cRPG
Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Kulin_ban on April 21, 2012, 08:47:37 am
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HACKED
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Don't really care because they are buncha no skillers who die anyways...
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That's retarded.
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don't care, I'm skilled enough to block this.
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I'm pretty sure no one in cprg is using macros to feint.
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I'm pretty sure no one in cprg is using macros to feint.
lol
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I'm pretty sure no one in cprg is using macros to feint.
There are people in cRPG I suspect of doing this. But that's just an handful of 2h mostly. You would recognise them if I started giving names though.
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Today mouse and keyboard can record feints, attacks, holding attacks, foot work and so on. Do you really think the 15 years old 2h heroes do their epileptic movements every time new? The slow game speed allows using recorded (for the enemy unexpected [epileptic]) moves.
So its not only about fast feinting.
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Today mouse and keyboard can record feints, attacks, holding attacks, foot work and so on. Do you really think the 15 years old 2h heroes do their epileptic movements every time new? The slow game speed allows using recorded (for the enemy unexpected [epileptic]) moves.
So its not only about fast feinting.
I don't know, recording attacks, holds and footwork seems totally useless to me. Feints are only linked to buttons and really gain a lot from being done inhumanely fast.
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I don't know, recording attacks, holds and footwork seems totally useless to me. Feints are only linked to buttons and really gain a lot from being done inhumanely fast.
There are hotkeys that give an advantage to horseman, archer or 2h/polearm in right hands, imo.
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I see no fun in it.
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Cheating ppl are a pain in the ass in all games ... I wonder what fun is it to them?
thats why my motto is odi profanum vulgus
let's hope cheaters will be banned forever
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Can't say I can recall anyone who did any absurd feinting like that in cRPG, except from Phyrex and the like when they want to.
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Atze does it from time to time.
What I would like to see is 50% chance that someone actually chops off his head while doing that retarded "feint".
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Atze does it from time to time.
What I would like to see is 50% chance that someone actually chops off his head while doing that retarded "feint".
Maybe not chop off his own head, but I would like a SLIGHT realism balance: Feint spam with large weapon and snap your own wrists, like you would IRL if you tried it in the warbands 2h grip style.
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There should be some sort of anti-macro/script system as was present in most (example) Counter-Strike tournaments and matches.
Detect any sort of macros that automates feints/attack-patterns and ban 4 life.
I don't see an issue in rebinding for example CTRL + J to something easier though and that would be the hard distinction I presume, e.g. rebinding a single command to something else is fine, it is when you suddenly bind several moves that otherwise would require you to both move your mouse several times plus use the keyboard, the macro automates something that you wouldn't be able to do otherwise and that is cheating in a game like MNB and FPS games in general (FPS would be the best to compare against).
MNB != RTS in any way and thus macros that give an edge (e.g. automated feints) should not be allowed -- IMO it is as bad as using autoblocker -- the person behind your character has to be you not multiple automated responses.
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100% agreed. Makes me sad that autoblockers sometimes get unbanned also...I just dont understand, why do you play skill based game if you are not going to do the skills yourself? Its like playing Gran Turismo and pausing each race at the start, enabling the autopilot, and then WATCHING it real time....you are better of watching an action movie, your imput is the same and the music is better...
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I just spam those retards, although I can do this shit easily in Native without macro and a simpleton $5,- mouse. While this dude in the movie was bragging on the server that he got a $150,- mouse.
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there is no macro user who can escape from good old friendly archer...
P.S. word fаgcher gets changed to my old friendcher :D
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Legit or not?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BxMDc2fCMw
I don´t use Marcos and i can do these feints on my own, so i dont know if he uses marcos or not. But the speed in native is a way higher and with the 2h native stab attack (in my opinion too fast) you can easily do these feints and its not that easy then to decide, if he makes a stab attack or a swing. But in cRPG these feints are slower and if you understand how they work, blockable and easily too counter. (If you use chambers for eg.)
I just spam those retards, although I can do this shit easily in Native without macro and a simpleton $5,- mouse.
Yep, just spam or try too chamber but good players can still block by doing these feints :P
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It's not hard to manually do quick feints like that. It *is* hard to block while you are doing them, since your screen is moving all over the place. They also aren't nearly as useful in cRPG.
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There should be some sort of anti-macro/script system as was present in most (example) Counter-Strike tournaments and matches.
Detect any sort of macros that automates feints/attack-patterns and ban 4 life.
I don't see an issue in rebinding for example CTRL + J to something easier though and that would be the hard distinction I presume, e.g. rebinding a single command to something else is fine, it is when you suddenly bind several moves that otherwise would require you to both move your mouse several times plus use the keyboard, the macro automates something that you wouldn't be able to do otherwise and that is cheating in a game like MNB and FPS games in general (FPS would be the best to compare against).
MNB != RTS in any way and thus macros that give an edge (e.g. automated feints) should not be allowed -- IMO it is as bad as using autoblocker -- the person behind your character has to be you not multiple automated responses.
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This.
+ a file scan check everytime you start up CRPG, so modified files are a no no
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+ a file scan check everytime you start up CRPG, so modified files are a no no
That from the guy with the pink arrows... HAHA!
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It's not hard to manually do quick feints like that. It *is* hard to block while you are doing them, since your screen is moving all over the place. They also aren't nearly as useful in cRPG.
Exactly. There's only a very few people who can do feints like that and block any spam attempts. 99% of people doing those kinda feints can't block.
Tobi, who's in the video, doesn't use macros. I very much doubt any good players in c-RPG do either.
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It's lolfeints not macro feints, and yes even some cRPG players succumb to the temptation on occasion, Atze and Darian for example.
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It's lolfeints not macro feints, and yes even some cRPG players succumb to the temptation on occasion, Atze and Darian for example.
The problem with cRPG nowadays is that everyone can block, everything is super slow (compare it to Native you'll agree), everyone can take 5 hits (and sometimes you die in 2 hits with Lordly tincan armor...) and your damage is very weak usually, it is fucking boring and it can end duels against noobs easy.
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Whether or not Tobi's got his feints macroed is debatable. It's much more a concern for native anyways (Just go to Nditions behold the spastic parkinson feints everyone is magically able to pull off)
Macros really aren't that effective in cRPG, where it's mostly about outranging, going for double attacks and the occasional kick/chamber.
I fought people in cRPG who openly ADMITTED having their feints macroed and they were just as blockable if you fully concentrated on not messing up (people may bitch about the snail like combat speed in cRPG but it actually comes in quite handy because macro (ab)users aren't a real problem for overall fairness in combat).
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I made a new video, check the original post or this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0K9Va0Uk-Y
Both guys pull of 5 feints at same time of 0.701 seconds. Coincidence?
I call inhuman to be able to perform right swing, and thrust consequently without error 5 times under a second.
I think you shouldn't focus so much on Tobis when trying to catch a macro user. Super fast, sure but certainly trainable to some extent and he probably plays this game like 10 hrs a day (I see him every fucking time I'm on Nditions) . I bet you can find way better examples of more obvious macros at Nditions this instant.
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Whether or not Tobi's got his feints macroed is debatable. It much more a concern for native anyways (Just go to Nditions behold the spastic parkinson feints everyone is magically able to pull off)
Macros really aren't that effective in cRPG, where it's mostly about outranging, going for double attacks and the occasional kick/chamber.
I fought people in cRPG who openly ADMITTED having their feints macroed and they were just as blockable if you fully concentrated on not messing up (people may bitch about the snail like combat speed in cRPG but it actually comes in quite handy because macro (a)busers aren't a real problem for overall fairness in combat).
The guy (in general) with macro feints does not really do them, his camera is in reality not going up and down (what you normally would await by such feints), he never loses the view to his opponent and his fingers are not busy. He just keep pressing one button on his mouse and confuses with epileptic feints the enemy, when he presses RMB he blocks while feinting, when he release the button, he makes an automatic swing. This is an advantage.
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I'm still waiting to hear some names.
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Cannot say for sure of course but the reason I doubt it's macros is that I'm an old Native duellist and remember when Tobi started duelling and seeing a gradual increase and 'improvement' of his lolfeinting over the years becoming perhaps not less spastic but at least faster and more fluid. And also from seeing so many others do it in the same period, where it regrettably found popularity.
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Tobi/Madarra, not being registered on these forums, asked me on TW to post this message from him:
I am the person in the video.
I effectively don't use macro, I only play only by clicking on my mouse. There is no coincidence with your story of five seconds feints in 0.701 seconds, it just means that you can not go faster in Mount & Blade: Warband, nobody can make more than 5 feints in 0.701 seconds according to your video. The game has these limits, furthermore if I will use macros I could not block attacks when I would do my feints, outside this is not the case. An interesting video, I can see that I have reached the maximum speed, the recompense of working long hours. In terms of my evolution, I just increased my sensitivity since I started to better ward off attacks. You can try yourself to make quick feints with better sensitivity :wink: ...
I have just a beginning of Parkinson's, that's all huhu ! :)
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The guy (in general) with macro feints does not really do them, his camera is in reality not going up and down (what you normally would await by such feints), he never loses the view to his opponent and his fingers are not busy. He just keep pressing one button on his mouse and confuses with epileptic feints the enemy, when he presses RMB he blocks while feinting, when he release the button, he makes an automatic swing. This is an advantage.
^This. The primary advantage here is that your camera isn't bouncing all over the place; allowing you to maintain focus and movement direction whilst confusing your opponent with inhumanly quick feint-spam. Definitely cheating.
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I made a new video, check the original post or this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0K9Va0Uk-Y
NOTE: To count the feints your self, keep watching red guy's head jerking.
Both guys pull of 5 feints at same time of 0.701 seconds. Coincidence?
I call inhuman to be able to perform right swing, and thrust consequently without error 5 times under a second.
You are moving your mouse way too far, and you are focusing too much on precision. You barely have to move your mouse at all to control your swing direction, and you only have to be accurate to within +/- 45 degrees.
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It's actually possible. The spear in the first video is actually a easy thing to do, as it only has one attack direction. As for the others, it is theoretically possible if the person had a high enough mouse sensitivity and good timing.
I really don't see it having much of an effect if it is happening, most good players can do better without it. I'm more worried about the horse archers I see who have impeccable aim and machine-like movements...
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I was just playing around in the duel server, throwing out the occasional lolfeint. I was fully able to do them as fast as Tobi there. I still can't block worth a damn while doing them, but that's just a matter of practice (I normally go for feints that disrupt the flow of combat, rather than ones that are just straight up difficult to block).
Also, there are a fair number of players I know in the native duel servers who can lolfeint well, and I would be honestly surprised if they used macros.
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Not sure why but I haven't thought about this until I read this thread, which is surprising. I am now almost 100% positive I have seen people doing this in cRPG. Don't remember names, but it was on the duel server.
I had just been told that people do "feint patterns" or "feint routine" or something like that, where they do 2 right feints, a left feint, a thrust feint, and then their real attack, and that's their style, the strategy being when somebody gets used to it they can mix it up or release a swing anytime, and subconsciously, it's harder to react. BUT, I saw somebody doing three different routines (he was dueling me repeatedly lol) and when I figured out that he did right + left + thrust he had 3 more feints, right + right + left 1 more feint, etc.. and was able to kill him 4 times in a row, at which point he stopped accepting. He probably repeated the exact same chain of feints, with no reaction to what I was doing, other than to (attempt) a block. A real, skilled player, would have easily chambered in place of a block, or mixed up the rotation/routine with a real swing somewhere in that chain since I was blocking in the wrong directions until the attack I was expecting.
E: Also, being familiar with macro programs, they can be very advanced, nearly impossible to automatically detect, (unfortunately) due to the addition of random elements. It's actually fairly easy to get around the common programs like PunkBuster. Most, and the ones that I assume most WB/cRPG cheaters use, would probably be very easily detectable however.
E:E: oh yeah, OP, you don't have to click in those boxes, just a small zig-zag going down to the corner of the screen would be enough. Right, down, right, down. etc. going diagonally is probably counter-productive since it would be harder to accurately get a side-swing or thrust when you were trying for one.
It's also not really about "fun" I don't really know what it's about. I knew a guy (Friend of my brother) who aimbotted in TF2, and several of them (3 - 4?) used the infrared skins (which are legal wallhacks essentially) and they didn't care. Dude who aimbotted actually got his steam account banned repeatedly, he just paid more money and got his account unlocked every time. I think it has something to do with trolling, like, HAHAHA I just owned that guy who is good, he thinks I'm good but it's hacks! I will never admit it though!
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I do think there are cRPG players using macros, but telling names are just retarded.
I'm also sure the players doing this stuff should not feel totally safe about their characters and rep.
This stuff is detectable, (I can immediately think of one way) and knowing the mad coding skills of certain members of the dev team, AND we know that they record stuff silently, then like going for ban-waves.
Would be interesting to see a video of someone performing those moves manually though.
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What's the name of the song used in the original video?
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Those feints are legit. On fastest native you can pull some crazy fast feints, you just need practice. You can do the same in cRPG, but you won't do it as fast, as cRPG is slower.
Have not yet found a feinter in cRPG who was that fast with feints that I couldn't read him at all.
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You don't need to read them at all. Just smash them to the face with something...
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Well if they do it manually, without macros then it's fair enough if I'm not able to anticipate their hit and get slashed/stabbed. Isn't that pretty much the point in this game, right?
As Vibe said I haven't yet met a dude who feints so fast that I can't read his play. I really have no idea how effective macros would be in cRPG, but considering lower fighting speed it is less than in native yes.
Well I never understood the mindset of cheaters anyhow... Why to waste countless amounts of time making macros/cheats and learn to play with them when you could just play the game and learn it the right way, have the balls of steel and no one could say anything to you :wink:
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Such macros can be made in about 5 minutes SoO.
Also, dueling in cRPG is already boring enough. Most of the duels last till someone gets bored or a kickslash happens. I welcome those crazy feints.
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9 clicks per second and I wasn't really trying. Also mind that left mouse and right mouse can be pressed in a much faster succession than left mouse and left mouse.
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I'll try to shoot a vid of native and cRPG with feinting, although I'm a bit rusty on 2h feints since I'm 1h. Also it helps to have a low ping.
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Tese people claim that in under a second they can:
- click left mouse button 5 times (to start attack)
- click right mouse button 4 times (to cancel attack)
- move mouse in around 45-90 degree |-- like movement
- all while keeping eye on the opponent, being ready to block
Why are you clicking your left mouse button? Hold it down, and only release it when you're going to attack.
The only reason to release your left mouse button for a feint is to let your swing go part way though (which can make for good feints, but isn't part of the thrust-right-thrust-right feint).
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- click left mouse button 5 times (to start attack)
lol?? who does that?! i just hold down left mouse and then use the right mouse button to block.. the right mouse button is of greater priority so you can hold both buttons down and be blocking.
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best rate in a given second 11
But cprg is not fast enough for 10 clicks or more a second to be even be effective.
That said, if players are using macros for click speed or mousemapping, who cares? Thats what we got archers for :D