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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Vote on March 15, 2012, 10:47:15 am

Title: Question: items balance
Post by: Vote on March 15, 2012, 10:47:15 am
Should people who do the item balance play this mod, play different classes regulary or not?

- Broken pike/spear hit boxes and 180-360 degree thrust attack
- Ghosting (shield)
- Not registered hits for short weapons in close range
- Arabian warhorse is maybe a bit unrealistic and op with 7 points in riding
- Ranged very accurate and with big damage and high athletics, the score of jambi in other games you can get only in a jet. No counter for this.
- Shortened Military Scythe damage 39c while Military Scythe damage 32c !!! Come on is this the balance?
- Items balance in strategus is broken:
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- The most annoying is maybe the useless wpf investment because of slow game speed that make feinting mostly useless the result is boring combat with hold attacks... or jumping silly around


Why not have an alt item balance team or add more active playing people to it?
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: Vibe on March 15, 2012, 10:48:43 am
Tbh the Jambi archer score can only be done by... well Jambi
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: Vote on March 15, 2012, 10:49:50 am
Quote from: Vibe on March 15, 2012, 10:48:43 am
Tbh the Jambi archer score can only be done by... well Jambi

Shik, Gori?
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: Vibe on March 15, 2012, 10:52:54 am
Quote from: Vote on March 15, 2012, 10:49:50 am
Shik, Gori?

I only know Shik as someone who talks history too much and I don't know who Gori is.
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: Vote on March 15, 2012, 11:01:18 am
Quote from: Vibe on March 15, 2012, 10:52:54 am
I only know Shik as someone who talks history too much and I don't know who Gori is.

The druzhina sniper. Many people from poland, russia and turkey active play the mod for long time, why not open a place or two for them in balance team, this is my idea.
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 15, 2012, 12:40:39 pm
Quote from: Vibe on March 15, 2012, 10:52:54 am
I only know Shik as someone who talks history too much
/Hater
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on March 15, 2012, 12:53:17 pm
You want to tell devs what they have to play?  :rolleyes:

It is there mod and they can play whatever they want. And I think balance would still be crap even if they played another class^^


Typical, name one or two good players and balance on them.....you shouldn't talk about balance if you bring such arguments  :lol:
Archery dmg is low enough already and accuracy....well I doubt a highly trained archer couldn't hit his target over a certain range. The only crap is the snipe for heads, but hey: devs consider it as realistic or whatever :/

If you can't faint you should probably go learn it. I usually don't tell people that they should go learn to play their class, but fainting is quite easy and still works, even against good players. I'm mainly archer and only play my melee chars regularly since patch before last one due to crappy textures, but in that short time you can become a decent fighter and learn fainting.


Where is the sense in putting someone from Russia, Poland or whereever into the balance team? It's about balancing the game not about balancing nations, races or whatever :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: slimpyman on March 15, 2012, 03:11:23 pm
pikes suck. pike swinging makes them viable.  look how many people main the pike.
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: Teeth on March 15, 2012, 03:16:32 pm
Quote from: Vibe on March 15, 2012, 10:48:43 am
Tbh the Jambi archer score can only be done by... well Jambi
I always believed this, but recently I have seen others.
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 15, 2012, 03:38:33 pm
ghost shield is only thing that I think could possibly be addressed, the other issues come down to learning tactics and finding the weakness of your enemy.

Not every weapon should be completely balanced with every other weapon.  Each should have it's own strengths and weaknesses, and the players should decide what they want to utilize in their playstyle.  That's what makes this game so great...if everything is balanced so that every class and play style can 1v1 each other, the game would be even more nerfed than it is now.

Stop the nerfs!  Focus on fixing strategus!  :)  Yes, new equipment and armor is nice...(yeah! more content), but having strategus improved would be where I vote the dev's time should be concentrated on.
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: Vibe on March 15, 2012, 03:43:15 pm
Quote from: SgtTeeh on March 15, 2012, 03:16:32 pm
I always believed this, but recently I have seen others.

The only other guy I've seen close it was Hanzo. Who are these others you speak of (would like to know so I can avoid them by a mile)?
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on March 15, 2012, 03:59:33 pm
Quote from: Vote on March 15, 2012, 11:01:18 am
Many people from poland, russia and turkey active play the mod for long time, why not open a place or two for them in balance team, this is my idea.

knowing the reputation of the polish and russian community in this mod, i would leave the game if any got into the dev team  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: Renegade on March 15, 2012, 04:13:00 pm
I want my Lordly Black Armor back :(
Nerfed from top armor to crap  :mad:
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: Spawny on March 15, 2012, 04:22:12 pm
Quote from: Vibe on March 15, 2012, 03:43:15 pm
The only other guy I've seen close it was Hanzo. Who are these others you speak of (would like to know so I can avoid them by a mile)?

Gori plays siege a lot.
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 15, 2012, 04:32:44 pm
Quote from: SgtTeeh on March 15, 2012, 03:16:32 pm
I always believed this, but recently I have seen others.

Yup, NA has SaifaQc for our version, little nutjob does not play for months, comes back and does poorly with only 23 kills instead of 30 and 3 deaths instead of 1 or 2. Envious, so envious...

Regardless, there are a few cav and melee users who get those same scores more often then not.
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: Cyclopsided on March 16, 2012, 01:20:44 am
Quote from: Tears of Destiny on March 15, 2012, 04:32:44 pm
Yup, NA has SaifaQc for our version, little nutjob does not play for months, comes back and does poorly with only 23 kills instead of 30 and 3 deaths instead of 1 or 2. Envious, so envious...

Regardless, there are a few cav and melee users who get those same scores more often then not.
Saifa was pretty good. I never see him though.
Martian is a really good archer too, consistently top of the scoreboard. We haven't had any individual archers scare me like a long time ago.
Robin longstride used to be really good (still good, but not top kdr). Qaki used to be terrifying. Kesh way back when, but hey he got bad then hasn't played.
My friend frobot (uumdi's brother) was a terrifying archer when he played for like a month. I'd look over and see him overwhelmed by enemies, look back and he killed all 5 with headshots at melee distance. he GTX the game though because he didn't like dying ever.
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on March 16, 2012, 03:47:02 am
Quote from: Vote on March 15, 2012, 10:47:15 am
Should people who do the item balance play this mod, play different classes regulary or not?

- Broken pike/spear hit boxes and 180-360 degree thrust attack
- Ghosting (shield)
- Not registered hits for short weapons in close range
- Arabian warhorse is maybe a bit unrealistic and op with 7 points in riding
- Ranged very accurate and with big damage and high athletics, the score of jambi in other games you can get only in a jet. No counter for this.
- Shortened Military Scythe damage 39c while Military Scythe damage 32c !!! Come on is this the balance?
- Items balance in strategus is broken:
(click to show/hide)

- The most annoying is maybe the useless wpf investment because of slow game speed that make feinting mostly useless the result is boring combat with hold attacks... or jumping silly around


Why not have an alt item balance team or add more active playing people to it?

The strat stuff is fine. What you need is a shield crafter.
I pump out the +3 scims for 60ish and round cav shields for 20 so I can equip shielders for under 100 and horsemen for about 230 which ain't half bad.

The other stuff though is a bit poopy.
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: BlueKnight on March 17, 2012, 12:50:07 pm
Quote from: Vote on March 15, 2012, 10:47:15 am

- The most annoying is maybe the useless wpf investment because of slow game speed that make feinting mostly useless the result is boring combat with hold attacks... or jumping silly around


Sometimes fighting with good guy takes like a minute and the result of the duel is when his teammates appear and gang you... It seems to be more and more gang-based to win a round.
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: BADPLAYERold on March 17, 2012, 10:38:02 pm
Quote from: Marathon on March 16, 2012, 01:20:44 am
Saifa was pretty good. I never see him though.
Martian is a really good archer too, consistently top of the scoreboard. We haven't had any individual archers scare me like a long time ago.
Robin longstride used to be really good (still good, but not top kdr). Qaki used to be terrifying. Kesh way back when, but hey he got bad then hasn't played.
My friend frobot (uumdi's brother) was a terrifying archer when he played for like a month. I'd look over and see him overwhelmed by enemies, look back and he killed all 5 with headshots at melee distance. he GTX the game though because he didn't like dying ever.

damatacus is better than all of them put together.
Title: Re: Question: items balance
Post by: isatis on March 17, 2012, 11:35:15 pm
Hirlok is zhe best!

maybe not big K:Dr but achieving good score with over than 200 ping is awesome! I couldn't imagine him with like 40 ping... scary!

but on balance : it need some little thing, but in all it's good

also on horse : I used an arabian with 10 riding that's OP, but the sumpter was OP with 10 riding soooo

and on strat : go in one battle with no shieldy... try to survive the arrow storm!