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Title: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: RandomDude on April 10, 2012, 02:53:29 pm
I just became really uninterested in strat lately. It's not even because we dont have a village any more. I was looking forward to being raiders. It would be more fun - more battles, less sitting in fiefs crafting.

But... I just cant be arsed. There's no motivation for me to log in.

I know other clans/ppl feel the same and have given up way before this but just how many people actually bother now?
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Vibe on April 10, 2012, 02:55:51 pm
I just do an occasional battle here and there, tbh did about 3 total this strat :D
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Freland on April 10, 2012, 03:03:28 pm
I played Strat 3 for the first two weeks and then came to the conclusion that it is totally flawed and boring and not worth the time. Still it's nice to read about it  :)
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: dodnet on April 10, 2012, 03:04:29 pm
I just make some money on strat and sell it for cRPG gold by sitting in a town, working and selling it in the same place. I lost the motivation long ago. Strat is boring.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Herkkutatti on April 10, 2012, 03:05:19 pm
Been Raiding since Strat 3 started.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Garem on April 11, 2012, 05:45:07 am
I played Strat 3 for the first two weeks and then came to the conclusion that it is totally flawed and boring and not worth the time. Still it's nice to read about it  :)

hahaha this is so true
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Slamz on April 11, 2012, 06:33:38 am
Still playing, but the primitive UI is getting me down: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,29320.0.html

People calling for a reset are silly, by the way.  You reset AFTER you make a lot of major updates.  Resetting now would be silly.

My impression is they basically gave up on developing Strategus.  Lost interest, maybe.  I mean it took, what, 3 months between the time chadz said they were cutting crafting costs and finally doing it?  And I think that was the last major strat update.

Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on April 11, 2012, 10:24:11 am
My impression is they basically gave up on developing Strategus.  Lost interest, maybe.  I mean it took, what, 3 months between the time chadz said they were cutting crafting costs and finally doing it?  And I think that was the last major strat update.

:(

The mod has been running for 2 yearsish now. Maybe the devs have just lost the energy to deal with it(us).
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: DarkFox on April 11, 2012, 03:35:23 pm
Would be nice to know will stategus get some updates in the future.

My impression is they basically gave up on developing Strategus.  Lost interest, maybe.  I mean it took, what, 3 months between the time chadz said they were cutting crafting costs and finally doing it?  And I think that was the last major strat update.

If this happened there is just no any sence for me  to play warband.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Harald on April 11, 2012, 05:25:32 pm
"We" are still working on strategus v2 (=same functionality but improved UI + cleaned up code base). Progress slowed down because i got tired of it after working on it alone for months. We got a new dev member recently (MrIlluminati) that wants to work only on strategus, so we will see how that works out.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 11, 2012, 05:33:35 pm
yeah it seemed like it was seeing little progress lately (haven't seen many comments from dev's in either strategus general or issues forums for going on 6 months now).

There's a shit ton of good suggestions for improving strat, but if you don't have a lot of dev's working on it, then i can see why it's been slow going seeing updates/progress. 

any way you can convince the other dev's to leave c-rpg alone and focus on strategus (crpg is pretty well balanced in anyone's viewpoint, the only ones bitching still are people too dumb to figure out teamplay and tactics).

i still like playing in strat battles, and we are still "playing the game" in the steppes.  but it seems like it's basically completely peaceful in like 90% of the map.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Harald on April 11, 2012, 05:44:08 pm
There are no other devs doing any serious website/backend work (areas where most of strategus v2 happens) besides me and now MrIlluminati. I'm reading all the suggestions and keeping an eye on them, but #1 priority is to get rid of the old strategus code, then we can start thinking about/implementing new features. I hope that once this heavy lifting is done there will be more dev activity again in these areas.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 11, 2012, 05:58:45 pm
If I could even do basic scripting without having to google every time I need to edit VB Script I'd certainly volunteer my time.

If there's anything a technical person can do to help with besides coding I'd be more than willing to help, but I'm guessing it's programming that is needed.

Also I'm pretty sure there's 100's of people who love the idea of strategus that if they could help at all they would.  I know there's a lot of programmers in the community.  If it's just a matter of manpower, and you can delegate the tasks to other people without slowing down your progress, just ask and I'm sure you'll get a lot of offers.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Tomas on April 11, 2012, 06:32:32 pm
"We" are still working on strategus v2 (=same functionality but improved UI + cleaned up code base). Progress slowed down because i got tired of it after working on it alone for months. We got a new dev member recently (MrIlluminati) that wants to work only on strategus, so we will see how that works out.

Glad to hear you at least are still working on Strat and its good that you have some help now.   If I could help I would, but my only programming knowledge is based on a basic C++ programming course I did 6 years ago at Uni :( If there's a boring non-skilled task that needs doing though, then i'm your man :D
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Harald on April 11, 2012, 07:49:55 pm
We are still looking for php coders (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,22710.0.html). We had a few candidates but most gave up pretty fast. The only non-coding task i can think of right now is improving the location areas for the strategus map. I did them first in photoshop but that turned out to be the wrong tool for that job (outlines overlapping, not "jagged" enough). If someone wants to help with that and knows Inkscape (http://inkscape.org/) (or wants to learn it, quite easy) let me know.

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Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Jarlek on April 11, 2012, 08:25:04 pm
Sometimes I hate not being able to code and being crap with photoshop and the like :(
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Tomas on April 11, 2012, 08:44:36 pm
Sometimes I hate not being able to code and being crap with photoshop and the like :(

I've always found that it is easiest to learn when you have a goal to work towards when learning.  However my own projects are always far too ambitious and therefore doomed to failure, whilst it would be unfair to try and tag along on someone elses project since I have nothing to offer in return for learning the ropes with them :(
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Thovex on April 11, 2012, 08:50:19 pm
I've always found that it is easiest to learn when you have a goal to work towards when learning.  However my own projects are always far too ambitious and therefore doomed to failure, whilst it would be unfair to try and tag along on someone elses project since I have nothing to offer in return for learning the ropes with them :(

Same.  :(
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Rebelyell on April 11, 2012, 09:10:03 pm
soo is there aany easy way tohelp you???
what is the proplem or task to do maybe someone will abel to help you.

I was doing c++ and some websides long time but i wasn't good at it
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Olwen on April 11, 2012, 11:07:52 pm
what is this, I don't even ...
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Tanken on April 11, 2012, 11:11:34 pm
Since KUTT got into Strategus so late in this season, we're just now somewhat caught up with the rest of NA clans, mind you, most of them have been in some sort of war or conflict that has set them back but aside from losing Uslum in the Great War, we are finally rebuilt to a point that we have our own Fief, 10 fully-armed raiding members, and have 90% of our roster actively logging in to make sure they're doing the right thing in Strategus and also raiding and joining in fights.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Elio on April 11, 2012, 11:16:20 pm
I did them first in photoshop but that turned out to be the wrong tool for that job (outlines overlapping, not "jagged" enough). If someone wants to help with that and knows Inkscape (http://inkscape.org/) (or wants to learn it, quite easy) let me know.

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Sorry if my question may seem silly :
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Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Harald on April 11, 2012, 11:42:09 pm
Redo the vectors i did in photoshop with a proper vector tool.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Garem on April 12, 2012, 02:32:15 am
"We" are still working on strategus v2 (=same functionality but improved UI + cleaned up code base). Progress slowed down because i got tired of it after working on it alone for months. We got a new dev member recently (MrIlluminati) that wants to work only on strategus, so we will see how that works out.

Good stuff! Just want to let you know how much I appreciate hearing from you guys! I think I speak for everyone here. So seriously, thanks!

MrIllum knows his stuff, glad you picked him up.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Kalp on April 12, 2012, 10:46:29 am
Harald for president...
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on April 12, 2012, 12:30:23 pm
Good stuff! Just want to let you know how much I appreciate hearing from you guys! I think I speak for everyone here. So seriously, thanks!

MrIllum knows his stuff, glad you picked him up.

I for one would like to say I hat Harald, how dare he keep this thing afloat! How dare he! In other news, thank you very much Harald.

Also I hate to beat a dead cat but can you foresee a change in the crafting system any time in the near/seminear future?
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Tomas on April 12, 2012, 12:47:51 pm
EDIT: Found the proper way of doing it.

Do you want the borders to match the edges of the rivers with a gap for the river or to go down the center of the rivers?
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Tomas on April 12, 2012, 01:05:20 pm
Also by "ragged" i'm assuming you want it to look more like this http://www.picturesofengland.com/images/mapofengland/england-counties.gif
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: moorane on April 12, 2012, 01:14:23 pm
Redo the vectors i did in photoshop with a proper vector tool.
Adobe Illustrator? Or you can do it in ArcGIS (there you could easily make topology rules too to prevent overlapping etc)...then export into eps or any other vector format? Or what do you need specifically?
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Harald on April 12, 2012, 02:36:05 pm
I did actually look at some GIS tools, but i found them really complicated and didn't know where to start. In the end i went with Inkscape because it is easy and free (i don't own Illustrator).
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Miwiw on April 12, 2012, 03:55:07 pm
Crafting, getting gold for my clan. I do not participate in many battles though lately.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Harpag on April 12, 2012, 04:07:29 pm
If you can, divide whole project into stages and specific tasks to accomplish. Preferably together with the technical conditions, divided into sections corresponding to a single person.
I will pass information to people from my clan. Allocation of work may help. I hope someone proves to be useful.

I understand you need Illustrator advanced  user opinion, you are looking for easy GIS tools or thinking about exporting into vector format, but specific tasks will be easier to transfer to subsequent person.

BTW: Harald for president +1
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 12, 2012, 04:35:51 pm
Adobe Illustrator? Or you can do it in ArcGIS (there you could easily make topology rules too to prevent overlapping etc)...then export into eps or any other vector format? Or what do you need specifically?

Oh? ArcGIS....now there's a program I used to Know/Use a bit. Used it For A bunch of Surveying, and map related things. Though i don't know if I have the same prowess as i did before. Getting ArcGIS you need a license  and those aren't cheep. My University only had 20ish licenses and 25 comps.

Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on April 13, 2012, 01:29:23 am
I've got access to a shit load of GIS(z) tools, we call it gizzing because we are cool. I am not so good with them though.

Always the way, one guy has all the shit and none of the know how while the other has all the know how and none of the shit.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: moorane on April 13, 2012, 02:50:06 pm
Harald, if you have the strat map in a higher resolution (I can do it with the low res jpg too, but with a higher resolution I can nearly automate the whole thing so it spares a lot of work ;)), I can vectorize the boundaries of the districts as lines/polygons (depends on what you need exactly). In what format would you need it then?

(edit): it would be best, if you have the strat image in a non-destructive compression format like png of tif.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Elmokki on April 13, 2012, 10:18:34 pm
I log in to fortify Curaw with soldiers once in a while. Though I bet no-one will ever attack it before a wipe. If someone attacks I'll join the battle though!

1528 extra tickets for defenders are waiting.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Opium.dk on April 15, 2012, 11:08:27 pm
I would probably check it out more if the map and strategus site didnt look so primitive and uninteresting.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Herkkutatti on April 15, 2012, 11:09:46 pm
Started playing even more since i joined STR and the UNION.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on April 16, 2012, 12:58:17 am
@Opium trying installing Chorts eye candy.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Cicero on April 16, 2012, 01:52:01 am
this strat is over , just make a large EU map and let us play in same strat form.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Herkkutatti on April 16, 2012, 02:00:53 am
I would like to split EU and NA, and give both own strategus map, so EU on EU map and NA on NA map. this way the battles would be more fun to all, and even the smallest factions could own a fief.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: kinngrimm on April 16, 2012, 03:53:15 am
I still do some diplomatic stuff from time to time, but since November last year i lost interest because of many reasons.

First of them, so much time and effort to put shit together and organize stuff for so less gain or total loss in some cases.

Secondly a community which reacts butthurt if you make a tactic/ruse/establish an alliance(carebear) or just make shit work like trading which they couldn't then can't get over themselves constantly trolling, i don't wanna be part of that crap anymore, just too much hustle with some(a lot of?) assholes(you think i am the asshole i don't give a rats ass fuck you anyways for fucking with my mojo)

Third there are a lot of balancing issues which in my opinion need to be addressed. EDIT: Perhaps strat 2.0? will change things to the better end

That all and other stuff made me nearly delete my char and just move on, but addiction is tough thing to give up i guess. Atm i started playing cRPG again making some xp, at least i have now time to play cRPG before November i was doing 10 hours each day clan|strat|alliance /diplomacy/trading/spreadsheats/cRPG&Wolves Forum/cRPG IRC ... and lots of other cRPG/Strat related stuff and come to play cRPG perhaps 2-4 hours a day if at all. Also in cRPG are so few insentives left now where i would care about.  Got all my gear loomed, don't get smithing skills, aren't able to switch my build at least every 10 days though generations anymore (yawn boring ... and yes i made a suggestion which would have addressed but guess what), just waiting that lvl 35 kicks in then going for the huge grind to 36 then most likely killing myself as there is nothing left to do in life ^^
Well hanging out alone often on my ts as those i hang out with before are mostly now bandits for whatever reasons. And no i wont join another clan, wolves still have around 50 members, around 7 regular active and i am training some new guys and recruiting again.
But strategus can besides some battles/sieges atm kiss my hairy ass for now till i have built up a clan structure again and hopefully guys in there who don't cut and run when their leader should fall into depression again.  I always wanted a self sustaining clan, people who can and want to take actions themselves and don't need me to be around all the time or see me as the only reason the wolves should exist, i hoped i could establish a little bit more, but perhaps that effort is futile with a bunch of people out of the internets. Still i wont quit ;) at least not till i get to lvl 36 ^^

The Bandits are still in Wolves Faction though and Tuetensuppe as far as i know takes care of strategus stuff on their end. Keep it up Tuete!

Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Christo on April 16, 2012, 03:54:18 am
I played like in one or two battles in this Strat.

In the first strat, I played in almost every major battle.

The actual map part? Never used it really.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: TurmoilTom on April 16, 2012, 04:14:26 am
I log in the craft goat meat or whatever and fight in some battles every now and again. Wanted to sell my craft goods for gold to raise a bandit army at some point but I just can't be arsed.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Vovka on April 16, 2012, 09:21:17 am
Hi, my name is Vovka, and I do not play in strategus/crpg for 8 days
GIVE ME MY COOKIES!
 :P
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Bobthehero on April 16, 2012, 09:27:13 am
What is a strat?
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: BoneSaw on April 17, 2012, 12:44:21 am
Strat was fun until it got EU'd to death. Wipe map and restart with two maps, one for EU and one for NA. Otherwise til then this is a complete waste of time.
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Harpag on April 17, 2012, 04:07:53 pm
visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Herkkutatti on April 17, 2012, 04:33:39 pm
Strat was fun until it got EU'd to death. Wipe map and restart with two maps, one for EU and one for NA. Otherwise til then this is a complete waste of time.
Would be good , this way even the smallest factions could own a fief, but it's always pleasure to kill noob americans. 8-)
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 17, 2012, 05:27:32 pm
Once the EU clans that are "allies" got large enough (say took over the whole map) and there was basically only like 6 factions left, would they start fighting each other?  or keep the peaceful trading up
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: ulya on April 17, 2012, 06:10:42 pm
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They would probably continue peaceful trading, complain about how strat is boring and how nobody does anything and than quit.

Mark my words, when doomsday arives you will realize it is the truth!
Title: Re: Do you play strat any more? (log in/fight battles)
Post by: Sharky on April 17, 2012, 06:19:29 pm
I was one of the worst Strat addict here, still i had to took a break (from crpg as well) now i'm returning to do some battles and crpg. The problem is that there isn't really an alternative for me, other games are boring, probably because i like to play with my clanmates and crpg is the only game that everyone shares.
No offense to developers i appreciate their work and we can't really pretend anything since we are getting this great mod for free, but on strat, the amount of time and effort needed to assemble a decent army and doing things right, and the clumsy rules and interface make most players unable to partecipate.
Game is getting older and old bugs and problems are still here, while everything is more difficult to do then strat 1.0.
Also the battles especially in the first half of this strat were bugged as shit and battle screen is always flooded by fake or naked battles. Just some of the many things that is turning us down. Not to mention the wispread multiaccounting  :(