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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Coward on April 01, 2012, 10:09:53 pm

Title: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: Coward on April 01, 2012, 10:09:53 pm
The idea is to take away maulers the ability to block; one point being that the weapon is probably too heavy to block with efficiently, second; they take away YOUR ability to block them so it acts as a trade off of some kind.

The main purpose of a maul as I see it is to counter shielders and I don't see maulers blocking very much, they spam most of the time.

And same could go for a pike. While pikes were used to block other pikes, they would certainly be droped if the enemy came too close. How can one block a sword with a 3m pole and then attack back...
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: Tears of Destiny on April 01, 2012, 10:11:23 pm
Let me quote my most famous post...

Quote from: Tears of Destiny on November 06, 2011, 02:34:28 am
No
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: Herkkutatti on April 01, 2012, 10:16:06 pm
Blocking with maul is already hard, because of its weight,speed,and because its unbalanced. No need to remove blocking ability.
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: HUSTLER on April 01, 2012, 10:17:28 pm
To the op close your thread before you get trolled to peices your making a fool out of yourself lmao :lol:
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: TurmoilTom on April 01, 2012, 10:18:52 pm
heh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnYdteja7Y0)
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: B3RS3RK on April 01, 2012, 11:30:58 pm
Let´s take block away from everything.

Would buff agility chars for sure :D
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: RandomDude on April 01, 2012, 11:49:20 pm
Its only the overhead that is unblockable
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: Ronin on April 02, 2012, 01:30:29 am
So let's remove the ability to block upwards from mauls. Everything will be fairly treated then.
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: Dexxtaa on April 02, 2012, 03:09:02 am
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Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: RibaldRon on April 02, 2012, 04:10:09 am
Quote from: Ronin on April 02, 2012, 01:30:29 am
So let's remove the ability to block upwards from mauls. Everything will be fairly treated then.
This is actually an interesting suggestion if it's  possible.  :shock:


Thinking from a practical standpoint it would be really hard to block a downswing with a maul since it would be greatly unbalanced, you would have to block with it like a polearm, or the whole  thing would just topple over as you are holding one side, and the other is much heavier.


From a balance perspective it's already fine though and I imagine removing one  direction of block from an item would be hard.
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: Diomedes on April 02, 2012, 07:06:08 am
No.  Mauls are fine.  Significant changes to mechanics should be motivated by imbalanced or incongruous gameplay features, not realism.  If you've an argument demonstrating that mauls are imbalanced then go ahead with it.  Other threads have discussed similar issues which you may want to review before posting again in this thread.
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: Vibe on April 02, 2012, 07:42:15 am
Oh dear, this is the third maul hating thread in like 2 weeks, who's mauling all these rookies so hard and driving them mad?
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: Sagar on April 02, 2012, 10:06:29 am
NO Mauls are just fine.
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on April 02, 2012, 10:47:29 am
Quote from: TurmoilTom on April 01, 2012, 10:18:52 pm
heh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnYdteja7Y0)
haha, had to watch it four times. :D
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: Coward on April 02, 2012, 11:08:58 am
I don't hate maulers, I use kick, plus I use pike alot too so this is not buff me up thread. It's give mauls and pikes a support role.

As I see it, it would put more emphasis on the cooperation between players, but it seems that this against the "I'm the man" mentality.

It's just a thoguht tho, don't get frightened.
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on April 02, 2012, 11:40:51 am
I hate and fear maulers, and thats why they should stay as they are. Where would be the fun?

and ofc. there ways to fight them as well.
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: Elmetiacos on April 03, 2012, 02:55:36 am
Mauls are fine as they are. The problem is not that it's too easy to block with a maul, it's the noobs who, when faced with one, don't vary their attack patterns beyond exactly what the mauler expects...
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: Coward on April 03, 2012, 04:11:49 pm
Well it certainly hasn't been tried. But it's the psychology effect I'm interested in. Players knowing maulers can't block, how would they react?

When I use maul, I rarely block, I time my attacks and usualy stay behind some shielder or other team mate, and then shoot out when the opportunity arises.
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: Leshma on April 03, 2012, 04:18:02 pm
Quote from: Elmetiacos on April 03, 2012, 02:55:36 am
Mauls are fine as they are. The problem is not that it's too easy to block with a maul, it's the noobs who, when faced with one, don't vary their attack patterns beyond exactly what the mauler expects...

You can swing left and... you can swing right. If you overhead he'll do the same, most of the time resulting in chamber which means you are dead. If you stab he'll down block, which means you're stunned and dead.

You can wait for him to swing but you have to be fast, if you release your attack too late you're dead. And they mostly have more than 30 STR which means you need a lot of PS or a lot of swings to kill STR mauler. And these days everyone can block at least two of five attacks...
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 03, 2012, 04:49:49 pm
I'm tired of taking damage, let's take away the ability for weapons to hurt people.  We could all role play peaceful warriors who are practicing for battle!

Quote from: Leshma on April 03, 2012, 04:18:02 pm
You can swing left and... you can swing right. If you overhead he'll do the same, most of the time resulting in chamber which means you are dead. If you stab he'll down block, which means you're stunned and dead.

You can wait for him to swing but you have to be fast, if you release your attack too late you're dead. And they mostly have more than 30 STR which means you need a lot of PS or a lot of swings to kill STR mauler. And these days everyone can block at least two of five attacks...

Hey buddy, your noob is showing!  You can spam great mauls very easily, once they start swinging they most likely won't be able to stop (so maybe wait for them to start swinging before you release).  If you can't, then you're using the wrong weapon against them and should probably not go head to head.  Tactics, learn them.  Exploit your enemies weaknesses, use your strengths to your advantage. 

In other words, l2commonsense.
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: Logen on April 03, 2012, 05:38:47 pm
Come on Leshm, yes there's a lot of risk that if you fail he'll kill you in 1-2 hits, but then its not that easy to fail left-right spam. The only situation maules is dangerous is when he is backed up by some more guys.
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: Leshma on April 03, 2012, 09:13:26 pm
Logen, I think I've explained why I'm unable to successfully spam attacks very fast in that other mauler thread. Whenever someone thinks that I'm good at this game, I always say them: Spam me! They do and I drop dead. Most people when spammed block once or twice and return the favor spamming back. Well, I can't do that. As long as we're playing game of looking each in the eye and fake feinting chambered weapon I have a chance, but once you start spamming (best are overheads) I'm easier to kill than your average noob. That's why I'm against spam, I kinda hope cmpx will re-introduce that anti hiltslash mechanics (slower right swing) because that will help me a lot when facing other 2H players.
 
But that's just me. I actually said that spam is very viable against maulers. Elmetiacos said that we aren't creative against maulers. You don't need and actually can't be creative against them, you can only spam them.

And please Huseby, leave me alone. I don't need another Zapper on my back. Don't you two have something better to do, other than bugging people and following them across forum giving their every post -1?

Same goes for you Logen, I appreciate your attention but I don't think you want to be friendly with me, you're mostly following me trying to piss me off or something, I think...
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 03, 2012, 09:47:21 pm
I seriously haven't been following you, and I don't look for your name when I'm in a thread...I generally try to read most of what is posted on a topic before replying.

I don't know you, and I have nothing against you.  Sometimes I'm a smart ass dick, but it's not really meant to be mean, more to be sarcastic and slightly a jerk. 
Title: Re: Mauls with cannot block function
Post by: Elmetiacos on April 03, 2012, 10:01:37 pm
Quote from: Leshma on April 03, 2012, 04:18:02 pm
You can swing left and... you can swing right. If you overhead he'll do the same, most of the time resulting in chamber which means you are dead. If you stab he'll down block, which means you're stunned and dead.
I'm not sure we're even playing the same game.