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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: RibaldRon on February 24, 2012, 08:57:05 pm
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I just have to ask - why are there so many bad duels?
Do people seriously care about their KDR on a duel server?
I'm talking about people who rush you and kick/slash your face as soon as the duel starts,(which is actually against the rules, right?) people who "practice" polestagger, and of course MAUL TRAINING!!
Isn't the idea to actually learn how to better play and not just slaughter everyone?
Personally I will fight anyone/everyone, even a shielder when I've got a pike, but it's a little sad when Mr. 35-0 actually runs to the spawns to try to duel & kill newbies repeatedly. (Just witnessed somebody kill a person about two dozen times, all they did was try to block, never attempted a swing. They sorely needed the block practice, but of course, the guy was using a maul... so they often got knocked down/killed on a correct block.)
And before you say anything, no, I'm not really bothered by this. I still manage to block some hits and hit these guys before the polestagger/knockdown kill begins. Unless they chase me down before the duel starts and spam me to death, though I have beaten a few people who tried doing that before... I just don't understand the mentality.
Edit: Oh, yeah, and unless I was being trolled do people seriously have DUELING builds so that they can do better on the duel server.. ???
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Some people take that shit seriously (their score in the duel server). If you're only trying to get better than who cares what other people are doing...don't duel them then.
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Edit: Oh, yeah, and unless I was being trolled do people seriously have DUELING builds so that they can do better on the duel server.. ???
One of my alts is a "duelist" build with HBS/Two Handed Sword in mind, but honestly I CBA to duel in cRPG because it's boring/slow/an endurance match, and everyone wears their heirloomed butt armor for duelies. Anyway, people who rush up on you like that (which is against the rules, you're right) and kill poor noobies in the duel while wearing full plate with a Great Maul are the twisted, black heart of the module embodied.
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I mainly don't play duel anymore because of how many face rushers there are (or the guy who pulled a crossbow halfway into the fight), unless it is training with clanners or people I know.
Easier to practice on Siege my blocking skills, then polish them on Battle.
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It's actually interesting to train against those "real battle" threats like CT, polestagger or even cavalry. But yeah don't duel the guys that just crutch on one hardly skill-dependant feature. There are maulers that go to the duel server to improve, but those are admittedly not the majority.
If you want to train something in particular, talk about it with other duellists. There are often people that wish to train kicking/chamberblocks or unusual weapons.
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This is a good thing, because as a shielder I like practicing against maulers! The more challenging the duel, the better.
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Maybe its not their fault they are slaughtering everyone, and does it matter really? People can decline the requests anyways, but they might see it as good practise to duel someone better than them or someone with a special kind of weapon.
I dont go the duel server much, personally i find duels that occur in battle far more exciting.
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All i ever do on the duels on the duels these days is practice chamberblocking in duels with a miaodao, generally in light armor, so yeah, fuck those try-hards.
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we're talking NA here, right?
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we're talking NA here, right?
Well even though the OP is NA, his description matches with EU duel servers, so I guess the differences are slim.
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My experience is roughly this :
5% whatamIdoinghere
15% uber
20% peasants/noobs
50% normal people
7% LOLIGOTBLACKARMORANDGREATMAULFUANDISTILLNEEDTOFACEHUGBEFORETHEDUELBEGINS
3% yeahnvmtherulesIrunawayandshootyouinaduel
I guess yours isn't very far from it, right ?
yes, not very far I guess. Though 7% seems much too high and OP sounds like he has even more in mind. and those 3% I never saw.
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mh, I have other experiences then.
My experience is roughly this :
5% whatamIdoinghere
15% uber
20% peasants/noobs
50% normal people
7% LOLIGOTBLACKARMORANDGREATMAULFUANDISTILLNEEDTOFACEHUGBEFORETHEDUELBEGINS
3% yeahnvmtherulesIrunawayandshootyouinaduel
I guess yours isn't very far from it, right ?
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?? wut? never mind, fail :D
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I used to do that a few times when I was new to crpg, since I thought it was similar to fighting game countdowns. Chances are, they just aren't aware and even if they are, politely pointing it out will help.
I don't mind it personally. I do get a little annoyed at getting hit during the countdown assuming the swing won't hit.
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Hmm well usually I just don't care if someone plays it dirty in duels. Attacking me while countdown doesn't bother me since it already gives me some information about my opponent's style. Knockdown and slashing/kicking while I'm on the ground is not problem either if it is not a competition or something. However there is one thing that bothers me: The people who turn around and start running away :O. I mean what is the point to duel if you just run away and "unexpectedly" turn around and hit me with the slash you've been holding for half a minute while I chased you? This is common with wannabe ninjas who are new to the game. When this happens I usually just stand still and be passive or just cancel the duel because I gain nothing from such duels.
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kiss me
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My experiences are actually on both NA and EU servers, though they seem to be worse on EU servers (I only duel before strat matches)
I can totally understand people needing to train with weapons that happen to have polestagger, or knockdown, and/or crushthrough, but there are a handful of players who just duel to win at any cost, many of whom do not actually do very well on Battle/Siege (where there's an actual team to support, see: Chambering) and I'm trying to understand WHY.
And again I am not really bothered by this. After a few rounds of "Whoops, I got hit a single time, guess I've got to just stand here while he hits me five more times!" I get the message and stop dueling those people, though they often still try to duel me. As I said I will basically just duel anybody, you fight any kind of opponent on the other servers, but it seems a lot of people use dirty tactics which are only regularly encountered on duel servers.
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kiss me
HATE ME!
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(I only duel before strat matches)
Oh, that explains a lot. As soon as the server fills up because of an upcoming strat battle I leave asap.
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On the one hand it annoys me when people break the rules of engagement by not giving the other player space before the start of the duel.
Other than that though I feel like it's free game. It's lame when someone puts on a shit-ton of heavy armor or changes their usual set-up for the duel server, but if they generally use heavy armor in battle, why wouldn't they do the same in duel? Same with stuff like crushthrough/ranged/cav... even if they use "cheap" weapons it's all about the practice.
IMO the only things worse than someone who face hugs are the players who bitch about 'fairness' and 'cheapness', who whine when they lose and gloat when they win, and the players who demand the other player change their style before accepting a duel... those are the real douche bags.
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On the one hand it annoys me when people break the rules of engagement by not giving the other player space before the start of the duel.
Other than that though I feel like it's free game. It's lame when someone puts on a shit-ton of heavy armor or changes their usual set-up for the duel server, but if they generally use heavy armor in battle, why wouldn't they do the same in duel? Same with stuff like crushthrough/ranged/cav... even if they use "cheap" weapons it's all about the practice.
IMO the only things worse than someone who face hugs are the players who bitch about 'fairness' and 'cheapness', who whine when they lose and gloat when they win, and the players who demand the other player change their style before accepting a duel... those are the real douche bags.
Indeed. I like when I face a dueler who tries to do everything to win me because that is the best training there is. The thing isn't going to be any different in battle server 1 vs 1 and all tricks are allowed if it is done with normal game mechanics and not cheating. I duel basically anyone but I like to duel with the best ones. I don't care about my duelserver k/d. Fuck that shit. I'm there to learn different styles that other people have, not to make my epeen bigger. I duel even the newcomers and try to teach them to manual block and maybe give them some tips but I can't stand it when someone just starts running and avoiding me like that. I don't mind backpedaling and range control, but turning your back on me and running away is getting to my nerves. You can do it, but you can be pretty sure I won't duel you after I've finished you.
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on a side note, I'd love to get more practice against maul-users on duel server. they seem to get more and better in battle again.
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Why would any1 care if a peasant dies 35 times to another guy on a duel server? No1's forcing that peasant to accept the duel so if they want to do it, it's up to them.
As for face hugging, attacking before duel starts im going to be enforcing this rule on eu3 whenever im on.
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I like to help fellow noobs. It's obvious when someone is new and so I just block and then hold swings and make sure they get blocks up for practice. It's sad to see noobs get demolished by some 2h feinting them and raping their faces off.
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When I'm bored I duel, and when I'm bored I face rush because I don't really think and just go into brain dead instincts mode.
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Keep in mind before a strat battle you get a alot of people who don't normally duel. So you see a lot of "douches" who are really just duel noobs.
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I'm usually on duel nowadays to practice with ninjas. But I sometimes join just for fun. I'm(me, not my character) just so slow nowadays it's unbearable and makes me sad.
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I duel with a Swiss Halberd these days but I always feel like a nuisance. Two directional weapons are kinda annoying/boring to duel, but I just need the practice.
I don't really see a problem in what the OP describes because after all, mutual agreement to have a duel is required. If you don't want to duel someone, don't press f. Although I mostly press F at whatever I see and end up in lame duels quite a lot.
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Lol. In the last two weeks I spent around 6 or 8 hours on the duel server in total, I never saw any facehugger nor maul users.
If you want the complete story, each time I connected to the duel server, Hasul_The_Grey was there. I was unlucky and you were lucky.
Anyway, as teeth said, those people are a minor nuisance. You duel them once, they start being assholes and you never duel them again.
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The only thing I don't like on duel is when someone wants to start the fight already in your face. Anything else goes. Crossbow in the middle of a duel? Perfectly fair. Happens all the time in Battle -- if the crossbow guy can get his crossbow out and start aiming it, you aren't keeping proper pressure on him. If all he does is run away, well, I guess you know the weakness of your 0 throwing, 0 athletics, no crossbow build. I still have fond memories of the first time I dueled Lubu and killed him in literally 2 seconds by hitting him in the head with a heavy throwing axe... Subsequent duels he learned to dodge all my throwing axes and kick my ass...
I see no problem with maul training. I mean, the great maul is not an easy to use weapon. I actually think it's a pretty terrible dueling weapon. When I first tried it, I hated it and switched away from it fairly quickly. I like it now only after 2 full gens of using other two-handers. I really SHOULD go to the duel server with it because I certainly could use the practice. And it sounds like lots of newbies need to learn about blocking and great mauls... (i.e., don't do it, stab them in the face instead)
This discussion reminds me of every MMORPG duel ever -- "stop cheating! no potions!" wut. Unless we specifically agree to some conditions beforehand (perhaps to test something in particular), I see no reason why it should be anything less than "anything goes".
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My experiences are actually on both NA and EU servers, though they seem to be worse on EU servers (I only duel before strat matches)
Then they're not on the server for Duel, their just killing time by raping something before the strategus Game, what do you expect from them?