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Title: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Chaffee on April 14, 2012, 07:05:27 pm
So yea I'm still basically brand new to this mod (mainly a MM player) and with that I'm so used to following the magic MM method of stab, counter stab, profit. System of melee that I'm at a complete disadvantage to everyone else in melee for this mod. But with that saying I'm good at a constant attack some may call it spam but I call it winning lol and while I'm good at attacking and keeping the other guys constantly blocking, I myself can not block for my life. But with that short little explanation I was wondering if you guys could give me a good build that is based on footwork and just a constant attack (I tried having a build focus on two hands and power strikes, it would hit like a truck but it was so slow and I couldn't fight more then two people at once), something that always keeps the other guy blocking and where if I'm outnumbered I can make a quick escape.


Also this is somewhat off topic of the post but I was wondering how do you join a group/clan/regiment/club/etc. in the mod? I know in MM you could post an app on the groups website or they try to recruit you in the server but I don't notice that on here.


Thanks for any answers you guys give me,
Chaffee
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: engurrand on April 14, 2012, 07:10:03 pm
Check out the "faction hall" thread to join a clan..

It's "down there" in the "middle lower part" of the web page.

Sexy stuff..

To get good at blocking you have to go through the gates of hell and stay foever wandering towards Satans THRONE OF COLD
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Mlekce on April 14, 2012, 07:13:31 pm
there are topic on top of bigginer section that say builds,check it out.
Clan threads are in strategus part of forum,faction halls,first 3 pages are active clans,after that are inactive.
For practising blocking go in native,and pick that tutorial how to fight and there you have different opponents to fight. After that you come in crpg and practice.
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Zandieer on April 14, 2012, 07:59:00 pm
For your build, I'd say

    * Strength: 21
    * Agility: 18
    * Hit points: 62

    * Skills to attributes: 8

    * Ironflesh: 4
    * Power Strike: 7
    * Shield: 0
    * Athletics: 6
    * Riding: 0
    * Horse Archery: 0
    * Power Draw: 0
    * Power Throw: 0
    * Weapon Master: 6

    * One Handed: 1
    * Two Handed: 156
    * Polearm: 1
    * Archery: 1
    * Crossbow: 1
    * Throwing: 1

Joining a clan is at the Faction Halls, and if you're looking for a easy going clan, keep a look out for SoA :mrgreen:

Blocking, well, that you just have to train. I'd say that you go Native, make your own MP server, set one bot to the enemy team, and then just block block block block him till you get hang of it. Spam may be viable, but usually you need to block to life long :wink:

Also, there's few polearm weapons which are just like MM bayonet, the pitch fork, the awlpike, so you could also try to use them on an alt or something. And prefer siege for the first few times you play. You can respawn there a lot quicker, and there's generally not so good players there, syo you can even enjoy it :D
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: callahan9119 on April 14, 2012, 08:12:14 pm
Are the points worse in siege? I find I get xp a lot quicker in battles.
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Chaffee on April 14, 2012, 08:18:21 pm
the 1x and etc. builds up a lot faster in battle but in seige its slower.
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: [ptx] on April 14, 2012, 08:23:48 pm
There is no such thing as a build that will let you attack constantly. You can try and spam with any build and people will be able to return attacks, if they don't mess up. Closest thing you can get to it, though, is getting high athlethics and a long polearm, such as a glaive or a long hafted blade and spam that, whilst backpedalling.
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Zandieer on April 14, 2012, 08:29:52 pm
Are the points worse in siege? I find I get xp a lot quicker in battles.

In siege, the x changes rarely to x4 or x5, and usually if you get x3, it drops to x1 the next round. I only suggested siege because of the faster respawn, and the lack of super skillful players :)
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Chaffee on April 14, 2012, 08:48:22 pm
There is no such thing as a build that will let you attack constantly. You can try and spam with any build and people will be able to return attacks, if they don't mess up. Closest thing you can get to it, though, is getting high athlethics and a long polearm, such as a glaive or a long hafted blade and spam that, whilst backpedalling.


eh well I meant something that really relies on the other player to be good at blocking if this makes any sense basically something that can get in a persons face and just force them to focus a lot more then they would normally have to..*again sorry if I'm wishing for something that isn't possible lol*
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Jarlek on April 14, 2012, 08:49:35 pm

eh well I meant something that really relies on the other player to be good at blocking if this makes any sense basically something that can get in a persons face and just force them to focus a lot more then they would normally have to..*again sorry if I'm wishing for something that isn't possible lol*
Steel pick, no shield, high wpf and athl. You got to be very good at blocking yourself, though.
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Mallets on April 14, 2012, 08:55:32 pm
As far as a quick striking (spam) build... 2-Hander is actually great.  But you'll need to go an Agility Build, where you have more Athletics & Weapon Master (i.e. Weapon Proficiency) over Power Strike & Iron Flesh (i.e. Hit Points).

Check out these builds,

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or

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I personally use Build #2.  It has more HP (Iron Flesh) but less WPF in 2-Handed (cause less Weapon Master).

But for a spammer, I'd think Build #1 would be better.  It's only down side is that it's a little low on the HP side.  And if you want to be quick, you should only wear light or medium armor... so you won't be able to greatly rely on your armor to survive.

What that means is... you'll have to learn to block!  But in truth, to be good with any class or any style... blocking is essential.  With that said, having quick feet and quick swings will certainly help (especially once you learn to block).  On top of it all... having such quick swings... you'll at least get some kills while your trying to learn to block.  I know it can get frustrating.  I've only played for about a month.  About a week ago, I was playing, and all of a sudden, the game seemed to slow down.  I could actually see swings coming and block them.  Now don't get me wrong, I still suck... still die a lot... and still have a long way to go.  But I've seen progress... and it came all at once.  As if there's steps... or phases... to the learning process.


Lastly let's talk about your 2-Handed weapon selection... a key to spamming (along with footwork).  Most spammers tend to go with the Katana.  It's the fastest 2-Hander.  However, if you're like me, you don't want to look like an out of place Medieval knight carrying around a Samurai sword.  So your other two options for speed are the Longsword or Heavy Bastard Sword (HBS).  Really not much difference in these weapons.  Check them out for yourself in the shop.  Almost identical stats.  And in truth, both are decently cheap (mid-ranged price for 2-Handers).  Buy both, and see which on you like best.

There's other 2-Handed options as well.  The Danish Greatsword is probably the most popular (it's what I use).  So folks really like the German GS.  I've heard it has animations that are harder to pick up (but I've never used it).  Both of these (along with all GS's) have much great reach and damage than the LS or HBS.  But at the cost of speed.  So the GS's may not be for you.  If you do like them... also look at the Highland Claymore and the Sword of War (other popular GS's).

Lastly you have the Flamberge.  Huge GS.  Slowest, but greatest reach and damage.  And you can't sheath it (meaning you can't put it on your back).  But that shouldn't be an issue, as you'll be a dedicated 2-Hander.  Being so slow, it's probably not for you.  But if somehow you could spam it... I'd think you'd be bad news!!!



Hope this helps you Chaffee!
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Chaffee on April 14, 2012, 10:08:22 pm
Wow thanks for the info mallet ^_^ I think I'm going to do this

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    Strength: 16
    Agility: 19
    Hit points: 61

    Ironflesh: 5
    Power Strike: 5
    Shield: 6
    Athletics: 6
    Riding: 3
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 6

    One Handed: 6
    Two Handed: 156
    Polearm: 1
    Archery: 5
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1

with my armor and weapons being

Black lamellar Vest
Light Strange War Mask
Strange Greaves
Wisby Gauntlets


Katana
NoDachi


With that build I'll still have the speed and I can still hit like a truck (somewhat)



Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Cyclopsided on April 15, 2012, 01:04:25 am
Wow thanks for the info mallet ^_^ I think I'm going to do this

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    Strength: 16
    Agility: 19
    Hit points: 61

    Ironflesh: 5
    Power Strike: 5
    Shield: 6
    Athletics: 6
    Riding: 3
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 6

    One Handed: 6
    Two Handed: 156
    Polearm: 1
    Archery: 5
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1

with my armor and weapons being

Black lamellar Vest
Light Strange War Mask
Strange Greaves
Wisby Gauntlets


Katana
NoDachi


With that build I'll still have the speed and I can still hit like a truck (somewhat)
You'll respec out of that build fast.
16/19? Poorly optimized. Multiples of three, multiples of three.
If you're going to do that, go 18/18, you're cutting yourself short a power strike for no reason with what you currently have.

tbh I'd use the 18/21 that mallet listed second if it were me, and only right swing with the flamberge, hahaha.
I actually have a 21/21 character that does that right now.
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on April 15, 2012, 01:28:38 am
I'd advise using an awlpike, might feel more familiar if you liked jookin people with a bayonet.
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Mlekce on April 15, 2012, 02:31:16 am
Wow thanks for the info mallet ^_^ I think I'm going to do this

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    Strength: 16
    Agility: 19
    Hit points: 61

    Ironflesh: 5
    Power Strike: 5
    Shield: 6
    Athletics: 6
    Riding: 3
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 6

    One Handed: 6
    Two Handed: 156
    Polearm: 1
    Archery: 5
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1

with my armor and weapons being

Black lamellar Vest
Light Strange War Mask
Strange Greaves
Wisby Gauntlets


Katana
NoDachi


With that build I'll still have the speed and I can still hit like a truck (somewhat)





6 shield. 3 riding. 2h :lol: Are you fucking serious? Choice of gear is terrible too.

do 18/21 build. 6 power strike,6 iron flesh,5 wm in 2h,rest in athletic.
Gear light kuyak or haumbergeon for body,boots whatever you like they are fucking cheap,mail mittens,bascinet or something in that price range,and get great sword or sword of war. Or get war cleaver or longsword if you don't have money for this long swords.
Katana is badbecause it bounce of heavy and medium armor so you will not be able to kill anyone. Nodachi don't have stab,and stab is something you need to have. War cleaver don't have tab but dmg it deal is so badass.
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Vodner on April 15, 2012, 01:37:11 pm
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do 18/21 build. 6 power strike,6 iron flesh,5 wm in 2h,rest in athletic.
That would leave you with 6 ath at level 30 (drop 1 WM, or 1 IF).
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Akynos on April 15, 2012, 04:59:26 pm
First and foremost, follow the advice of the previous answers, that is to go native and train your block. It is ESSENTIAL. You will not be able to fight correctly until you learn how to block properly.


If you started off MM, you better get used to Crpg by starting with a polearm character.You can then use your experience with stabs, although you will have to learn to block : There is no class, no build, no equipment that can allow you to survive by relying only on spam. Sure, you might get some kills, but as soon as you face a decent player, you're toast.
That said, forget your 16/19 build. It's plain horrible. You won't stand a chance.Always use builds that are multiples of three, like 15/24,21/18, 36/3, nothing else.
So here is what I suggest:

24/15

5 IF
8PS
5 ATH
5 WM

148 WPF Polearm

Some may argue that this build is not agi-focused enough,and well I am a supporter of strength builds for many reasons. But my argument for you is that on MM, you are used to one-shotting people with a stab, so you'll want to get close to that. You will want to hit hard when you strike, and sometimes 7 PS doesn't cut it. 15 agi is enough to keep you going, no need for more, because your swing speed will be good enough, so will be your running speed.
Thats for the build. As for armor, there are a few choices, depending on your preference. However, my best suggestion ( as a strength supporter) would be heavy armor => You can take quite a pounding, and as a newbie, you don't want to die suddenly because you misjudged the reach of a weapon.Forget the worry about speed, you will still be fine.Make sure you've got spare glod though.

Otherwise, you can have light armor, you'll die more easily, but of course you are faster in every way.Your call.

As for weapons, well as I said, polearm should fit you.The best for a thrust tactic are awlpikes for close melee, and spears for first line support. If you want to have the side attacks, hafted blade, glaive, bardiche and poleaxes are my choice.These are also up to you.

good luck !
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Teeth on April 15, 2012, 05:09:05 pm
Just bite the bullet and learn blocking.

Oh and for joining clans, theres the faction halls section on this forum which holds all the clan threads. Pretty much all of the clans are recruiting, so just browse through the threads or look ingame which clan you like and then just read in the clan thread how you can join. Some just require you to make a post in the thread, others have seperate forums.

Joining a clan is a the quickest way to learn how to play this mod, you'll be able to ask lots of questions and theres bound to be someone that wants to give you some sweet 1 on 1 training.
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Chaffee on April 15, 2012, 05:55:13 pm
Again thanks for all the help (I will discard that build I came up with :lol: ) I'll go with one of the builds posted and on the last post I joined a duel server I know native helps but I went to the duel servers to get used to the different characters I would be playing where as native its just linear only based on the equipment in cRPG there is varying speed's strengths etc. and a person was kind enough to help me with blocking and I came close to beating him at one point but now I'm lasting much longer in melee then I have been and just food for thought he had I think a 36/3 build so he was basically one hitting me on any strike I wasn't able to block. I don't know whats different about that but I think it helps more with thinking "ok if I get hit once I die, so I better block or else".



Anyways once again thanks for all the help all ^_^
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Allers on April 15, 2012, 05:59:04 pm
This should be your forum avatar Chaffee

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Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Cup1d on April 15, 2012, 06:20:51 pm
Gear light kuyak or haumbergeon for body,boots whatever you like they are fucking cheap,mail mittens,bascinet or something in that price range,and get great sword or sword of war. Or get war cleaver or longsword if you don't have money for this long swords.
Katana is badbecause it bounce of heavy and medium armor so you will not be able to kill anyone. Nodachi don't have stab,and stab is something you need to have. War cleaver don't have tab but dmg it deal is so badass.

You mean that katana bounce more than longsword? It's... interesting...
Not sure that unbalanced warcleaver is better than nodachi. Especially for newcomer.
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Chaffee on April 15, 2012, 06:28:10 pm
This should be your forum avatar Chaffee

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Well my steam profile varies from this

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to this

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although in the MM regiment I'm in everyone say's coffee because no one can agree on how to pronounce my name (its a french surname meaning attack briskly or have anger) so I may just choose a cup of coffee as it. Not sure though...
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on April 16, 2012, 01:21:33 am
You mean that katana bounce more than longsword? It's... interesting...
Not sure that unbalanced warcleaver is better than nodachi. Especially for newcomer.

I think he's talking about the stabs, I think.
Title: Re: So I'm needing some help with basically everything i.e. cRPG
Post by: MrShine on April 16, 2012, 05:20:10 am
I suggest this build:
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..using an awlpike or long awlpike as your primary weapon (polearm).
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As others mentioned these both play very similarly to bayoneted muskets in M&M so you might already have a decent fighting style you can adapt into this weapon. You will also be fast with this build and should be able to run in, poke, and run out if played right (not always possible but against short 1 handers and stuff you should be ok).

Really though learning blocking will be mandatory.  Melee skills are waaaay better in cRPG than M&M, so expect a much tougher average enemy than what you're used to.  You will get involved in a lot of longer skirmishes with players, and while you might be able to duck and weave a few times you'll be destroyed if your blocking isn't up to par.

Starting your first gen as a shielder isn't a bad idea either because it helps give you the feel for melee combat positioning.  I recommend 21/15 build at 30 if you do this (7 IF, 7 PS, 5 shield, 5 athletics, 5 wm), but if you have that side of things down skip it and try to learn blocking.

Good luck!