's more a supreme lame duty.

Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Alex_C on March 18, 2011, 01:31:07 pm
Hey Rhade, there's a 'Modify' button for a reason.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Radament on March 18, 2011, 04:58:47 pm
i must admit that sometimes i press 1 or 2 like a monkey when poll showing up (while i'm fighting) , just because i hate pop ups in the internets so i hate pop ups in the warband too and i don't frickin know what i'm pressing , i just want that shi**y window go away.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Vicious666 on March 18, 2011, 08:28:38 pm
The only wrong thing Ive ever seen wooki do is changing map when he shouldnt. He didnt do it often ,but it happened now and then. He also made some jokes or gave some ironic marks in admin chat that wasnt always very easy to understand.
Except this, I havent really seen him do anything wrong. Ive never seen him ban someone for the wrong reason or stuff like that.
I admit I havent seen all of his actions, and Ive openly disagreed with some of his mapchanges, but this aint at all abuses of the kind that you accuse him of. Actually, I havent seen any profs of any of his misdeeds in the admin abuse forum. And if you cant prove an admin is abusing in the abuse forum, you dont really have a strong case.

with all respect lilith you are save for 0.2%  maybe you are not the most indicated person for talk about admin punishment. mkay ?

ps: i voted  no   on you.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: nuffen on March 18, 2011, 08:32:52 pm
ahem, 1,2%. The limit was 51%, not 50% :P

Thanks for the vote, but I should be permitted to have an opinion just because some people thinks I should not be admin. :D
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Thtb on March 18, 2011, 10:03:29 pm
Power makes mad, we have many walking examples.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Vicious666 on March 18, 2011, 11:27:47 pm
ahem, 1,2%. The limit was 51%, not 50% :P

Thanks for the vote, but I should be permitted to have an opinion just because some people thinks I should not be admin. :D

yeah but  you are spamming to much about this argument.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Rhade on March 19, 2011, 03:35:05 am
The only wrong thing Ive ever seen wooki do is changing map when he shouldnt. He didnt do it often ,but it happened now and then. He also made some jokes or gave some ironic marks in admin chat that wasnt always very easy to understand.
Except this, I havent really seen him do anything wrong. Ive never seen him ban someone for the wrong reason or stuff like that.
I admit I havent seen all of his actions, and Ive openly disagreed with some of his mapchanges, but this aint at all abuses of the kind that you accuse him of. Actually, I havent seen any profs of any of his misdeeds in the admin abuse forum. And if you cant prove an admin is abusing in the abuse forum, you dont really have a strong case.

People obviously disagree with you.

The admins I've met usually will stick up for each other and abuse power here and there because they feel entitled to lord over the second class citizens (read: normal players) that dare talk back to them. Power complexes.

Anyway, just because you didn't see him do anything wrong really doesn't matter, as you're not on 24/7.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Siiem on March 19, 2011, 09:34:06 am
People obviously disagree with you.

The admins I've met usually will stick up for each other and abuse power here and there because they feel entitled to lord over the second class citizens (read: normal players) that dare talk back to them. Power complexes.

Anyway, just because you didn't see him do anything wrong really doesn't matter, as you're not on 24/7.

Yeah, Lilith kicked me from the server ones for calling her/him/it a entrepreneur who works their own hours and contracts. It was in our mother tongue. And BOOM insta kick. I was obviously abused but no one cares about my feelings :(
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Mustikki on March 19, 2011, 11:50:58 am
no one cares about my feelings :(

I'm sure Xant still cares your feelings.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Gorath on March 19, 2011, 10:37:03 pm
This is the morning admin prayer I adhere to before logging in each day:  visitors can't see pics , please register or login


Also:  Mute button is the greatest thing in the game.  Solves so many issues without needing to resort to threats, kicks or bans.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Rhade on March 20, 2011, 02:38:50 am
This is the morning admin prayer I adhere to before logging in each day:  visitors can't see pics , please register or login


Also:  Mute button is the greatest thing in the game.  Solves so many issues without needing to resort to threats, kicks or bans.

But if you ignore someone or personally mute them, you can't act hard and get a power trip by threatening/kicking/banning them. This seems especially important to do when said player in question is beating your ass all over the map so you can recoup lost pride. If not kick/ban, HOW ADMIN?
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Duster on March 20, 2011, 08:53:54 am
But if you ignore someone or personally mute them, you can't act hard and get a power trip by threatening/kicking/banning them. This seems especially important to do when said player in question is beating your ass all over the map so you can recoup lost pride. If not kick/ban, HOW ADMIN?

You seem.... upset.....
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Rhade on March 20, 2011, 12:21:59 pm
You seem.... upset.....

I've just met only a small handful of admins out of the hundreds I've come into contact with gaming over the years who are actually worth a damn and not just power hungry fuckheads who use their power to settle personal issues. 90% of admins develop some sort of superiority complex as soon as they get their new god-like powers, and they tend to get upset after getting their asses handed to them in-game, resulting in them instigating fights so they can use their admin-powerzzz to make up for it. Hardly ever fails.

Power corrupts -- especially fat nerds on the internet.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Gorath on March 20, 2011, 07:08:34 pm
But if you ignore someone or personally mute them, you can't act hard and get a power trip by threatening/kicking/banning them. This seems especially important to do when said player in question is beating your ass all over the map so you can recoup lost pride. If not kick/ban, HOW ADMIN?

 :mrgreen:

Sometimes I think there needs to be a video tutorial on how to apply the mute function to players so that it doesn't get ignored for the big shiny Kick or Ban buttons.
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Duster on March 21, 2011, 12:17:59 am
:mrgreen:

Sometimes I think there needs to be a video tutorial on how to apply the mute function to players so that it doesn't get ignored for the big shiny Kick or Ban buttons.

 :lol:
Title: Re: So are we going to let all trolls remove admins for nothing??
Post by: Sephies on March 21, 2011, 01:58:31 pm
I didn't make this thread to make people rage on admins, so i close the thread since people can't respect it. Thanks