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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: matt2507 on April 08, 2012, 01:05:04 am
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Today, i played 5 rounds (on the same map) and my courser was repaired 3 times.
So 3x1388 = 4164 gold lost in one map ! :shock:
Besides he has already been repaired on the previous map.
Since I have the level to use the courser (two days ago), I went from 40,000 to 21,000 of gold, it's just to mutch.
I recall it was cheaper to play churburg cuirass instead of playing a horse, while the cuirass is supposed to be more expensive to repair.
It is actually more expensive but less often repaired.
I know the anti cav will tell me this is normal, and blah blah blah etc. but no, it's not normal.
THE HORSE IS NO LONGER OP !
Many players think otherwise but there are now plenty of weapons that can one shot a horse without counting those who can stop them.
I do not even speak of archers and crossbowmen who do great damage and Trowers, who for some one shot the horses (even the players..).
Especially since this repair system has not changed the fact that there are still many cav..
Some will say also to dress in Paysant with a fork to make money.. :rolleyes:
I'm sorry, when I launch a game, it is above all to play, to enjoy and entertain me !
I agree that I have to make concessions when I was riding, like wearing crappy armor or weapons. But provided it is profitable and even so I'm a loser.
As I said, when I play, it is to enjoy it, and now the game make me rage more than anything else.
I do not know if the devs do not like the Cavs, but we must not forget that it is an integral class of the game and it even appears in the title of this one..
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What other equipment are you using? I ride a courser and it never damages my gold rate. My gold stays pretty steadily increasing except for the bad days. Perhaps the other equipment you are using is what tips the balance?
Until I sold my Champ Arabian (I never use it) I stayed at a relatively steady rate between 30k-60k and the only times I lost significant gold was when I changed to my Mamluk for a few rounds.
I agree that horses do go down very easily now though. But from my perspective as an HA shooting down enemy cav...that's a good thing :P
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mw longsworld in weapon, Palace Guard Armor, Turban Helmet and crappy stuff in armor..
it's not very expensive.
it's not really the cost of repair that bothers me, is the frequency.
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Get horse.
Win rounds.
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Profit
?= get multiplier for more gold
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I say increase upkeep on the steroid ponies like arab war horse an courser :!:
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it's not really the cost of repair that bothers me, is the frequency.
The frequency is pretty random. I've had maps where I've gotten maybe one repair on my horse. I've had others where I've seen it repaired 4-5 times. That's what I mean by bad/good days. If you have a good day with not many repairs and lots of x5 you will be rolling the money in. And if you have bad days with lots of repairs and x1 you will bleed it. But that's where managing your equipment and having a buffer of cash comes in. The moment I go below 20k gold I switch from my courser to a lower tier horse. I may even go on foot. But that very rarely happens. Usually my gold is very steady.
It just sounds as though you had one of those bad days in upkeep terms.
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the problem is that there are too many bad days :(
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if you got x1, ride a rouncey or palfrey instead of the courser.
If you got x3 or higher, get your courser out.
Profit.
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I say increase upkeep on the steroid ponies like arab war horse an courser :!:
what makes you think they are on steroids ? horses in game are already much slower and less maneuverable than real life horses
hell horses ingame got pretty weak bump damage compared to real life horses as well
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what makes you think they are on steroids ? horses in game are already much slower and less maneuverable than real life horses
hell horses ingame got pretty weak bump damage compared to real life horses as well
Some people shouldn't be allowed to think ...
Oh wait! They're already not thinking at all
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Repairs are random i don't get them much often. Usualy my lance brake or sword. Shield never get broken. o.O
with courser,mongol armor,sarranid mail boots,mail mittens,lance or arabian cav sword with cav shield,and some crappy head armor you should make money.
I got 30k with my main,and 20 k with alt in two days.
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Some people shouldn't be allowed to think ...
Oh wait! They're already not thinking at all
so your saying there are no horses faster and more menuverable irl than those presented ingame ??
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Lower horse upkeep, please.
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Lower horse upkeep, please.
Huehuehuehue
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I had a mamluke horse break five out of five rounds on McCloud but I didn't whine on the forums.. It's just bad luck. You never notice rounds your horse not breaking for 10 rounds but you notice the negatives, I.E when your horse breaks a lot :)
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I had a mamluke horse break five out of five rounds on McCloud but I didn't whine on the forums.. It's just bad luck. You never notice rounds your horse not breaking for 10 rounds but you notice the negatives, I.E when your horse breaks a lot :)
If you have a lot of gold and you like the stupidly lose, it's cool for you.
But this is not my case.
I do not understand whys it does not surprise anyone that the price of repair of the horses is so high compared with other items even better.
I made my two preceding generation in infantry and even playing several round in full stuff, I never had so many repairs.
Classes are roughly in balance, whys not as in price?
It's just absurd to have to pay more for a same level of efficiency.
And yes, i whine, i am French !
Do not complain, i'm not parisian :mrgreen:
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I'm a first gen noob using a cheap str 7 armor, a light xbow and steel bolts with an arabian warhorse. I went from 20k to 6k over the course of 3 days. Something regarding horse upkeep changes and it's causing me to go broke. I understand having to pay upkeep, but this is just ridiculous. Now horses are just old-genners only?
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Now horses are just old-genners only?
I am currently gen 13 :wink:
this may be an unlucky generation :lol:
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what makes you think they are on steroids ? horses in game are already much slower and less maneuverable than real life horses
hell horses ingame got pretty weak bump damage compared to real life horses as well
Yeah, but in real life they're not mountain goats, they can't climb ladders or stairs, not to mention that ingame they take no damage whatsoever no matter how many people they bump or how fast they ram a wall, a courser can go full speed at a wall and all he'll do is strike a pose, I can easily counter-argue your points, so your point is kind of moot.
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Yeah, but in real life they're not mountain goats, they can't climb ladders or stairs, not to mention that ingame they take no damage whatsoever no matter how many people they bump or how fast they ram a wall, a courser can go full speed at a wall and all he'll do is strike a pose, I can easily counter-argue your points, so your point is kind of moot.
Horses don't run into walls in real life...most stairs and ladders are not able to be climbed by horses in game. A horse would run your ass over and not think twice about it, it certainly would hurt itself (unless it twisted it's ankle as it punched a hole in your chest).
You have no points. I'll give you two to start with: Horses have stamina in real life, they can't run top speed forever. They also can become uncontrollable to the rider if they get hit with arrows (not to mention they can buck the rider, so three points for you). There are historical accounts of horses riding through their own infantry lines because they got hit with arrows and freaked the fuck out.
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If your total cost is less then or around 25k you should be fine. Just wear some leather armor. And luck plays a big part of it, like someone else said, you'll notice the negatives but not the positives. A little tip I can give you is to buy a rouncey, and when you are in the x4 or x5 range, whip out your courser, but when you're not doing so well, just use the rouncey.
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Yes courser costs a large amount in repairs
It should, it's fast and durable
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it is fast, but the price of repair and purchase does not match.
If I look at the site, it is, for me, ranked in the middle range compared to others.
The problem is that it costs as much as an transitional armor and more expensive than a Flamberge.
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I agree, I'm not constantly on horseback because the repairs returning too often
and it's not normal, repairs as too recurring despite last updated must still slightly decrease the recurrence.
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Yeah, but in real life they're not mountain goats, they can't climb ladders or stairs, not to mention that ingame they take no damage whatsoever no matter how many people they bump or how fast they ram a wall, a courser can go full speed at a wall and all he'll do is strike a pose, I can easily counter-argue your points, so your point is kind of moot.
So if I punch you in the belly with my fist, my fist takes damage? The horse is hitting pedestrian's vulnerable places with what is likely the highly tough chest structure, or hooves, and it is MUCH larger to boot. If you want to be accurate, for horses to take 1 damage from bump, bump has to instakill with 500 damage. The only reason horses are so weak is that devs do not favour the class, not from actual field tests.
If you don't believe that, film some evidence of you being hit by a horse at full speed and walking off. I will foot the horses vet bill if there is any, but your medical bill has to be paid by yourself. Horses in crpg are made of sponges or tissue paper compared to real horses.
And there were/are several mountain cav units in history that were designed to operate in mountains, including climbing slopes (maybe not the 80% slopes we see in some random maps though).
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THE HORSE IS NO LONGER OP !
Yes it is.
/Thread.
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show me a real horse that can move like a champion arab warhorse with 8 riding
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Yes it is.
/Thread.
l2p
pay attention, it's not that hard
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So if I punch you in the belly with my fist, my fist takes damage?
Haven't taken physics now have you?
On another note, this is game balance discussion. Realism arguments do not count here.