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Strategus => Strategus General Discussion => Topic started by: Turboflex on April 23, 2012, 03:51:07 am

Title: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: Turboflex on April 23, 2012, 03:51:07 am
Seriously, they should lose major gold or xp.

Hospitaller just got to take Yruma with 2:1 roster advantage because half the NPC mercs didn't show.
Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: BADPLAYERold on April 23, 2012, 03:58:33 am
do that and the same people just won't apply to the castle and the odds will be the same anyways.
Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: blackrose_Baron_Geoff on April 23, 2012, 03:59:23 am
I think that's a good idea make the person lose Xp / gold for a no show
Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: PikeDan on April 23, 2012, 03:59:43 am
Honestly, I'd like to see this. The victory today feels hollow, seeing as it was 2:1. There needs to be some sort of punishment for not showing up to strat battles.
Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: Turboflex on April 23, 2012, 04:20:29 am
Also I apologize to any Hospitallers I was flaming.

Nothing personal I was pissed off because of this roster thing. Gets frustrating being spawn camped and fighting 1 vs 2, 1 vs 3 for an hour.
Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: djavo on April 23, 2012, 04:21:09 am
I didnt show for  Yruma castle. SUE ME!
Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: Slamz on April 23, 2012, 09:34:16 am
There's already a system in place, to some extent...

If you don't show, you lose reliability points.  I think the game accepts people based on some formula... I don't know what the formula is but it SHOULD be biased heavily towards reliability rather than performance.  A 10 performance, 1 reliability guy isn't as good as a 2 performance, 8 reliability guy.  He's less than useless if he doesn't show up.
Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on April 23, 2012, 12:32:51 pm
That castle is a horror show to defend TBH, you would need a very organised group + a good counter siege team to hold it. Lots of easy options to attack that can't be defended unless the defenders know they need to ladder up to those spots.
Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: Turboflex on April 23, 2012, 04:42:08 pm
I wouldn't know, I was being camped in a tower the whole time, outnumbered on both sides of it if we tried to push out.

I agree it's pretty easy to get on the walls, but if it was 1:1 the attackers would at least have to fight on the walls man to man against faster spawning defenders, which would mean heavy casualties. Instead they only lost 900 tickets, taking a 2500 population castle, ending it with a flag win near the end.

It's not that there's no mercs enthusiams, lots of people would sign up for D, it's great xp. You what seems to be the equivalent of a 5x for an hour, but with no gear upkeep costs. But if someone signs up, is accepted, and doesn't show, it fucks over the whole system. That's why there needs to be harsh penalties for that, to discourage it or it completely unbalances strat and invites cheating too (getting friends to sign up for NPC defence, who never intend to show up).
Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: Turboflex on April 23, 2012, 04:49:01 pm
There's already a system in place, to some extent...

If you don't show, you lose reliability points.  I think the game accepts people based on some formula... I don't know what the formula is but it SHOULD be biased heavily towards reliability rather than performance.  A 10 performance, 1 reliability guy isn't as good as a 2 performance, 8 reliability guy.  He's less than useless if he doesn't show up.

Well if it's weighted to "performance"  than the people who actually did honour their committments and showed up got really fucked. A 1:2 k/d was a decent performance against those odds and only 2 people on the roster managed better than 1:2 scores... Most were closer to 1:3, 1:4, 1:5.
Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: Casimir on April 23, 2012, 04:55:50 pm
The battle was a joke.

Seeing as neutral castles defences can have ~90 defenders there is no reason for the castle ever to have less people.
Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on April 23, 2012, 05:26:04 pm
i agree with this proposition.
Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: Knute on April 23, 2012, 06:42:27 pm
That sucks about the turnout, these can be some of the best battles.

Maybe npc fief defenses need more hands on refereeing, like anyone could sign up for them and then an admin/dev type does a roster check-in during hour before the battle.  Hiring based on the order that you signed up first and then in the last ten minutes replacing people who didn't show with people in the duel server on standby, like when you're trying to catch a flight. 

The npc fiefs are notoriously dickish too, unhiring people after having them on the roster most of the day to replace them with a level 31+ guy that might not even show.  I don't think the AI should look at level or performance, just reliability.

Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 23, 2012, 07:15:24 pm
Well there needs to be a better system...you should have to "confirm you're online like 15 minutes before the battle if you sign up for AI.

Also making it so you're anonymous to the attackers would be nice, then people wouldn't be worried about signing up in force against an attacking faction.
Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: Turboflex on April 27, 2012, 03:30:49 pm
Hospi attack Tulga city, 25 people on defence roster no-show giving them 2:1 advantage soldier again. Over half of the no-shows are EU players BTW, why even sign up for a NA battle at 5am like that if you're iffy about making it? Defenders barely manage to avoid a couple of total spawn camps, Hospi still ends up with 2:1 kill ratio, helped by some multi-minute partial spawn camping they do achieve.

Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: Harald on April 27, 2012, 04:40:31 pm
The reliability/performance numbers are not used yet by the AI to decide who is hired, but that is the plan. The AI would mostly hire reliable people and a few good, new and maybe 1 or 2 bad too (so they can improve their numbers).
Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on April 27, 2012, 06:13:40 pm
The reliability/performance numbers are not used yet by the AI to decide who is hired, but that is the plan. The AI would mostly hire reliable people and a few good, new and maybe 1 or 2 bad too (so they can improve their numbers).

How often are the attendence and skill ratings updated, it seems like almost never.
Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: Harald on April 27, 2012, 06:22:56 pm
They should be updated hourly, but i think there is something wrong with them, need to look into it.
Title: Re: Punish people who sign up to neutral factions and don't show
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 30, 2012, 09:30:09 pm
Any Austrians willing to do basic chores for Harald so he can put in as much time to strategus as possible? Cooking, cleaning, shopping, etc?  Start up a fund and I'll donate.