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Title: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Wookimonsta on March 26, 2012, 12:15:19 am
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lol
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Earthdforce on March 26, 2012, 12:16:43 am
We can never be put to rest. We don't sleep.
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Wookimonsta on March 26, 2012, 12:20:41 am
enjoy your bent sword weaboo-san
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: B3RS3RK on March 26, 2012, 12:21:54 am
And thus....The scimitar was born.
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Kafein on March 26, 2012, 12:24:45 am
Most retarded way of using a blade. Ever.

But I agree with the message.
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: SixThumbs on March 26, 2012, 02:09:37 am
I read somewhere, probably erroneously, that katanas weren't used as chopping weapons and they avoided making blade to blade contact.
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Aleskander on March 26, 2012, 03:55:50 am
I read somewhere, probably erroneously, that katanas weren't used as chopping weapons and they avoided making blade to blade contact.

This "katana" in the video is not a real katana. Katanas were 2398516239056094 times as sharp and 235783921485723908457 times as strong that shitty euro swords. It's a little known fact, but katanas are actually used for nuclear fission.
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Largg on March 26, 2012, 10:43:55 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLWzH_1eZsc&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLWzH_1eZsc&feature=relmfu)
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Vibe on March 26, 2012, 11:05:03 am
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Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Wookimonsta on March 26, 2012, 11:20:40 am
I read somewhere, probably erroneously, that katanas weren't used as chopping weapons and they avoided making blade to blade contact.

so... if the enemy has a sword... you have to ask nicely for him not to block your attacks?
don't forget to not block his swings, they might damage your pretty knife
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Materia on March 26, 2012, 11:50:05 am
Doubt. It must be some shitty copy of Katana.

Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Herkkutatti on March 26, 2012, 12:10:18 pm
Doubt. It must be some shitty copy of Katana.


This "katana" in the video is not a real katana. Katanas were 2398516239056094 times as sharp and 235783921485723908457 times as strong that shitty euro swords. It's a little known fact, but katanas are actually used for nuclear fission.
katana my old friends can't just deal with it! that is real katana and it's totally crap! remove it naow!
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: BlindGuy on March 26, 2012, 12:38:34 pm
Doubt. It must be some shitty copy of Katana.


Katana: crappy steel, crappy design dating from 1100, not good at stabbing, not as efficient of european weapons of several millenia earlier, let alone the weapons of the same time period. For almost a thousand years these were used by samurai IF THEY HAD NO OTHER CHOICE: Almost 100% of samurai were horse archers, and carried a spear or naginata (in crpg, long hafted blade).

We need realistic swords: the "longsword" we have is huge tbh, a shorter 1handed sword that can be wielded 2handed, much like the langes messer, but straight, akin to the Nordic champ sword, WAS called a Longsword for hundreds of years. More 1handers need 2handed mode, and katana needs a massive nerf to make it realistic.
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Herkkutatti on March 26, 2012, 12:43:53 pm
Make bastard- heavy bastard- and longsword 1 slot ! and put a little more price to them!!! wololo BALANCED
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Logen on March 26, 2012, 01:02:29 pm
the "longsword" we have is huge tbh, a shorter 1handed sword that can be wielded 2handed, much like the langes messer, but straight, akin to the Nordic champ sword, WAS called a Longsword for hundreds of years.
no
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Leshma on March 26, 2012, 01:25:49 pm
Nerf Katana back to 35 cut damage. Now we have proof!
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on March 26, 2012, 02:52:22 pm
http://www.thearma.org/essays/longsword-and-katana.html
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Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: BlindGuy on March 26, 2012, 03:03:44 pm
no

Well, actually, YES. A longsword doesnt have to be 1.5 metres long to be a longsword. Anything over 3 feet of blade, when its in your hand, will feel like a pretty LONG sword, with the first saxon use of the term longsword generally referring to anything not a short sword.
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Logen on March 26, 2012, 03:07:42 pm
While longsword can be a rather short weapon it doesnt mean it has to. And "longsword" that we have isnt THAT long. And it must be primarily a twohanded weapon, not a 1h.
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: BlindGuy on March 26, 2012, 03:10:44 pm
While longsword can be a rather short weapon it doesnt mean it has to. And "longsword" that we have isnt THAT long.

It is very long, considering at NO point were the magic weapons we have such as flamberge or sword of war used in a duel against a dissimilar weapon, since the ability to fight a smaller weapon in the hands on a skilled duelist is nonexistant, due to the fact that in real life we dont have wrists made of steel bands, and in real swordsmanship, the wrist does more than the arm.
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Logen on March 26, 2012, 03:14:43 pm
Its the most "typical" longsword, about a meter long. Not that big at all.
due to the fact that in real life we dont have wrists made of steel bands, and in real swordsmanship, the wrist does more than the arm.
Its not about wrists lol, and btw large swords tend to have really long grips, which makes handling them not so hard as you imagine.
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: BlindGuy on March 26, 2012, 03:22:54 pm
Its the most "typical" longsword, about a meter long. Not that big at all.Its not about wrists lol, and btw large swords tend to have really long grips, which makes handling them not so hard as you imagine.

Imagine? No.

You say a metre: You really think the "length" is representative of centimetres in this game? Check some weapon lenghts vs the height of player models....
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Logen on March 26, 2012, 03:25:43 pm
well lets say that we're playing as a rather short, 1.7m guys :)

Imagine? No.
Okay you're probably saying that you have some longsword fencing experience, but we're not talking longsword vs rapier or something like that, we're talking longsword vs a greatsword, and its not that obvious that longsword wins no matter what.
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Tyr_ on March 26, 2012, 03:29:30 pm
Weaboo power...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj3-VkbRSKQ

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Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: SixThumbs on March 26, 2012, 04:40:13 pm
This is obviously how all fights proceeded in japan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYbi7gKKvOo

Although I'm going to have to agree with whoever said they probably used spears and longer weapons more than the katana; I'm pretty sure the japanese considered the bow and arrow the highest martial form of combat. Basically, I'm assuming, they had common sense when it comes to a shoulder to shoulder battle situation that a longer reaching weapon, and firing from a range, is going to be more useful then a katana in the same situation.
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Thomek on March 26, 2012, 08:10:51 pm
the fun starts at 38 secs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lueuQu62nRQ
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Sharky on March 26, 2012, 09:23:54 pm
not expert of swords at all, but ronald lee ermey says katana is better and he's too cool to be wrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo&feature=related.
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Christo on March 26, 2012, 09:28:36 pm
not expert of swords at all, but a katana owns longswords badly here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo&feature=related

That video is full of bullshit  :lol:

"oh look, swords can cut vegetables"  :mrgreen:

Stop it at 2:12, the ice block is pre-cut for the "samurai sword" Using this term also makes it very professional and accurate.  :)

Also the longsword isn't used properly to cut against what is claimed to be "leather armor"

I'd go on and on but we pointed stuff out like this on IRC a few times, cba to re-write everything.

Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Sharky on March 26, 2012, 09:31:25 pm
That video is full of bullshit  :lol:

"oh look, swords can cut vegetables"  :mrgreen:

Stop it at 2:12, the ice block is pre-cut for the "samurai sword" Using this term also makes it very professional and accurate.  :)

Also the longsword isn't used properly to cut against what is claimed to be "leather armor"

I'd go on and on but we pointed stuff out like this on IRC a few times, cba to re-write everything.
but but we got proofs katana even beat guns! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdFmVZ0aAWo&feature=related
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: BlindGuy on March 26, 2012, 09:54:33 pm
the fun starts at 38 secs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lueuQu62nRQ


That is the same as this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ECH9bDq2PE

Only that kid in my video is more skilled tbh.

That guy in your vid Thomek would get shanked pretty fucking quick if he went for a fucking arabesque mid fight, you'd just slice him out of the air. I may well go Jav chucker next gen, I miss our late night sessions, javelin vs jarid and then short sword vs katana, all alone on the map edge :D


not expert of swords at all, but ronald lee ermey says katana is better and he's too cool to be wrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo&feature=related.

OMFG had to edit when I started it to watch that, I got as far as 35 seconds when the narrator said the technology developed at the same time! AHAHAHAHAHA! Celtic backswater tribesmen made similar steel to japanese 11th century steel 400 years BC! By the 11th century european steel so outstripped japanese steel that any realistic comparison is ridiculous:

GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD that ANY modern test is also useless since the blacksmith who makes the japanese blades is NEVER going to forge a blade with authentic japanese steel! Why would they? Its SHIT and there is VERY little of it. The iron found is japan is VERY limited, thats WHY katana's had to be lap forged, else they would be TOTALLY useless. The ancient europeans did the same thing mainly because technology had NOT progressed. 600 years BEFORE the katana was institutionalised as a japanese noble's last line of defence, in the DARK AGES of europe the northern europeans (Vikings were not a warrior ppl, they developed arts, navigation and metalwork to put the rest of europe to shame. They also settled Greenland, for all you "Global warming" believers out there) had developed steel forging to the point they were using lap and braid forging for blades, allowing fullers while maintaining blade strengh.

In the hands of a trained swordsman (Remember, European nobles also started their martial training when "knee high", and were avid fighters, none of this hollywood swing it like a club bullshit) the longsword is more than a match for the katana: It allows better piercing, is less likely to be disabled due to suction once youve stuck it in someone, if the two blades meet repeatedly the katana will start to deform and most likely break. The longsword is also double edged, and has a larger guard. The katana is....the best they came up with, it looks good, kinda works. European technology destroyed japans fuedal culture, and it came from their culture being very conservative.

Im neither scandinavian nor japanese so this isnt some weird nationalistic rant or something, but circa the year 1000, Europeans had the catapult and crossbow, the longsword and chainmail. The japanese had wooden armour....
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Digglez on March 28, 2012, 02:12:45 am
katana is a cut/slicing weapon, not CHOPPING weapon.  Proper form dictates you pull the sword back during the hit, because blade is like a razor not a meat cleaver.

but i'm surprised in the video it only bent instead of shattering
Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: djavo on March 28, 2012, 03:26:27 am
That video is full of bullshit  :lol:

"oh look, swords can cut vegetables"  :mrgreen:

Stop it at 2:12, the ice block is pre-cut for the "samurai sword" Using this term also makes it very professional and accurate.  :)

Also the longsword isn't used properly to cut against what is claimed to be "leather armor"

I'd go on and on but we pointed stuff out like this on IRC a few times, cba to re-write everything.

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Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: Largg on March 28, 2012, 11:19:01 am

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I understand your point but you're going a bit over the line there. Especially the last sentence about wooden armour of the japanese. I recommend reading this: http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_jpn_armour.html (http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_jpn_armour.html)

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No matter what you have seen or heard, Japanese armour never was made of wood (except in the case of some of the earliest cuirasses) or bamboo. The materials were leather and iron (steel in later periods), or a combination of both.

Title: Re: Finally puttin them weeaboos to rest
Post by: BlindGuy on March 29, 2012, 06:49:31 pm
Ok so WOODEN armour was a slight overstatement, and of course with being so close to china the technology of the leather and iron llamellar construction they had used since before the baby jesus would have permiated.