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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Realism Discussion => Topic started by: Abay on April 03, 2012, 04:24:33 am

Title: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Abay on April 03, 2012, 04:24:33 am
Hey guys,

Well, I understand why someone dies by an headshot from an archer. But I dont understand why they dont die when they have a pick in their brain. I use steel pick in the game and want to see them dead after I hit their brain from up for more realism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RESdW93kgX8
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Wookimonsta on April 03, 2012, 09:37:22 am
you can survive headshots you know?
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Abay on April 03, 2012, 09:58:09 am
Quote from: Wookimonsta on April 03, 2012, 09:37:22 am
you can survive headshots you know?

Yeah, I got 9if. I live that moments sometimes
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Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on April 03, 2012, 11:50:51 am
making headhit in melee is 100 times easier then headshoot from some distance you know?
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on April 03, 2012, 01:53:25 pm
Good that these picks aren't strong enough already with their spammy speed and piercedmg^^


As agor said, headshot is more difficult (although it's way too easy now with the spammy bows, thx to our smart devteam) with a ranged weapon. In melee you can always aim for the head and most of the time you'll hit it. And it already deals more damage than a bodyhit, so no need for an instantkill as it is with ranged
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Abay on April 03, 2012, 03:06:12 pm
Quote from: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on April 03, 2012, 01:53:25 pm
Good that these picks aren't strong enough already with their spammy speed and piercedmg^^


As agor said, headshot is more difficult (although it's way too easy now with the spammy bows, thx to our smart devteam) with a ranged weapon. In melee you can always aim for the head and most of the time you'll hit it. And it already deals more damage than a bodyhit, so no need for an instantkill as it is with ranged

I just support realism in the game. I am against also archery nerfs. Archery must be one of the biggest power in the game. Also Great maul effect must be nerfed cos it was unuseful in the history but it has many fans in cRPG. So, lets realism  :wink:
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on April 03, 2012, 03:27:28 pm
I would also love to see more realism, but then the whole mod should be made again^^
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 03, 2012, 07:27:51 pm
Not the mod, the whole game would need to be remade for realism to actually be applied.

Also I've read more than one account of people surviving coup de grâce gunshots to the head. 
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Renten on April 04, 2012, 06:06:31 pm
I'd actually enjoy it if throwing got the same bonus to damage as archery. This happens all the time to me
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That or they fixed whatever hit box continually gets in the way.
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Jarlek on April 04, 2012, 07:15:49 pm
Buff throwing :(
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Abay on April 04, 2012, 07:32:00 pm
Quote from: Renten on April 04, 2012, 06:06:31 pm
I'd actually enjoy it if throwing got the same bonus to damage as archery. This happens all the time to me
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That or they fixed whatever hit box continually gets in the way.

Yeah, I also remember my char with 3 throwing axes on the head and alive  :lol:
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: IceManX on April 05, 2012, 12:06:17 pm
The thing with throwing and arrows/bolts is, sometimes it looks like they have hit the head... but didnt.
On the screenshots it looks more like the axes are stuck in the neck/shoulder.

Perhaps during the hit of the ranged weapons the person was in "swinging position", after going back in normal stance it looks like a headshot.

I dont remember exactly if it rly was the head, but it looks funny:
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I think with around PT 7+ u can headshot ppl with throwing cutting weapons sometimes. But it depends on which helmet the guy is using.
Most of the time I am using a Sallet with Coif and Visor to protect me better from headhits.
Even I cant kill someone with 1 hit to the head with MW Danish and 7PS. Most of the time I need 2 or even 3.
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: [ptx] on April 05, 2012, 12:08:41 pm
Projectiles are only visible, after they hit the head, if they kill the victim. Headshots, that don't kill, have no visible projectiles sticking out of the head.

Those are all shoulder/torso hits in those screenshots.
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Gurnisson on April 05, 2012, 12:23:31 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on April 05, 2012, 12:08:41 pm
Projectiles are only visible, after they hit the head, if they kill the victim. Headshots, that don't kill, have no visible projectiles sticking out of the head.

They show up in the head from time to time too, but it's rare

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Post by: [ptx] on April 05, 2012, 12:48:24 pm
That is a strange shoulder hit.
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Post by: Spawny on April 05, 2012, 04:38:53 pm
I survive headshots regularly with 6 IF, 18 strength and a lordly gotland helmet. Both from bows and melee weapons.
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Abay on April 05, 2012, 04:44:48 pm
18str,6if       :lol:
 
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Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Renten on April 05, 2012, 10:35:46 pm
All I'm saying is either throwing doesn't get the head shot bonus like bow/xbow or it suffers from some extreme shoulder hit box issues.
Ponies also don't believe in head shots.
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Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 05, 2012, 11:04:03 pm
Notice that all the time with throwing weapons in people's heads, or in my horses head.  It can't all be blamed on shitty hit boxes.

Although yesterday I did get shot in the upper back (or possibly very base of the neck) and was considered a headshot. 
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: MangyHobo on April 23, 2012, 06:04:35 am
I agree with mauls being OP
I love my maul and use it all the time to kill like 6 guys in one run.. :D

The main reason for them being OP is that nothing stops a really heavy sword from breaking bones just like the maul.. only thing is you would
run out of energy by then and be a dead man.. also a maul would not break as often... if you ask me all 2h weapons are OP and most pollarms are OP
and its not because they are to good but because everything else is nerfed.. like honestly bring back Horse archer's, archers and throwers.. if you have a problem with HA bring a cross bow and archers bring a shield.. I don't go bitching on the forums every time I get killed on my horse by some guy with a pike because pikes are OP and shouldn't kill cavalry in one hit.. no i deal with it and avoid the guy with the pike... just like foot infantry should avoid open fields with HA and avoid archers when cover is not available... also bring the shields arrow stopping powers back instead of them being these weird heavy pieces of cardboard when there on your back..... 


BTW head shots should kill or knock down at least..... Helmets only protected against glancing blows and a over head would break your neck or knock you out

Fuck your magic I want giant throwing rocks still... 80 damage 1 missile speed and crush threw, knock down and bonus against shields.... :D


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Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Leshma on April 23, 2012, 05:17:31 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on April 05, 2012, 12:08:41 pm
Projectiles are only visible, after they hit the head, if they kill the victim. Headshots, that don't kill, have no visible projectiles sticking out of the head.

Those are all shoulder/torso hits in those screenshots.

What this man said.

@Gurnisson: No, they don't show, its just your wild imagination...
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Deathwhisper on May 02, 2012, 04:12:31 pm
They do show if the damage dealt is superior to about 75-80. Use morgh's editor to give swadian footmen 3000 hp and change crossbow damage to 200, then headshot them in custom battle. You'll see the bolt in their head.

It's very rare to see a bolt in someone's head in Crpg, but it does happen. Here's an example :

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/mb391.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/mb391.jpg/)

I've got 90 hp, so I took about 80 damage from it. Was before headshot damage buff though.
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Abay on May 02, 2012, 05:30:47 pm
omg  :shock:
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: PhantomZero on May 15, 2012, 09:27:18 am
Quote from: some crpg dev
Just pretend they all bounced off
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Fasader on May 15, 2012, 11:24:39 am
the threshold for head shots sticking is around 80-85 or something like that iirc.
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Teeth on May 15, 2012, 01:36:42 pm
Quote from: Fasader on May 15, 2012, 11:24:39 am
the threshold for head shots sticking is around 80-85 or something like that iirc.
I say remove that threshold if possible, seeing objects stick out of your face is awesome!
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Vibe on May 15, 2012, 01:41:07 pm
Can't get any manlier than walking around with a throwing axe sticking out of your head
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Leshma on May 15, 2012, 01:54:54 pm
Can't find that ss where I had two throwing axes sticking out of sides of my head, like some fantasy viking helmet :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Gnjus on May 15, 2012, 02:02:59 pm
Quote from: Leshma on April 23, 2012, 05:17:31 pm
@Gurnisson: No, they don't show, its just your wild imagination...

Yes they do.

Quote from: Fasader on May 15, 2012, 11:24:39 am
the threshold for head shots sticking is around 80-85 or something like that iirc.

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Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on May 15, 2012, 03:03:10 pm
haha, good ogre-times.

omnomnom, that face reminds me of someone...
Title: Re: Headshots vs Some steel in the brain!
Post by: Gnjus on May 15, 2012, 05:30:48 pm
Quote from: The_Bloody_Nine on May 15, 2012, 03:03:10 pm
haha, good ogre-times.

omnomnom, that face reminds me of someone...

Actually it's not Ogre, this is Balding_Midget_ITA, my alt from the days i was role-playing cmp.  :wink: