This concerns This thread: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,29191.0.html
I wouldn't post this if I didn't see a form of injustice going on. Noobie, and most will agree, was being a massive delayer, leecher, valour farmer for awhile, and he was banned multiple times and long amounts for it. Now, Jar is ALSO a repeat offender (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,26257.msg381770.html#msg381770), but on this ban(his third(?) of the kind) He gets off with a 24 hour ban per this post. (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,29191.msg429066.html#msg429066)
I would like to ask that another admin review the case and then either Uphold ganner's ban and explain why there is "Seeming" favoritism.(he could just be to lazy to look and see if Jar's a repeat offender), or Either give proper punishment to repeat offender. If ganner sees this and says, he didn't realize, and I should stop being a dick, i'll shut up. But in the interest of FAIRNESS, if others get long bans for MULTIPLE offenses, then so should jar.
Why are you such a fucking girl scout god damn. All you do is post ban requests three times a week because you can't handle being butthurt over having a teamate leech. Grow the fuck up.Anders has only posted in the ban forums 19 times. And he didn't start all of those threads and most of the posts were in response to comments that came later in the thread. I do not disagree that he is a girlscout though, I hear he makes fantastic cookies.
Why are you such a fucking girl scout god damn. All you do is post ban requests three times a week because you can't handle being butthurt over having a teamate leech. Grow the fuck up.
Anders has only posted in the ban forums 19 times. And he didn't start all of those threads and most of the posts were in response to comments that came later in the thread. I do not disagree that he is a girlscout though, I hear he makes fantastic cookies.I just find he's out on a witch hunt against even the tiniest of mistakes. While I agree that it is against the rules and people should be getting punished for said rule breaking, there is no need to go out on a limb just to get them banned.
I just find he's out on a witch hunt against even the tiniest of mistakes. While I agree that it is against the rules and people should be getting punished for said rule breaking, there is no need to go out on a limb just to get them banned.
Perhaps you are right, but tking and leeching are perhaps the 2 biggest things that irk me. Both hurt your team, and can cause several people to NOT enjoy their playing time.
Anders, you make a thread, asking for a ban for Jar and a warning for Veto and Leo --> You get a ban for Jar and a warning for Veto and Leo.
You make another thread, comparing Jar to one of most frequent offenders in NA and want what exactly? A longer ban? A stronger warning to the others? Ganner's adminship to be questioned? Prove favoritism amongst admins? Admins to speak against each other?
WAKE UP MAN!
This is a free online mod you are playing, with volunteer admins, getting NOTHING for the work they are doing. It's not the fucking supreme court with professional lawyers upholding rules ironed out over years with precedent cases and juries to support decision making!
There is no favoritism. There is no need to call out admins repeatedly if they are clearly trying to do the best they can. There is no need to try and pitch admins against each other.
There is just decisions made by people like you and me who do the best they can and are never being thanked for it.
This one goes out to everyone:
Stop your campaigns to alienate our admins while we still have any left!
Anders: Can I have a cookie Mom?I think in this case it was more like
Mom: No.
Anders: Can I really not have a cookie mom?
Mom: No. Stop asking.
Anders: But can I really really not have a cookie? I really want one.
Mom: No. Shut the fuck up.
Anders: Dad can I have a cookie?
Dad: No. Shut the fuck up.
Seeing a trend?
pretty weak comebacks by Chaos, obviously because their member didnt get a HARSHER sentence for being a repeat offender. Jar knows the rules, has been banned for it before, he should be getting 3 days to a week for being a fuckhead again
So should you and Anders for being sperging blowhards, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen.Hey, I never saw anything in the rules that says you can't be a sperging blowhard.
Hey, I never saw anything in the rules that says you can't be a sperging blowhard.
I just asking for FAIRNESS. I said, that I understand Ganner MAY have just not cared to look up Jar's history, and COMPLETELY understand that. In my post, the only REASON I made this thread was entirely cause Ganner told me to fuk off. I wasn't attempting(he might see it that way now) to be a dick, but I only said to him "isn't your ban for jar a little to short for a repeat offender?"
But, I could be lieing my ass off and everyone would say, "Oh he's just a troll ignore him", But I would like to see SOMETHING of a statement why ganner made a (simple) mistake. A single, "Hey, I didn't realize that, but ban's going to stand, thank you for being a dick, now move along" and I'll shut up. Simple as that. Just Apologize and say you made a mistake. Is it so hard to do?(click to show/hide)
Everyone calm the fuck down. This has been discussed in the admin forums since the original post of this thread.
Everything has been under evaluation since the inception of this thread.
Feel free to continue throwing insults back and forth though.
crpg mod is SERIOUS BUSINESS!!!!
WAKE UP MAN!
This is a free online mod you are playing, with volunteer admins, getting NOTHING for the work they are doing. It's not the fucking supreme court with professional lawyers upholding rules ironed out over years with precedent cases and juries to support decision making!
There is no favoritism. There is no need to call out admins repeatedly if they are clearly trying to do the best they can. There is no need to try and pitch admins against each other.I don't know about this instance but I'm sure favoritism exists in some or many admins...and there's nothing really wrong with that IMO because admins are PEOPLE too. As long as people are having fun fuck the rules and 'technicalities'. Really, why do some players care so much about what OTHER players are doing unless they are directly affected such as being tk'd or teamwounded? Me personally I couldn't care less if some players are 'valor farming' or even leeching. This isn't a 'job' so why don't some stop trying to treat it like one by having all these rigid rules. I couldn't care less if there is 'revenge' teamwounding/killing. Get a life people. This is a video GAME, don't ever take it too serious. The goal should be laughs and fun.
There is just decisions made by people like you and me who do the best they can and are never being thanked for it.
Can ganner just come out and say "You is sperglord anders, now shut up?" I'd shut up then.
I've said it before and I will say it again. Admins should be rotated. No one person should remain admin for a long period of time. Power corrupts the weak. There should be a random selection of 5 new admins every 2 weeks or so. All bans should also need the public support. If someone hands out a ban and the community do not agree that the ban is valid then the ban given by the admin will be cut in half or something. Rep systems will need to used so that only good posters can take part in the ban threads and that trolls can't go in a ban thread and sabotage the admins attempt at banning someone.and what happens in Troyicides case?
There are many people besides of Ganner who would like to say that to you, but are mostly too respectful, Anders.
If Ganner were to say it, who knows what floodgates he'd open. I'd say leave it at your civil discussion and veiled insults.
pretty weak comebacks by Chaos, obviously because their member didnt get a HARSHER sentence for being a repeat offender. Jar knows the rules, has been banned for it before, he should be getting 3 days to a week for being a fuckhead again
Remember that admins are still people. We have biases and preferences.I smell a redditor, and I approve good sir.
Being an admin is a service, not a privilege. We try to remain indifferent to the issues at hand, but we are still players in the community.(click to show/hide)
wow only 24 hours for repeat offender? lol my second ban was for 3 days and the next was for 5 days.
Everyone calm the fuck down. This has been discussed in the admin forums since the original post of this thread.
Everything has been under evaluation since the inception of this thread.
Feel free to continue throwing insults back and forth though.
and what happens in Troyicides case?
It's pretty much even. He's a known autoblocker and strategus battle griefer. Let's let him play some more!
In troycides case it is a matter of getting unbanned, not getting banned. In his thread most people have voted 5 on his essay if I remember correctly.
I don't like anders at all but he's good at what hes does and brings up a good point with this thread.
Thanks Anders for reconsidering. I know admins like Ganner and even Dexxtroll are taking their jobs seriously and trying to do their best, yet I would not want to be in their shoes most of the time.
I never once really wanted to piss on ganner, i really just wanted a bit of an answer. Perhaps asking over game was a bad idea, and I was a bit of a dick, perhaps. But I do apologize for any hard feelings i've caused ganner.Just pm one of the other admins next time instead of taking me off my leash like that.
Play on.
It's pretty much even. He's a known autoblocker and strategus battle griefer. Let's let him play some more!
The majority voted 5. It's democracy. He gets unbanned and if he ever does it again he gets a perma ban with no hope of ever returning. Simple. We lost nothing by unbanning him. If he decided to cheat again he will have wasted his last chance and he will be gone forever. The end. I don't want him unbanned, but the majority of people do.
The majority are people who didn't actually take the time to read it, are his 'bros,' or are euros who have no idea who he is and think it'll be funny to let the bull loose in the china shoppe again.Personally I think only admins should have a valid say in the rating of unban essays.
Just saying.
Personally I think only admins should have a valid say in the rating of unban essays.
The majority are people who didn't actually take the time to read it, are his 'bros,' or are euros who have no idea who he is and think it'll be funny to let the bull loose in the china shoppe again.
Just saying.
Idlewild : discuss.
That's irrelevant. Do you think that most people who voted for obama knew anything about his policy or what a wreck of a president they were voting for? No. They voted for him because he is black and that was enough reason for them. The same can be said with the unban essay. People will vote yes just because they like what someone wrote or because they played with the guy one time but that's okay. A vote is a vote and the reason behind the vote is irrelevant. I don't think the guy should be unbanned but the majority does and that's all there is to it.
Your argument is ridiculous. This isn't a national vote. The difference between that and this is the fact that we have the opportunity to look into it. A presidential vote does not have the ability to look into an event as close as we are able to as a community.If you poll banned me on a server and I was banned by majority vote then that would be that. A majority vote is the final say and always should be. The day we let a the minority decide the fate of the majority will be a bad day. Would I be happy? No. Would I fight the the ban by making an unban thread and also a ban thread for you? Yes.
By your logic you're telling me that if I put up a permaban request against you, without knowing you or anything about you, and the request goes through, you will sit idly by and watch yourself get permabanned, because the hypothetical majority voted against you.(click to show/hide)
The day we let a the minority decide the fate of the majority will be a bad day.
If you poll banned me on a server and I was banned by majority vote then that would be that. A majority vote is the final say and always should be.
Would I be happy? No. Would I fight the the ban by making an unban thread and also a ban thread for you? Yes.
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This is a free online mod you are playing, with volunteer admins, getting NOTHING for the work they are doing. It's not the fucking supreme court with professional lawyers upholding rules ironed out over years with precedent cases and juries to support decision making!
I'm glad that you seem to have calmed down at this point. Next time send a PM to the Admin in question, or make a "Concerns about Jar's ban length" thread.
That's irrelevant. Do you think that most people who voted for obama knew anything about his policy or what a wreck of a president they were voting for? No. They voted for him because he is black and that was enough reason for them.
Yea, I never ment bias. I put a question mark in thread title, cause i was half "Huh?". But the message body was more of a "Hey, please look at this, i don't think it's right."
Also you're right about my alt. I've apologized to ganner and said Didn't mean to witch hunt him.
pretty weak comebacks by Chaos, obviously because their member didnt get a HARSHER sentence for being a repeat offender. Jar knows the rules, has been banned for it before, he should be getting 3 days to a week for being a fuckhead again
wow only 24 hours for repeat offender? lol my second ban was for 3 days and the next was for 5 days.
I don't like anders at all but he's good at what hes does and brings up a good point with this thread.
guardian spaz would be so disappointlol your jars?
lol your jars?
lol your jars?
Does that change what you said earlier (which made sense).
It shouldn't matter who the player was (jars). This is about admins being inconsistent with their punishments (I honestly don't think ganner would show favoritism, I'm assuming he didn't know about previous bans...at least I like to give most people the benefit of the doubt until they give me a reason not to).
Well I don't have to play on NA ofc, and love the attitude from another admin there, GJ
So you all agreed that he deserved a light punishment because he's Jar?
So you all agreed that he deserved a light punishment because he's Jar? I see no-name players TK 1 person after a round as a joke and get a warning from pink chat about TKing but then someone that's even somewhat of a named player can get away with 3 blatant TK's. This kind of shit needs to stop and rules be enforced on everybody, not just the unwashed masses (or not at all! I personally don't mind the TKing after a round unless I picked something up in which case BLOCK.)
Also agreed, ganner is a badmin. (Not saying this because of this thread.)
Not only was the ban agreed upon by admins in and out of chaos, but they all felt the action taken was completely appropriate. Ganner just happened to be the one who issued the website ban. I'm probably skating up hill as it is trying to explain this to you guys, but yeah.
Still don't see why you think its OK to even have a member of the same clan involved in the decision process for a ban. This is so obvious, its just not the done thing. It will either lead to bias and favouritism OR at least create an image of bias/favouritism. Either way it doesn't make you guys look good in the least
Sadly 9/10 admins we have that still play the game are Chaos ahah so even if it looks like it's biased favoritism or something literally every admin stopped playing cRPG except the chaos ones and less then 5 non chaos players.
If you poll banned me on a server and I was banned by majority vote then that would be that. A majority vote is the final say and always should be. The day we let a the minority decide the fate of the majority will be a bad day. Would I be happy? No. Would I fight the the ban by making an unban thread and also a ban thread for you? Yes.
cRPG isn't a direct democracy it is more like an absolute monarchy headed by chadz where his appointees delegate responsibilities to people that are deemed worthy of merit, who pick their own teams, etc. Direct democracy is horrible and if you were American aka enlightened perhaps you would know the philosophical and sociological question of the "Tyranny of the majority" coined by our founding fathers. We can just look at the southern American states as examples where majorities disenfranchised minorities (poor whites and blacks) for a hundred years AFTER the civil war. The point of civil rights is to PROTECT minorities from overwhelming, often oppressive majorities.
An example would be if majorities controlled cRPG, all horse crossbowmen would be perma banned from the game. As a proponent of cRPG Freedom, I may not have to enjoy your playstyle, but I will protect to the death your right to play it.
Ummmm What? The American colonies were founded as a way to escape a monarchy. The USA has checks and balances, which is not present in crpg. And then you finish it off by a modified quote from Voltaire, a french philosopher. :rolleyes:Weren't they founded because the British/Spanish/French were like "Lol free land over hurr"?
Ummmm What? The American colonies were founded as a way to escape a monarchy. The USA has checks and balances, which is not present in crpg. And then you finish it off by a modified quote from Voltaire, a french philosopher. :rolleyes: