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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: FRANK_THE_TANK on March 12, 2012, 05:09:33 am
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I was thinking 50% but that might be too high.
If you need a realism angle because you are crazy then its basically you bracing for the impact and taking the fall properly. You should still get slammed to the ground and be kill able but it should be so damn insane. I'm rolling a high agi shielder at the moment and 3 horse bumps from a war horse kills me 100% of the time. Armour socks up horse bump damage so why doesn't a shield?
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disclaimer, I am a 16 generation shielder...
i have a feeling that a shield would only magnify the impact from a horse, your shield absorbing even more/ALL of the kinetic energy than if you were grazed or pushed out of the way by a leg
But as a 1h cav myself, I tend to avoid speedy agi guys due to how easily they can dodge and the amount of damage they can do to my horse. Assume a more threatening posture and the cav will avoid you if they are smart
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I have a better idea, just nerf bump damage from horses. :mrgreen:
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Bumps don't do much damage if you're wearing any half-decent armor. It does kind of make sense though since shielders are easier to knockdown from my experience fiddling with cav, but doesn't seem like much of a big deal.
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disclaimer, I am a 16 generation shielder...
i have a feeling that a shield would only magnify the impact from a horse, your shield absorbing even more/ALL of the kinetic energy than if you were grazed or pushed out of the way by a leg
But as a 1h cav myself, I tend to avoid speedy agi guys due to how easily they can dodge and the amount of damage they can do to my horse. Assume a more threatening posture and the cav will avoid you if they are smart
No because without it all of that kinetic energy would be focused on a single point, where with the shield it is spread out over a wider area and the energy is imparted to the entire body and not just your knee or collarbone.
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Inb4 Alex the drragon claiming bumps do no damage
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No because without it all of that kinetic energy would be focused on a single point, where with the shield it is spread out over a wider area and the energy is imparted to the entire body and not just your knee or collarbone.
Take a water lemon and hold it in front of your body, tell someone to kick or punch the water lemon hard, you will feel the pain.
If you were holding a shield against a horse bump, when the horse bump you. Because of the impact from horse charge your shield might spam to your face, for example if you were using a steel shield , imagine if a steel shield bam into your face as if you are holding it.
Inb4 Alex the drragon claiming bumps do no damage
I have alot of riding and my bump can do some serious damage. :)
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Eh if you got trampled by a horse in real life you would be alot more hurt then you are in this game, people have been killed by being trampled instead of being slightly hurt like in this game. As far as the sheild thing, getting hit wiht a sheild on/up would hurt you alot more than being hit without it, although wearing armor would help. The sheild would slam into your face, knocking you out or killing you or atelast breaking your nose. Depending on how your arm is fasten to the sheild it would also break your arm. Being hit with a sheild is basically like being hit with the same force as a horse except the horse is made of steel or very hard wood.
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Oh right! So everyone who is using a shield should get hit in the face and die from their own shield whenever a Big Ass PoleArm is swung into it! Because all of that energy is transferred to the shield and then directly to the person behind it! You better inform the Dev's of that right quick! :lol:
To the person who thinks that armor next to your skin will absorb more than a shield that has about a foot of give to absorb momentum, you need to rethink your thoughts.
Here's an experiment for you.
Take a pencil and jab it into your leg with 5 lbs of force.
Now take the flat of a board and hit your leg with the same amount of force.
Which did you prefer? Which hurt you?
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a shield might reduce the damage, but pretty much guarantees you get knocked over
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Oh right! So everyone who is using a shield should get hit in the face and die from their own shield whenever a Big Ass PoleArm is swung into it! Because all of that energy is transferred to the shield and then directly to the person behind it! You better inform the Dev's of that right quick! :lol:
To the person who thinks that armor next to your skin will absorb more than a shield that has about a foot of give to absorb momentum, you need to rethink your thoughts.
Here's an experiment for you.
Take a pencil and jab it into your leg with 5 lbs of force.
Now take the flat of a board and hit your leg with the same amount of force.
Which did you prefer? Which hurt you?
Someone hitting you with a pole arm does not deliver anywhere near, not even close to as much force as a horse trampling you. And given your logic i guess you believe that football/hockey pads do not do anything. Also i did not know that a horse was a pencil, or that a horse hitting you is equal to 5 pounds of force, thank you for that. A 2,000 pound horse hitting you at 40mph is alot more force than a 20 pound weapon hitting you at a relatively low speed.
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I dont think physics wing of science was invented yet when Granpappy was in high school
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I dont think physics wing of science was invented yet when Granpappy was in high school
Please, never bring up an argument based on physics, your understanding seems to be lacking.
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a shield might reduce the damage, but pretty much guarantees you get knocked over
This argument isn't over whether they would get knocked down. It is about the damage taken. Seeing as you understand that a shield will reduce the damage taken, it must be that GrannPappy invented the physics wing.
What is a joke is someone thinking that holding a shield between you and the horse would cause MORE damage to you. :rolleyes:
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This argument isn't over whether they would get knocked down. It is about the damage taken. Seeing as you understand that a shield will reduce the damage taken, it must be that GrannPappy invented the physics wing.
What is a joke is someone thinking that holding a shield between you and the horse would cause MORE damage to you. :rolleyes:
This thread is about damage done to someone being reduced by 50% because they have their shield up, which is completely retarded. It reminds me of those cold war videos that tell you if you duck and cover under your desk you will be safe from a nuclear bomb. Shield or no shield you get hurt badly, and with a shield it can be slammed into your face or it can break you arm as i already stated doing more damage to you.
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This thread is about damage done to someone being reduced by 50% because they have their shield up, which is completely retarded. It reminds me of those cold war videos that tell you if you duck and cover under your desk you will be safe from a nuclear bomb. Shield or no shield you get hurt badly, and with a shield it can be slammed into your face or it can break you arm as i already stated doing more damage to you.
Oh wait! I get to use your own argumentative style against you now!
Ahem! "I did not know that having a horse hit you was like having your body blasted by a nuclear shock wave, fireball and radiation!"
Once again. Energy imparted on impact is the same. Except with a shield the energy is diffused across the entire body. Without it, all of that energy is imparted to ONLY the area hit, ie, your knees, your shoulder, your face, your arm. All of which would shatter from the same impact that an entire body can absorb and shrug off when diffused by a shield. If you can't get that concept, we are done.
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The main problem as far as I'm concerned is that armour reduces damage from horse bumps by a lot. Which doesn't make sense. I can understand armour proecting you from a strikes blah blah blah that all makes perfect sense. But getting hurt by being thrown violently to the ground by a massive animal is something else all together. Horse bump damage needs to be reduced and needs to bypass armour rating.
Also on a personal note. I've been run over 3 times by cars and I've been lucky enough to come out of all of them with no injuries. One car ran me over when I was 6 while I was crossing the road, it was doing about 50kmph. I got thrown through the air and landed on my knees and some how only got scratches on my knees. The second time I was about 10 and a car came up behind me while I was on my bike and ran me over, I got hit by the bumper and thrown over my bike as it got sucked under the car and destroyed. I cat rolled the landing and didn't get hurt at all. The 3rd time I was riding down a hill when I was 15 and a car drove out of its drive way very quickly (the drive way ran almost parralel to the street so the car came straight out on to the street facing me) and got onto the road and was doing maybe 20 when I slammed into the front of it and bounced of the windscreen, again I didn't get hurt.
Now admitedly that was all luck, I broke my left arm in a fist fight and blew the cartalige out on my left knee falling off a bike going about 5kmph. And it proves very little, but it does demonstrate that being thrown about doesn't = DOOM.
Also the point about the shield isn't that the SHIELD is reducing the damage, the idea is that your facing into the impact, bracing and then taking the fall properly. Crushing some doof running away should deliver more damage than hitting some one thats ready for it.
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Oh wait! I get to use your own argumentative style against you now!
Ahem! "I did not know that having a horse hit you was like having your body blasted by a nuclear shock wave, fireball and radiation!"
Once again. Energy imparted on impact is the same. Except with a shield the energy is diffused across the entire body. Without it, all of that energy is imparted to ONLY the area hit, ie, your knees, your shoulder, your face, your arm. All of which would shatter from the same impact that an entire body can absorb and shrug off when diffused by a shield. If you can't get that concept, we are done.
If your trying to make that argument, the surface area of a sheild is less than that of your body, so the force is being displaced less when you have a sheild up meaning you would get hit harder. Technically it doesnt even matter, you get hit the sheild will be driven into your body and your body will still take the full brunt of the impact so the surface area that the force is being displaced over is still the same, the sheild will not displace any of the force. It would only be decplaed if you could actually hold the sheild up against the force of the horse, which you can not, and again even if you could you would just be getting hit even harder. And phyiscs does not take account for density in the Newtons = mass * acceleration, but it tends to hold true that an object that has alot of mass is also very dense, and a horse is dense, but it is not as dense as a steel sheild that would be slammed into your face, so you would take even more damage than physics might tell you, its still a shit ton either way.
Also all plate/chain mail armor had leather padding on the inside, making the armor function similar to football pads, which do in fact work in cushioning the blow, which is why armor reduces the damage taken when being hit by a horse. The devs are smart people and they know there stuff when it comes to this. If you think that you are right and they are wrong thats just arrogance.
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This is upsetting me. Listen to Rumblood, he's the only one that's making sense :\
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So what about padded leather?
Anyway, this isn't about REALISM. This is about game balance. The amount of damage a soft target takes vs an armored target is too extreme. With 29 Armour and 42 hp 2-3 horse bumps were killing me. When I went to 38 armour it went up to 6-8 with the same amount of health. That is just stupid. And that is what I have a problem with, the magic line in ultra light inf under which you die when people on horses look at you funny.
I don't want the damage removed but there is this line under which being naked and having Armour against horse bumps are the same bloody thing.
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The only thing cav has on me is bump damage. 99 percent of the time that is how I get killed by cav. It is cheap and retarded.
If I am going to get hurt by getting run over by a horse. The the rider should get hurt if we kill the horse while he is riding at full speed. The fall should hurt the rider.
Also I should have a chance to hit the rider off the horse without killing the horse.
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So what about padded leather?
Anyway, this isn't about REALISM. This is about game balance. The amount of damage a soft target takes vs an armored target is too extreme. With 29 Armour and 42 hp 2-3 horse bumps were killing me. When I went to 38 armour it went up to 6-8 with the same amount of health. That is just stupid. And that is what I have a problem with, the magic line in ultra light inf under which you die when people on horses look at you funny.
I don't want the damage removed but there is this line under which being naked and having Armour against horse bumps are the same bloody thing.
Going back to the analogy of football padding, in the earily 1900s they used just leather pads like leather helmets. Now they use helmets that have a hard exterior and padding on the inside as its much more effective at absoring the blow and protecting the user. Its the same thing with plate armor vs padded leather armor. More bump damage with ligher armor is just part of the standard trade of you get with heavy vs light armor in all situations. If you wanna have cheap repair bills and be able to move really fast you can wear leather armor, but you will take more damage from everythign weather it be a sword hit or being run over by a horse, its balance.
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The the rider should get hurt if we kill the horse while he is riding at full speed.
Also I should have a chance to hit the rider off the horse without killing the horse.
Both are already possible. quit complaining
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He means when you jump the horse with your shield up.
TBH I always thought it would be cool that if when I jumped over other cav I could clobber them off there horse with my horse.
Perhaps this http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,26982.0.html could be merged with this hate of agi chars being bumped off. Reduce the damage taken from falls and horse bumps.