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Title: Cav build
Post by: Lotrix on March 09, 2011, 09:21:56 pm
Hi guys...I'm getting closer to lvl 31 and ofc retire  :rolleyes: ... i want to make a cav with lance,shield and a 2h sword ... what build do you recommend for me?  :D
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on March 10, 2011, 01:01:10 am
No 2h sword. You can just get a lance, sheild, and polearm (bec, long hafted penis) for dismounted fighting. But if you must get a 2h sword, you're build will be high agility, in order to get the WPF needed for two weapons, and also for riding.

I've got
PS: 5
Sheild: 4
WPF: too much
Athl: 2 (too little)
Riding: 7 (too much?)

IE: i messed my build up. Next is a hoplite/cavalry guy. I would suggest higher athletics than 2 if you plan on using that 2h sword on foot.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Ghazan on March 10, 2011, 01:17:18 am
I use polearm + 1h for my cav build.

Its actually not a real cav build, but a foot build that lets me play well on horse.  With only 4 in riding and most of my wpf points in 1 hand I use the destrier for some bump / slash and basically just use the heavy lance to fend off other cav.  Works well though, plus I can still do alot of damage if I'm dehorsed.

There's some 2h weapons you can use on horse though like the katana or bastard sword, which can be used with a shield.  Not sure how well it does though.

Most cav go all polearm with a courser.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Nindur on March 10, 2011, 01:31:18 am
My cav build only uses 5 riding for my cataphract, I go 1h/shield with a lance to fend off horses, I get most if not all kills with my 1h. The cataphract gives me the ability to get close to any infantry, including pikemen. If your a beginner cav I don't recommend that, just get a courser or destrier and play the hit and run role, avoiding groups of archers.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Lotrix on March 10, 2011, 07:55:09 am
So...if i understand corectlly i need more agi than str right?
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 10, 2011, 08:17:37 am
Quote from: Lotrix on March 10, 2011, 07:55:09 am
So...if i understand corectlly i need more agi than str right?

Yes. In my experience with a horse you can build up the proper speed to severely damage (or OS weak enough targets) anyone. Riding skill takes precedence over Power Strike for most Cav.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: bruce on March 10, 2011, 10:36:50 am
I prefer 21/15 build for slashing, if I didn't retire I'd go 24/15 for slashing.... sure, if you want to lance someone and piss off, then you don't need that much powerstrike. Otherwise, powerstrike is king, generally you can make one slash, better make it count even at less then maximum speed.


Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Nindur on March 10, 2011, 03:56:48 pm
I would take the speed bonus of riding over the damage bonus of Powerstrike, More riding makes your horse go faster, which in turn causes you to deal more damage from speed bonus
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: bruce on March 10, 2011, 06:07:08 pm
Quote from: Nindur on March 10, 2011, 03:56:48 pm
I would take the speed bonus of riding over the damage bonus of Powerstrike, More riding makes your horse go faster, which in turn causes you to deal more damage from speed bonus

Powerstrike > speed. The go faster approach only really works on flat ground, and when you don't have to maneuver a lot to get someone, such as when lancing one person and buggering off.



Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on March 10, 2011, 06:08:53 pm
go 18/18

6 PS
6 ath
6 wep
5 riding

full polearm wpf
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Elio on March 11, 2011, 07:44:17 am
First gen I was :


@ lvl 30

I turned 2 skill points into 1 Attribute


Strength 18
Agility 18

18/18 Best choice

Ironflesh 2
Power Strike 6
Shield 5 // With (Heavy) Heater Shield
Athletics 6 // With a total weight of 25,75 (15 Armors + 10,75 Weapons)
Riding 4 // Courser
Weapon master 6

Mail armor : 34h 42b 36l

Weapons : 1H sword (130 wpf) + Lance (~100 wpf)
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Michael on March 11, 2011, 02:26:12 pm
The Bossman has 8 power strike and he is damn good in his game but sometimes I wished he had more power some opponents are that healthy or just too stubborn to die.

The Bossman has 6 Riding and that is necessary, unfortunately, for the plated charger I allow him to ride for nostalgy reasons once in a while.

The most effective cavalry build, I would say 30 strength 12 agility 10 power strike insta-kills almost everyone and thats what you want I d say, and 4 Riding is enough for the Courser/ Sarranid. Perfect.

Less than 24 strength is stupid for a dedicated horseman. So is a hybrid. I have my Penthesileia for anti-cav maps, and the Bossman for cavalry. 


Also, 2h for cav doesnt make sense. In crpg you cant use 2hs on horseback.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Lotrix on March 11, 2011, 07:12:51 pm
Ok,and weapons? I decide to take Broad One Handed Battle Axe(cuz'i like it :X ) , heavy lance and what shield should i choose?

And...i have another problem...you say that strength is very important for an horseman,but others say that agi is more important...agi or str? someone with a lot of experience in horsemen tell me pls?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Furax on March 11, 2011, 07:59:26 pm
I would defiently go higher on agi than str for a dedicated cavalry, because a dedicated cavalry will spend more time on his horse than off, therefore high riding is vital. Speed bonus eats powerstrike alive.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Lotrix on March 12, 2011, 09:54:49 am
What shield should I choose?The best is huscarl shield...but ofc it doesnt work on horse...so?
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Elio on March 12, 2011, 12:08:23 pm
Quote from: Lotrix on March 12, 2011, 09:54:49 am
What shield should I choose?The best is huscarl shield...but ofc it doesnt work on horse...so?


For me the best shield for (Light) Cavalry is Heavy Heater Shield (4346 gold).

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 (http://cme.comoj.com/img/items/large/itm_tab_shield_heater_d.png)

The best compromise IMO to fight on horseback as on foot.

Require "only" 3, but I recommend having 4 or 5 shield skill


Speed rating : 87 // You can start with simple "light" Heater Shield with 90 speed rating (1900 gold)
Resistance : 19
Hit points : 305
Requirement : 3
Weight : 7.5
Shield width : 22
Shield height : 50 // when size of Huscarl's Round Shield is 43

Price : 4346 // Against 6458 for Huscarl's


For more speed and when there are not many archers, and that I can take cover quickly :

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: naduril on March 12, 2011, 04:11:29 pm
My sole charachter is cav since the beginning.
For cavalry agility is more important than strength.
I agree with Fluffy_Muffin and Elio , the best choice is 18/18.
I use next build:

I am 30lvl, 2 or 4 skill points turned into Attribute Points

Strength 18
Agility 19

Power Strike   6   
Shield   4   // Elite Cavalry Shield
Athletics   5   
Riding   6   // steppe horse/ Sarranid Horse
Weapon master *   6

Polearm   154 // Heavy lance, hafted blade/elegant poleaxe
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Furax on March 12, 2011, 09:45:38 pm
Il post my uber secret awesome cav build:

5 Power strike
2 Shield
8 Riding
8 Weapon master

Go pure polearm and lance the shit out of people, or instead of 2 shield, go 2 horse archery and get a crossbow, this way you wont have to run away like a bitch everytime you encounter a horse archer(or ride armored overpriced horse and you can giggle at horse archers taking 1/20 damage on your horse)
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Penitent on March 21, 2011, 08:18:14 pm
Quote from: naduril on March 12, 2011, 04:11:29 pm
I am 30lvl, 2 or 4 skill points turned into Attribute Points

Strength 18
Agility 19

Power Strike   6   
Shield   4   // Elite Cavalry Shield
Athletics   5   
Riding   6   // steppe horse/ Sarranid Horse
Weapon master *   6

Polearm   154 // Heavy lance, hafted blade/elegant poleaxe

This looks cool, but does a cav build really need athletics for anything?
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Toffi on March 21, 2011, 10:14:58 pm
you could have like 18/21 or 15/24 but I would prefer first. I wouldn't use a shield.

P.S. my last build:
 
at level 30 I got:

15/24

5 ironflesh
5 powerstrike
8 riding
5 weaponmaster

A lot of skillpoints converted, but I think there's no need for shield and athletics, and for weaponmaster >5.  Some people maybe even think you don't need ironflesh at all, but I like it.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Toffi on March 22, 2011, 10:45:17 pm
Quote from: Elio on March 12, 2011, 12:08:23 pm

For me the best shield for (Light) Cavalry is Heavy Heater Shield (4346 gold).

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 (http://cme.comoj.com/img/items/large/itm_tab_shield_heater_d.png)

The best compromise IMO to fight on horseback as on foot.

Require "only" 3, but I recommend having 4 or 5 shield skill


Speed rating : 87 // You can start with simple "light" Heater Shield with 90 speed rating (1900 gold)
Resistance : 19
Hit points : 305
Requirement : 3
Weight : 7.5
Shield width : 22
Shield height : 50 // when size of Huscarl's Round Shield is 43

Price : 4346 // Against 6458 for Huscarl's


For more speed and when there are not many archers, and that I can take cover quickly :

(click to show/hide)

oh, I just read that question, well I went for the knightly heater shield, I was asking the same question on the old forum in August last year, was my first post :D And as I said I decided for the knightly heater shield. But if you are good enough, as I said in the previous thread, go without shield.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Spa_geh_tea on March 23, 2011, 07:40:08 pm
Powerful Cav/foot Build

21 str 21 agi

7ps
6(7)athl
6(7)riding

115 pole

brought to you by the KISS method.....keep it simple, stupid. Obviously you can move around some points like athletics if your not a fan of it.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Elmetiacos on March 23, 2011, 08:42:23 pm
If you want a two handed sword, perhaps try a Longsword or Bastard Sword, as it can be used either one handed on a horse or two handed when you dismount. Katana would work too, but it's a bit short.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Phazey on March 23, 2011, 09:29:26 pm
Good builds in this topic.

I prefer a 18 / 18:
6 ps
4 shield
6 athl
6 riding
6 wm

or a 15 / 21 with
5 ps 
4 shield 
7 atl
7 riding
wm 6
(... or 6 atl, 7 riding, wm 7 or 6 atl, 7 riding, wm 7... depends on what you prefer.)

I just really like using the huscarl shield on foot, hence the shield 4. When leveling, i often go for agility first so i can get to riding 3 fast. Oh and: a higher riding skill is really worth it.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Michael on March 23, 2011, 11:13:46 pm
I think I made my decision.

Once the Bossman reaches level 31, I will allow him to retire, heirloom his Light Lance, and go for 12 Agility 4 Riding 4 Weapon Master all wpf in Polearms of course and the rest full strength and power strike. Of course this wont be a duelist char. But the goal is to 1-stab everyone, be it with Lance or Pike. Atm I have 8 power strike and I want MOAR.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: EliteDragon on March 24, 2011, 12:46:50 am
Quote from: Furax on March 12, 2011, 09:45:38 pm
Il post my uber secret awesome cav build:

5 Power strike
2 Shield
8 Riding
8 Weapon master

Go pure polearm and lance the shit out of people, or instead of 2 shield, go 2 horse archery and get a crossbow, this way you wont have to run away like a bitch everytime you encounter a horse archer(or ride armored overpriced horse and you can giggle at horse archers taking 1/20 damage on your horse)

This is what I'm using also. My clanmates have also tried this build and it works great for them.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: TommyHu on March 27, 2011, 12:41:58 am
Level 30

Strength   17   
Agility   21   

One Handed   86   [3 WPF cost] 
Polearm   150   [10 WPF cost]

Power Strike   5   
Shield   3   
Athletics   5   
Riding   5      
Weapon master *   7

at 31 gonna have 18 str, 6 ps, and not retire anymore.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Dioxete on March 29, 2011, 01:32:38 am
i'm thinking about trying this build

Strength: 6
Agility: 30
Hit points: 41
Converted: 2
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 2
Shield: 0
Athletics: 7
Riding: 10
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 10





Or 33 agi without athletics, it's kind of rickroll this build, but could be funny xD anyone tried this one?
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Kophka on March 29, 2011, 01:49:15 am
Here's my cav build :
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    * Strength: 15
    * Agility: 21
    * Hit points: 60

    * Converted: 2
    * Ironflesh: 5
    * Power Strike: 5
    * Shield: 3
    * Athletics: 4
    * Riding: 7
    * Weapon Master: 5

    * One Handed: 115
    * Polearm: 110

It's a very versatile foot/cav build, all around strong. Pair it with a good reach 1 hander/shield/ and lance.
On gear selection, I tend to stick with themes myself, and there are plenty to choose from. If you are playing a  W. European horsemen, the Knightly Heater paired with a Arming style sword look really good. If an E. European flavor is more your style, a Knightly Kite Shield (or regular Kite!) paired with a Nordic style sword look awesome. Eastern style armor looks really good with an Elite Cavalry shield and Sarranid Sword or Scimitar. Good luck with it, cavalry is THE most fun class to play in my opinion.  :D
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Bonze on March 29, 2011, 03:14:40 am
Level 28 atm
hybrid Lance/ 1H Cav build :mrgreen:


Ironflesh 0 
Power Strike (7 with  lvl 29)
Shield 2  (+2 ? with lvl  31)
Athletics 3  (+2 ? with lvl  31)
Riding 6 
Horse Archery 0 
Power Draw 0  (+2 ? with lvl  31)
Power Throw 0  (+2 ? with lvl  31)
Weapon master * 2 (+2 ?with lvl 31)

polearm/1H wpf around ~ 100

Heavy Courser
Heavy Sarranid Horse
Tempered Nordic Champion's Sword

My  first lvl 31 build 

Ironflesh 0 
Power Strike 8
Shield 2 
Athletics 2 <--- lol
Riding 6 
Horse Archery 0 
Power Draw 0 
Power Throw 0 
Weapon master * 2

polearm/1H wpf around ~ 100

this build sucks  ... not enough cav maps but  many town (siege) maps at EU 1  :rolleyes:

Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Mustikki on March 29, 2011, 12:40:21 pm
My current cavalry build:

Strength   27   
Agility   12   

One Handed   111


Ironflesh   2   
Power Strike   9   
Shield   4   
Athletics   4   
Riding   4   
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Reinhardt on March 29, 2011, 06:47:44 pm
STR: 18
AGI: 18
Converted: 2
IF: 0
PS: 6
Shield: 5
Athletics: 6
Riding: 6
WM: 6

1h Prof: 100 something (like 105)
2h Prof: 100
Pole Prof: 100


Personally, I like diversity and the ability to chose from a variety. That's why people play cRPG right? Well, this build is great with a Balance Knightly Arming sword with Knightly heater, Poking around on horseback, being infantry, shielding, two-hand mallet spamming, polearm swinging. Great build, fits me just right.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Phazey on March 29, 2011, 07:02:47 pm
Quote from: Reinhardt on March 29, 2011, 06:47:44 pm
STR: 18
AGI: 18
Converted: 2
IF: 0
PS: 6
Shield: 5
Athletics: 6
Riding: 6
WM: 6

Yep, this is also my favorite cavalry build. Only difference, i choose to restrict myself to 1h weapons, allowing me to swing nice and fast. But jep, less options.

'Cookie cutter' cav build would be 130-140ish in 1h and 100-ish in polearm, making you good with the lances and still very good with a sword when on foot.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: IG_Saint on March 29, 2011, 07:06:29 pm
How does wpf work with lances exactly, does it increase damage and speed? What about couch time or couch reset time? Is putting something like 60 points in it worth it or should I just focus on my 2 main wpfs?
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Phazey on March 29, 2011, 07:19:17 pm
I'm pretty sure even 60 points in polearm wpf makes a significant difference when lancing. Not sure about couching, but stabbing is so much easier with higher proficiency.

I think couching cooldown also improves, but i'm not 100% sure. Can someone else confirm?
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Mustikki on March 29, 2011, 08:55:08 pm
if i recall correct, the weapon proficiency is linear, adds 17.5% dmg per 100 wpf and makes swinging faster (think there are somewhere a test thread).
Couching speed doesn't get affected by wpf.
But i might have mistaken.

Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: TomMyyY on March 30, 2011, 03:45:36 am
Attributes
Available points: 0
Strength   18   
Agility   18


Skills
Available points: 0
Ironflesh   0   
Power Strike   6   
Shield   4   
Athletics   6   
Riding   6   
Horse Archery   0   
Power Draw   0   
Power Throw   1   
Weapon master *   6   

My super secret cav build with 1 (one) PT, and I never use throwing (this gen).

(click to show/hide)

Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: kongxinga on March 31, 2011, 04:29:07 pm
How are you guys surviving cav duels with such low riding? A pure anti-cav cav can go with 10 riding and thus dictate the terms of the fight. He can ride faster and make tighter turns, and my bets would be on the ride 10 guy to win the lance duel. I see a lot of ride 4-5-6 guys with good infantry support cav builds, but how do you guys deal with the pure cav duelists with those stats? Or do you pray for the city/archer box/ claustrophobic maps that negates cav duels?
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: TomMyyY on March 31, 2011, 05:39:29 pm
Do you know people who go pretty much pure riding+PS and claim to be anti-cav?

It would require a lot of converting if you still want to be able to use a heavy lance.

I really don't think 10 riding would make up for only having 3/4 PS and almost no other skills.

It's nice to be a bit more versatile and also have some athletics to be useful as infantry, since every horse below the destrier can die in 1 arrow/bolt or random throwing weapon.

Really if there are builds like this around I don't think they are that effective, since the cav players I have most problems with myself (Ujin, Oberyn) don't have builds with 10 riding AFAIK.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: kongxinga on March 31, 2011, 06:30:12 pm
The kicker is that 10 ride character doesn't need PS, as long as he can build up speed for the speed bonus. This is basically the build that goes 10 ride, convert for enough strength to wield heavy lance, any points left goes to WM for polearms. No athletics, nothing. Athletics on cav just shows you have not made up your mind about being cav anyways.

These guys are what I fear as a HA, since 10 ride can out ride most horse archers, leaving little room for mistakes, especially if 2 are working together as a team to pincer you. You either shoot him down in those few seconds, or very likey get dehorsed to die. When HA screen is down they then go own infantry support cav. After letting their team get complete cavalry superiority, they can just hang back giving enemy pedestrian duelers another thing to worry about, and back stab any that are not paying attention.

Obviously the map has to be one of the semi plausible ones that allow cav jousts and duels to be a factor, otherwise infantry support cav rules.

The build is not very good at killing crunchies, but is very good in cav fights, since speed and turning is everything. Low PS is not really a problem, especially with speed bonus since everyone rides a light horse, and most hits land on the unarmoured horse. There are a few Euro/ Russian clanners who have this build, but I am not sure whether the famous solo hotshots like oberyn uses it. 

This build was not so hot pre big patch, since the  infantry support cav on armoured horses (but most likely wearing lighter armour due to low strength) could exchange lance hits with light horses and still come out on top. Plus heavy (as in heavy horse) cav often had way more ride too, negating most of the speed advantage. Post patch it seems to have a surge in popularity.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Oberyn on April 01, 2011, 05:29:07 am
Never had more than 7 riding on the newest patch, haven't had any problems with cav duels. TomMyyY is imo a better cav duelist than I am, and not to toot my own horn but there aren't many. Just on that basis alone 10 riding isn't a prerequisite for good cav vs cav action. I don't think I've ran into many people with 10 riding tbh.
3/4 PS just isn't enough, even for cav duels. A cav duel isn't just riding at each other full tilt and killing in one blow, though it can often be that way. Most of the time there's quite a lot of maneuvering involved and I guarantee you won't be at "full speed" for most of the strikes you do land. Not to mention how utterly useless one becomes once dehorsed.
Every cav build I've ever done has been a cav/inf hybrid, and I chortle heartily at the suggestion that I avoid cav duels with "pure" horsemen.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: EliteDragon on April 01, 2011, 07:44:13 am
In my experience as a HA, those with 10 riding are the ones I go for first. They are pretty deadly, but when de-horsed they're vegetables. Since my Steppe Horse has much more maneuvering, I use that to my advantage and just make really sharp turns when they close in and aim for the horse's head.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: kongxinga on April 01, 2011, 02:24:49 pm
Thanks for the tips. I am no good player, and yes, low speed maneuvers are a big factor in cav duels, especially in maps that don't allow high speeds, but 10 ride is going to make him more maneuverable as well in low speed turning fights, but the advantage is a lot less, and PS matters a lot more then.

I keep mentioning the high speed duels because the low speed close range turning fights often ends with both participants becoming couch/lance fodder for passing cav, or pin cushions as archers take potshots at the easier and bigger targets. But PS matters a lot in those fights without much of a speed bonus.

I also try to target the ride 10s. Once you dismount them, you don't even really have to shoot them as infantry support cav will clean them up soon. In my experience you can ride on parity even if you are at a 2 ride advantage. As I have 7 ride, the ones out riding me are the pure ride 10s.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: Vibe on April 01, 2011, 02:30:21 pm
STR: 18
AGI: 18
Converted: 2
IF: 5
PS: 6
Shield: 0
Athletics: 6
Riding: 6
WM: 6

Pole Prof: Max

This is my build. All wpf to pole, no shield, instead some IF. Fantastic on a courser, fast as lightning, easy to catch infantry off-guard. Also nice on foot.
Title: Re: Cav build
Post by: AgentQ on April 01, 2011, 08:06:15 pm
As a Cav with 2.5 KD ratio, I say go with 21/15 Over 18/18.

You can get more Strength or Agi past lvl 31.

7 PS
5 riding