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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Haze_The_Hobo on April 20, 2012, 01:02:17 pm

Title: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: Haze_The_Hobo on April 20, 2012, 01:02:17 pm
I think few weapons should be changed to uncouchable, these items are:

Heavy Lance, Light Lance, Lance.

Reason?

They are too long to be used as couchable, since there is no handle attached to them. These weapons would slip right out of your hand if you tried to couch or they would break at the tip of the weapon.

Imo only Great Lance and Jousting Lance type weapons, with a proper handle for couching should be having this ability.

Since removing couching ability from these 3 weapons would nerf lancer cav, they should get improved lances without couchable properties and new weapons only for couching also (no thrust).

Here are pictures to make you see the flaw:

Great Lance with handle:
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Jousting Lance with handle:
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Lance without handle:
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Heavy Lance without handle:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: Ganner on April 20, 2012, 01:17:55 pm
No.
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: Vibe on April 20, 2012, 01:19:13 pm
Nope, also http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,69.0.html
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: Mlekce on April 20, 2012, 01:34:46 pm
I don't see that ppl use couching anymore,it isn't safe at all unless enemy is noob or it is totaly unaware of your presence.
Your argument about couching is totaly stupid. But i can agree in one thing,couched kills are very lame.
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: Haze_The_Hobo on April 20, 2012, 01:37:57 pm
Quote from: Mlekce on April 20, 2012, 01:34:46 pm
I don't see that ppl use couching anymore,it isn't safe at all unless enemy is noob or it is totaly unaware of your presence.
Your argument about couching is totaly stupid. But i can agree in one thing,couched kills are very lame.

I just want devs to specify certain weapons with couching ability. There is nothing lame in the kills, it is easily dodged, it is just not fit for certain lances, i.e. Heavy Lance or Lance, since they are not designed for that.
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: Ronin on April 20, 2012, 01:49:46 pm
Quote from: Mlekce on April 20, 2012, 01:34:46 pm
I don't see that ppl use couching anymore,it isn't safe at all unless enemy is noob or it is totaly unaware of your presence.
Your argument about couching is totaly stupid. But i can agree in one thing,couched kills are very lame.
Couching stil has it's own benefits and it is certainly not lame. The thing is, with high AGI lancer builds couching is an extremely useful weapon. Remember it can not be blocked.
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: _Tak_ on April 20, 2012, 02:02:33 pm
Quote from: Von_Hazaa on April 20, 2012, 01:37:57 pm
i.e. Heavy Lance or Lance, since they are not designed for that.

Where is my MW light lance?
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: Spanish on April 20, 2012, 09:27:49 pm
Haha taking out he couch would just be annoying if I wanted to bust a shield. Your forgetting dropping a lance to couch with those three is really risky as they don't have the length of the great lance. If anything they should just break after the first time you couch them as they see designed to shatter in impact. Meh just another nerf cav thread
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 20, 2012, 09:35:38 pm
Spanish you're thinking jousting lances were meant to break on impact...not regular lances used in combat.

http://www.medievalwarfare.info/weapons.htm#lances

While it could still be generally classified as a spear, the lance tends to be larger - usually both longer and stouter and thus also considerably heavier, and unsuited for throwing, or for the rapid thrusting, as with an infantry spear. Lances did not have spear tips that (intentionally) broke off or bent, unlike many throwing weapons of the spear/javelin family, and were adapted for mounted combat. They were often equipped with a vamplate, a small circular plate to prevent the hand sliding up the shaft upon impact. Though perhaps most known as one of the foremost military and sporting weapons used by European knights, the use of lances was spread throughout the Old World wherever mounts were available. As a secondary weapon, lancers of the period also bore swords, maces or something else suited to close quarter battle, since the lance was often a one-use-per-engagement weapon; after the initial charge, the weapon was far too long, heavy and slow to be effectively used against opponents in a melee.

Because of the stopping power of a thrusting spear, it quickly became a popular weapon of footmen in the Late Middle Ages. These eventually led to the rise of the longest type of spears ever, the pike. Ironically, this adaptation of the cavalry lance to infantry use was largely tasked with stopping lance-armed cavalry charges. During the 15th, 16th and 17th centuries, these weapons, both mounted and unmounted, were so effective that lancers and pike men not only became a staple of every Western army, but also became highly sought-after mercenaries.
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: Spanish on April 20, 2012, 09:40:44 pm
Really? That's news to me I just assumed with the speed of the impact that holding on to a lance like that would rip your arm off so they made them to shatter instead
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: zagibu on April 20, 2012, 09:44:19 pm
Which is much better, because shattering wood is perfectly safe, especially if it's bent until it shatters.
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: Spanish on April 20, 2012, 10:01:30 pm
The wood shattering isnt lethal for the rider as the force isnt going in that direction and they wore armor just in case they might get splinters
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: zagibu on April 21, 2012, 02:32:01 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1351018/Jouster-Paul-Allen-killed-lance-splinter-Time-Team-enactment.html
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: BlindGuy on April 21, 2012, 02:38:19 am
the OP needs to go and research Cataphrac.

The first superefficient lancers, developed the couch, and were also horse archers. What bosses.
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: Aleskander on April 21, 2012, 10:42:46 pm
No, you have it all wrong

Lances should ONLY be able to couch
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: //saxon on April 21, 2012, 11:09:42 pm
this game isnt about realism but...i voted yes anyway because cav is soo fucking OP!
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: mos11charlie on April 22, 2012, 03:39:36 pm
No.
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: Rebelyell on April 22, 2012, 03:49:41 pm
stupid nerf cav sugestions should be reward with mute on forum


no

why???

because you have no fukin idea how lancers fought in the past and how fucked up that system is for cav what we have now
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: Herkkutatti on April 22, 2012, 05:02:10 pm
yes.
Title: Re: Cavalry weapons.
Post by: BlindGuy on April 25, 2012, 07:11:13 am
Quote from: Herkkutatti on April 22, 2012, 05:02:10 pm
yes.

Why is that girl in your avatar wearing a wig?