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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: OttomanSniper on April 03, 2012, 03:21:01 pm

Title: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: OttomanSniper on April 03, 2012, 03:21:01 pm
Some players are use the full tincan or full peasant armor in duel and this made the results of duel is wrong. I think duels need standard armor, only weapons are changeable.

What do you think about this issue? Some Warband mods are use this rule.
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: Herkkutatti on April 03, 2012, 03:24:07 pm
 when you duel with Full tincan armors you train to be good with heavy weight gear. so what is the problem with it?
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: Kansuke on April 03, 2012, 03:25:24 pm
Duelling in cRPG is silly anyway there will always be some players with an advantage, equipement or level.
If there is a standard equipement some players might be disadvantaged because their build are meant to be played with a special gear.

Really if you want to duel go native this is the only way to have a fair duel.
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: OttomanSniper on April 03, 2012, 03:30:45 pm
This suggestion for new mod for crpg, i know full tincan is good for training (example: chamber training) but not good for realistic duel.
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: tarralan on April 03, 2012, 03:44:01 pm
Quote from: OttomanSniper on April 03, 2012, 03:30:45 pm
This suggestion for new mod for crpg, i know full tincan is good for training (example: chamber training) but not good for realistic duel.

really?

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Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: Teeth on April 03, 2012, 03:56:03 pm
I dunno about you guys, but I duel to improve my battle capabilities so I prefer to use my battle gear. I also like duelling as it is, don't really have problems with it. Being in heavy armor also has its disadvantages, wearing no armor has its advantages.

I like that I meet a variety of opponents with all types of weapons and armors in duels, makes for good and thorough practice. I also like duels with some armor cause there is atleast some room for mistake. Native duels are less fun because of the enormous amount of fluke based victories and defeats. After a cRPG duel I can be quite sure if my opponent or me is the better player. In native theres always one that makes one silly mistake while he can still be a very good player. Let alone the ridiculous OP'ness of the stab in Native. Native duelling is shit, does feel more responsive though.

Also, if you duel with no armor there is no incentive to use the slower but heavier hitting weapons cause 1 hit with 35 cut will do the trick too.

Why only a standard duel armor and not a standard duel weapon? Some weapons are way better. Some players use the Danish Greatsword while I use the Practice longsword, this made the results of the duel wrong.
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: Coward on April 03, 2012, 04:00:03 pm
If you go for same clothing, go for same weapons too, as far as I remember, duelists always had same type of weapons and armour. Maybe there could be two types of duels, one as you mentioned and one for trainings.
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: MrShine on April 03, 2012, 04:02:45 pm
If you're dueling for e-peen or something then work it out with the other person.

Fighting a tin can is tough to deal with, but remember:

nothing
           happens
                        when
                                you
                                     lose

Just respawn and try again.
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: Leshma on April 03, 2012, 04:11:27 pm
Quote from: Kansuke on April 03, 2012, 03:25:24 pm
Really if you want to duel go native this is the only way to have a fair duel.

Duels are only fair in South Korea. You can't have fair duel if one player has 20 ping and the other one 80 ping. Considering that, I really see no point in making duels standardized.
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on April 03, 2012, 04:27:44 pm
lol if you don't like it then don't duel tincans :D any problems?

historically, medieval duels were fought much like between tincans to prevent serious woundings if the participants had prefered to wield weapons.
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 03, 2012, 04:46:47 pm
I like these threads where people come in and show just how much they care about their score in the duel servers.  You're there to get better not to dominate the server (well I would assume that's the case).  if you want to dominate, go to the battle server and show your true stuff.

I do agree with the OP that for a 'fair' duel you should have about equal gear load out, but it's not like the duel server actually means anything...if you really are that worried about your e-peen then you should probably play a game that more than 500 people play.
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: B3RS3RK on April 03, 2012, 05:05:48 pm
if you want standard armor, why the fuck dont you just wear one armor and tell your duel partner to do so, too?
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: Logen on April 03, 2012, 05:36:18 pm
Yeah, well, if you want a fair duel then go on Nditions and get macrofeinted to death.
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: OttomanSniper on April 03, 2012, 06:09:59 pm
Calm down a bit you guys, its only a suggestion. =)

Quote from: Logen on April 03, 2012, 05:36:18 pm
Yeah, well, if you want a fair duel then go on Nditions and get macrofeinted to death.

I dont need Nditions for "macrofeinted to death". cRPG have more...

Quote from: B3RS3RK on April 03, 2012, 05:05:48 pm
if you want standard armor, why the fuck dont you just wear one armor and tell your duel partner to do so, too?

I've got the weakest and the strongest armor and i'm an archer (duels not interest me so much). Reason for my writing this proposal: Some "heros" are really easy to kill, but we can't fight with him/her ability, we fight with heros armor.

It does not matter so much. If looks like it is wrong can be neglected.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: Xant on April 03, 2012, 07:07:49 pm
Quote from: Logen on April 03, 2012, 05:36:18 pm
Yeah, well, if you want a fair duel then go on Nditions and get macrofeinted to death.

lolno, more like laugh at the macrofeinters as you 1-hit headslash spam them when they're busy doing their helicopter feints, tobi is the only one with macroish feints who can block while feinting, which is a'cause he's actually not macrofeinting
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: Leshma on April 03, 2012, 08:59:20 pm
Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on April 03, 2012, 04:46:47 pm
I like these threads where people come in and show just how much they care about their score in the duel servers.  You're there to get better not to dominate the server (well I would assume that's the case).  if you want to dominate, go to the battle server and show your true stuff.

I do agree with the OP that for a 'fair' duel you should have about equal gear load out, but it's not like the duel server actually means anything...if you really are that worried about your e-peen then you should probably play a game that more than 500 people play.

Thing is, you don't get what you want if you duel in light gear. You'll be better with light gear if you practice in light gear, but once you put on armor it's completely different game. I know this because I play battle both in light armor and plate, difference is massive. Things you learn while playing in light armor can't be properly utilized when you're in your heavy armor. Teeth already said something similar.

If you want to get better at blocking, don't wear light armor on your native server. Wear heavy armor but play on distant server where your ping is quite high. That way you'll learn to block faster because you'll be forced to.

Blocking with stable sub 50 ping is really easy in cRPG, I had that at some point and was lolWTF how easy it was to block every single feint. When quality of your connection get worse blocking gets a lot harder.

For me playing on EU1 when its full (120 people) with ping which goes anywhere from 70 to 120, it's really challenging. During the night, on the same server there isn't more than 60 people and my ping becomes somwhat stable 40-60, things become a lot different. Much easier.
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: RandomDude on April 03, 2012, 09:17:13 pm
If you want totally "fair" duels go to a native duel server.
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: Son Of Odin on April 03, 2012, 09:28:05 pm
Quote from: RandomDude on April 03, 2012, 09:17:13 pm
If you want totally "fair" duels go to a native duel server.
+1. I use the same gear on duelserver as I would use in battle. I think it is pretty obvious why I do that. The movement speed, wpf, glancing etc are exactly the same as in real situation. Dueling in cRPG is boring sometimes because everyone can block rather well and wpf has lost some of it's purpose. I like the fact that you can't just outspam everyone with high speed builds while backpeddling, but sometimes the fighting speed is just so slow it makes me bored :D. Only thing that matters really heavily on agility side is athletics once you have ~130 wpf or maybe even less..
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 03, 2012, 09:46:06 pm
Quote from: Leshma on April 03, 2012, 08:59:20 pm
Thing is, you don't get what you want if you duel in light gear. You'll be better with light gear if you practice in light gear, but once you put on armor it's completely different game. I know this because I play battle both in light armor and plate, difference is massive. Things you learn while playing in light armor can't be properly utilized when you're in your heavy armor. Teeth already said something similar.



I'm completely aware.  I have also noticed a big difference going from light to medium armor.  Not much more weight can really change your footwork and swing speed.  I personally would want to duel with my regular loadouts so I get familiar with the gear I would normally use.  But if I wanted to duel for the purpose of seeing who the better person is, then I would just ask them to wear the same type of armor...seems logical. 

Either way the purpose wouldn't be to try and gain fame by being on top of the duel scoreboard.
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on April 04, 2012, 02:03:08 am
Just don't duel the tin cans
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on April 04, 2012, 02:49:13 am
I'm okay with it as long as it's Black Lamellar Vest.
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Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on April 04, 2012, 03:19:26 am
OttomanSniper, I think this is the worst idea I've ever seen on this forum...
...so 'gratz I guess.
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: Logen on April 04, 2012, 04:41:40 am
Actually, the idea of getting you unmuted was the worst.
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: Son Of Odin on April 04, 2012, 04:46:41 am
Quote from: Logen on April 04, 2012, 04:41:40 am
Actually, the idea of getting you unmuted was the worst.
Indeed
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on April 04, 2012, 05:33:44 am
Quote from: Logen on April 04, 2012, 04:41:40 am
Actually, the idea of getting you unmuted was the worst.
The first, the second, or the third time?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: Son Of Odin on April 04, 2012, 05:41:15 am
Quote from: Zlisch_The_Butcher on April 04, 2012, 05:33:44 am
The first, the second, or the third time?  :mrgreen:
All of them :wink:
Title: Re: Standard Duel Armor
Post by: OttomanSniper on April 04, 2012, 09:11:10 am
Quote from: Zlisch_The_Butcher on April 04, 2012, 03:19:26 am
OttomanSniper, I think this is the worst idea I've ever seen on this forum...
...so 'gratz I guess.

I have more worst idea on this forum =) :P

Example:

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,17796.0.html :(
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,16246.0.html (its not worst!)
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,13851.0.html (my favorite worst idea)