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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Mlekce on April 04, 2012, 12:57:56 pm
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why do my horse get stopped when piker stab me from my left or right side?
I understand if he stab me in front that my horse will stop,but why is there stun from sides or from behind?
Also that stun is so fucking gay,because my horse can't start moving,and while i try to move piker stab me 4-5 times and kill my horse and me while i am on ground. :rolleyes:
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Horses get reared by polearm stabs to the head
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why do my horse get stopped when piker stab me from my left or right side?
I understand if he stab me in front that my horse will stop,but why is there stun from sides or from behind?
Also that stun is so fucking gay,because my horse can't start moving,and while i try to move piker stab me 4-5 times and kill my horse and me while i am on ground. :rolleyes:
He hits the horse's head from the side. A piker can't hit the horse's head from behind so you're joiking about that one. Also, a piker stabbing you 4-5 times before you can move? Nice troll. :)
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Hi guys! Let's check what the WIKI (http://wiki.c-rpg.net/index.php?title=Polearms#Horse_rearing) has to say about Horse Rearing!
Here's a quote for those of you who failed to click the link:
Some polearms can force a horse to rear if you manage to stab the head of a horse that goes over a certain speed. This is very useful as usually leaves the horseman completely defenseless. The criteria for horse rearing are: - the attacker must be unmounted
- the attack must be a thrust
- the attacker's weapon must be of type polearm
- the weapon need to be more than 140 long and deal pierce damage
- the receiving horse must have a forward speed of at least 3 m/s
- the attacker must be in the front of the horse (120º cone starting from the horse's "center")
- the priority of the animation being currently played by the horse must be less than 74 (riding has a priority of 0, jumping has a priority of 2, etc...)
As you can see there is more than simply "hitting the head" that needs to be done before you rear a horse, but that's mainly the gist of it. Still, take note of the 120º cone requirement. Even IF you hit the horses head from the back, it wont rear it. Same goes for most sidestabs.
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He hits the horse's head from the side. A piker can't hit the horse's head from behind so you're joiking about that one. Also, a piker stabbing you 4-5 times before you can move? Nice troll. :)
but why do i stop because he hit my horse head from side? It doesn't have sence at all.
I am telling you the truth. If he stop me,he hits me one time ant take 30% of health,and stun my horse,then he hit my horse again and stun him,and again and kill my horse,then i fall and while i am on ground without block he stabs me and take me half of health. Everything happends in about 15 seconds. Long spear is so fast,not to mention that war spear can outreach my heavy lance and stab even faster.
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but why do i stop because he hit my horse head from side? It doesn't have sence at all.
I am telling you the truth. If he stop me,he hits me one time ant take 30% of health,and stun my horse,then he hit my horse again and stun him,and again and kill my horse,then i fall and while i am on ground without block he stabs me and take me half of health. Everything happends in about 15 seconds. Long spear is so fast,not to mention that war spear can outreach my heavy lance and stab even faster.
Your lance is outreached by a warspear (guessing no shield) and your horse get reared by stabs from the side....
What game are you playing?
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One in his head.
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If your heavy lance gets outreached by warspear without shield, you are doing something wrong (and your opponent is doing something right). Of course even great maul outreaches your heavy lance if you use it wrong...
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but why do i stop because he hit my horse head from side? It doesn't have sence at all.
That's the mechanic. If a polearm over a certain length hits the horse's head it will reared. There's a lot of things that doesn't make sense in this game, and this one is not the worst.
I am telling you the truth. If he stop me,he hits me one time ant take 30% of health,and stun my horse,then he hit my horse again and stun him,and again and kill my horse,then i fall and while i am on ground without block he stabs me and take me half of health. Everything happends in about 15 seconds. Long spear is so fast,not to mention that war spear can outreach my heavy lance and stab even faster.
Long spear is fast? What the... Also, you can't be reared/stunned twice in a row, so you're obviously making things up. If he rears you and only takes 30 % you're doing something wrong by dying there because the next hits won't have any speed bonus at all and you should be able to escape easily. I've done it enough on my cav alts myself.
If you get outreached by a war spear I guess you're charging head on? If you tilt your horse to the left side while stabbing/couching to the right you will outrange bamboo spears and long awlpikes, not to mention war spears. Only weapons you can't outreach is long spear and pike.
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If you tilt your horse to the left side while stabbing/couching to the right you will outrange bamboo spears and long awlpikes, not to mention war spears. Only weapons you can't outreach is long spear and pike.
That might be possible with arabian wardog, maybe some other agile horses too but with 6 riding and courser... I would not try to outreach bamboo spear or long awlpike that is ready to hit me.
Warspears, normal awlpikes, greatswords etc get all eaten by my courser if my timing is right. Things might be difficult if you have only 3 riding and low tier horse. You can't blame the game mechanics for your sucky build or sucky horse you've chosen. Don't expect to be the uberlord of cav right when you try it for the first time. Practise and practise more... If you still suck, dont come to complain here. Just do something else.
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Your lance is outreached by a warspear (guessing no shield) and your horse get reared by stabs from the side....
What game are you playing?
I have a shield,and dude yesterday stab my horse in the head with war spear,and i could'n reach im with heavy lance. He used war spear with shield.
Never mind i don't complain aboth that. Only thing i hate is that stopping hit from side. I only hate that,other thing is my lack of expirience as cav.
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I have a shield,and dude yesterday stab my horse in the head with war spear,and i could'n reach im with heavy lance. He used war spear with shield.
Warspear with shield has enormous reach. Btw what horse do you use Mlecke? And what riding skill?
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Warspear with shield has enormous reach. Btw what horse do you use Mlecke? And what riding skill?
i have 6 riding and i can ride courser,but that map was some cind of town and i ride destrier or champion rouncey in that cind of maps(i am too poor for armored horses).
I ride champion rouncey that map and i picked up mw heavy lance,but i encountered large mob,and it was too late to go back so i tried to kill at least one person and he dehorsed me and killed me while i was on ground. :lol: That spear can kill if it hits your legs and also can kill your horse too
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Then the only thing you need is more practice :). It takes rather long time to really get into the cavalryman mindset (if you really want to be good). You must wait for the right moment and be able to see the small time window when you can go into some situations. It only comes from experience and infinite amount of fails. Yes I think horses get reared retardedly sometimes when someone literally pokes the horse in the ass from some specific angle from the front. You just cant do anything about it. It's game mechanic. You can only learn how to avoid those situations.
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Also that stun is so fucking gay,because my horse can't start moving,and while i try to move piker stab me 4-5 times and kill my horse and me while i am on ground. :rolleyes:
Troll harder. Most of the times I stop a horse with my long spear it can still escape because it turns around and runs away before I can hit it a second or third time. And they are normally not reared again a second time. Horses should drop dead instantly if the get a spear/pike to the head. :twisted:
Everything happends in about 15 seconds.
If you need 15 seconds (15!!) to get your horse on speed again you either have a three legged sumpter horse or do something completely wrong.
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IMO horse rears should just be instant-horse kills, why? Would allow for more cav teamwork and formations knowing a single guy up front won't get stunned stopping and effectively killing the other cav... but seriously, besides being stopped instead of dismounted horse rearing is fine.
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IMO horse rears should just be instant-horse kills, why? Would allow for more cav teamwork and formations knowing a single guy up front won't get stunned stopping and effectively killing the other cav... but seriously, besides being stopped instead of dismounted horse rearing is fine.
IMO you should stay permamuted in the forums... Formations don't work. Not with cav, not with infantry (if it's not a shieldwall). Indeed horse rearing is ok now.
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IMO horse rears should just be instant-horse kills, why? Would allow for more cav teamwork and formations knowing a single guy up front won't get stunned stopping and effectively killing the other cav... but seriously, besides being stopped instead of dismounted horse rearing is fine.
Horse charges should also be insta kills but you don't see cav lobbying for that often do you?
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Horse charges should also be insta kills but you don't see cav lobbying for that often do you?
IMO horse charging damage should be lowered extremely, one heavy horse can take half my health without hitting me with anything else than the horse...
And Son Of Odin, being dehorsed instantly would still be better for the cav than being reared then being hit twice in the back, then your horsie dies right as you get ability to move, then you die, been there done that... and formations and group tactics would work a lot better with cav if horse-rearing meant horse-insta kill, and they currently do work, just that the only tactic that do work atm is being circled eternally by a group of lancers, twisting the circle so that you get hit or bumped constantly.
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Foresee another nerf pikes thread.
Again. Leave my gear alone, please.
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What I would like to see is horse rearing interrupting any attacks... I hate stopping a horse and getting stabbed in the same split second.
And I use a pike, and when I stop a horse I am HAPPY if I manage to stab it a second time! Usually I run forward to support my stab, so once stopped (and the lance stab blocked :rolleyes: ) I need to back off to stab again with my 68 speed weapon, and usually at this moment I can see the rider and his horse riding into the sunset on the horizon, because the whole process does NOT take 15 seconds. :rolleyes:
Some players with high riding skill and Arabian Warhorse even manage to ride towards a spearman, so he releases his stab in time, but in this second they slow down, the spearman stabs air, they speed up again and kill him while he is recovering from his blow and too surprised/confused what just happened to block.
And with the amount of retarded infantry on the servers the least cavalry needs is a buff. I tell you, if horses had only 1 HP, 0 armour and 0 bump damage, you would still have cavalry players racking up 5+ kills per round. Just have an eye for infantry that fails fighting cav (actually it's easier to do it the other way round: look out for those who know how to deal with cav, and evade them) and you won't be bothered by such tiny problems.
The only reason why a spearman can stab you from any direction is that you approached within his reach. It's exclusively your responsibility, you take the risk.
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That might be possible with arabian wardog, maybe some other agile horses too but with 6 riding and courser... I would not try to outreach bamboo spear or long awlpike that is ready to hit me.
I can do it with 5 riding and a regular destrier so it shouldn't be a problem for you either. You just have to time it right. However, it can be quite risky so I rarely do it.
Also, war spear + shield has -40 reach compared to heavy lance from horseback. As long as you don't try to rush straight at him you'll easily outreach him. If you tilt your horse to the left while stabbing right he can't outreach you, not a chance. If you charge straight at him he can hit the horse's head and rear it before you can hit him.
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If your horse gets stopped, you screwed up and should die for it. I have only been cav for a week or so, but I got away with getting reared and stabbing people or simply getting off my horse with my full-infantry character more times than should happen for such blunders.
My character has been anti-cav for the past 3/4 year, so it is my point of view from experiencing both sides.
War spear + shield is barely outranged by the lance stab/couch due to the range difference between the hoplite hitting the horse's head and the cavalry player attacking the hoplite. Even against good cav, I can expect to stop them an overwhelming majority of the time.